Mini 1580: EpicMafiaTime [GAME OVER]

Salamence20 · Post Post #100 (ISO) » Mon Jun 16, 2014 4:05 am

That actually weakens YOUR case, Jake.

Generic · Post Post #101 (ISO) » Mon Jun 16, 2014 4:11 am

Salamence, what it reads as is someone attempting to wifom. At least to me. And wifom off a panicked response doesn't sit right with me, and the reaction to me also felt forced.

Not Voting · Post Post #102 (ISO) » Mon Jun 16, 2014 4:17 am

VOTE: kthxbye

Nobody looks as bad as kthx IMO for that fence-sitting soft-claiming post #87.
Other on the top of my list so far are Jake for his tone and for his FP being "Sup". A "sup" FP is always scum. #ruleofmafiaandoflife Don't like Mir for pushing without voting.

TN to me looked more like inexperience in trying to respond to HC rather than scum. Fairly null. Generic has gotten better after his slippery-slope unlogic in post #34.

People I like so far are Boo, Sal, Red, and HC.

Jake from State Farm · Post Post #103 (ISO) » Mon Jun 16, 2014 4:30 am

If you are town sal I'm really fucking pissed at you. I'm hoping you are scum cause there's nothing you have done that looks town and you claimed scum the moment you retracted your miller claim. Town should never lie and now I have to death tunnel you for the remainder of the game instead of looking for scum.

RedCoyote · Post Post #104 (ISO) » Mon Jun 16, 2014 4:32 am

Okay, I tried to go back and look over a couple of comparable mini-sized games Bookitty was in for the purposes of helping me decide whether she's more likely to act as agreeable and wagon-minded as she is here. I found it extremely odd that she'd completely discount her own independent strongest scumread in favor of making a wagon slightly larger on a lesser scumread before her vote (on tn) had any chance to affect the game... but Boo seemingly always replaces into games, lol. I only found a couple where she actually started from the beginning. Plus when I start to go back and look for games I tend to get sidetracked and start reading other stuff.

In any event, I'll take Boo's word for it that she's not being obstensible in voting Mirhawk, but that she actually wanted to pressure him.

Bookitty 45 wrote:Mafia is a game of consensus: agree or disagree?

Absolutely. But not on page 2. Not at the start of a game. Not when there are players that still haven't even posted yet. That's overkill, I'd contend. My gut wants to call you out on that, but I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt. I hope I don't regret that.

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Mirhawk 47 wrote:Is this a serious question? Miller would be a terrible day one claim.

That's debatable, but given that he has since retracted it, both of our points are moot.

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tn 48 wrote:You didn't have to prompt me; I was in the middle of writing the response when you posted.

I believe this, and it makes me more skeptical of HC than not, to tell you the truth.

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Jake 52 wrote:@red. Please I'm on my phone most of the time. The black spoilers I won't be able to read so can u use the other spoilers?

Noted. It wasn't anything important, btw.

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HC 53 wrote:I didn't look at the time stamps.

I don't buy this, HC. I think this is a flat out lie. You mean to tell me you posted questions to tn at 11:27 PM, he answered an unreleated question at 11:28 PM, you called him out for not answering your questions at 11:31 PM, and you didn't look at the time? You didn't realize that it had only been ~4 minutes since you asked him the questions? The questions you specifically told him you wanted him to "think about"?

I kind of dismissed it as overanxious at first, but now I'm seriously concerned with you trying to backtrack here.

VOTE: Haschel Cedricson

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Generic, your 54 is pretty poorly delivered. Please don't take this the wrong way as I mean this as constructively and non-offensively as possible, but try to be more comprehensible in the future. I have a difficult time following what you are saying. Slow down and take the time to forumlate your thoughts and organize them well, please.

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Mirhawk 56 wrote:I am not very familiar with millers so I wouldn't know what the accepted play is, but it seems to me that claiming miller is pretty much a guaranteed mislynch as town generally can't take the chance that you're scum fakeclaiming, whereas if you keep it to yourself it might never come up basically making you a VT with a bit of a disadvantage. It comes to being either a guaranteed mislynch or a possible one.

There's no need for a policy debate in this game given that the claim has since been retracted, but suffice it to say that is not the prevailing opinion at MS. If you wish to know more about the politics surrounding miller play, I suggest you visit the Mafia Discussion forum and make a thread or look through older threads.

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tn 60 wrote:Sal is mislynch bait as-is, assuming he's town.

No such thing, and these two statements contradict even if there was such a thing.

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Jake 65 wrote:@tn - Sal isn't lynchbait. He's a very manipulative person who knows how to gambit as scum to get town read.

Agreed. Sal is not to be underestimated.

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Sal 67 wrote:And secondly, what would you say if I told you I see TN reminds me of Rapidcanyon?

I thought rapidcanyon was an alt of Regfan?

Sal 67 wrote:Who is more scummy at this point? TN or Mir?

Mirhawk, but neither of them are scumreads of mine at the moment.

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Mirhawk 81 wrote:Why are you switching your vote off me? Sal's case is based off me making a soft scumclaim on him, not my experience with millers.

This is townposting.

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tn 82 wrote:I have a somewhat negative opinion of sal based on a current game.

Don't talk about ongoing games. I'll sic the mod on you if you do it again.

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Jake 95 wrote:explain please, cause I don't see it

His miller claim was cute and gave us something to work with, wouldn't you agree?

Apparently you have taken it personally however, as evidenced by 96. Take a chill pill, brother.

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Sal 97 wrote:At this point, if I was MOD-CONFIRMED he would still ask this question.

Lol.

Okay, one of you kids is going to need to be the bigger man and let this game be an island. I don't care if y'all want to have a slapfight elsewhere on the forums, but I don't want my game dragged down due to this crap. Don't let this escalate because I could easily see it doing that. To put it bluntly, I don't care who has the bigger dick.

Jake from State Farm · Post Post #105 (ISO) » Mon Jun 16, 2014 4:34 am

I'm not changing my vote until he is dead or mod confirmed town. So yeah...

RedCoyote · Post Post #106 (ISO) » Mon Jun 16, 2014 4:37 am

Play the game, Jake. You're acting childish.

Not Voting · Post Post #107 (ISO) » Mon Jun 16, 2014 4:38 am

In post 106, RedCoyote wrote:Play the game, Jake. You're acting childish.

Or at least actively scumhunt, give reads, and do more than just tunnel.

Jake from State Farm · Post Post #108 (ISO) » Mon Jun 16, 2014 4:43 am

See people who know me know I hate miller claims, I hate lying, and I hate lurking. If people do these things I pretty much death tunnel. Scum sal knows to use this to his advantage. Cause we will clog this thread for pages and it will result in neither of is getting lynched and anything I say will just get ignored.

I'm a very competent player. My new play style has actually been very effective in catching scum also. You won't get that play from me with this bullshit on the table so we have 4 options.

1. I replace out. ( not happening)
2. Lynch Sal ( optimal)
3. Lynch me ( not recommended )
4. Leave us both alive to clog the thread ( definitely not optimal)

P.edit - I am playing the game actually. There was NO TOWN MOTIVATION for his claim & retraction. There is nothing but scum motivation

Salamence20 · Post Post #109 (ISO) » Mon Jun 16, 2014 4:49 am

If Jake is not going to play and spend days attacking and threatening to spam, I call for force-replacement on the basis of post 108

If I knew Jake had a stick up his ass when I did this, I would have never done this. Jake, shut the fuck up and play the game. What do you think of kthxbye, redcoyote and his vote on HC?

Jake from State Farm · Post Post #110 (ISO) » Mon Jun 16, 2014 4:50 am

In post 100, Salamence20 wrote:That actually weakens YOUR case, Jake.

I also don't see any motivation for attacking the first person who questions Sal's claim. Town will generally be more suspicious of a miller claim IMO.

P. edit - I think you are scum though so force replacing me for pushing my top scumread is epic fail

RedCoyote · Post Post #111 (ISO) » Mon Jun 16, 2014 4:50 am

Jake 108 wrote:There was NO TOWN MOTIVATION for his claim & retraction.

Provocation is a town motivation, Jake.

Jake from State Farm · Post Post #112 (ISO) » Mon Jun 16, 2014 4:51 am

Not sure why I quoted that

Jake from State Farm · Post Post #113 (ISO) » Mon Jun 16, 2014 4:51 am

In post 111, RedCoyote wrote:
Jake 108 wrote:There was NO TOWN MOTIVATION for his claim & retraction.
Provocation is a town motivation, Jake.

Yet I've seen scum do it so no it's not

RedCoyote · Post Post #114 (ISO) » Mon Jun 16, 2014 4:53 am

In any event, I propose we ignore Jake for the interim and, if there's a vig, I'd recommend they shoot him when they have the opportunity. Until/unless he decides to not be anti-town, he's a VI that should be dealt with outside of a traditional lynch, if possible.

Salamence20 · Post Post #115 (ISO) » Mon Jun 16, 2014 4:54 am

JAKE IF I REPLACED OUT WOULD MY REPLACEMENT BE SCUM TOO?

NO BECAUSE HE IS NOT ME?

JESUS CHRIST PLAY THE FUCKING GAME AND GET YOUR HEAD OUT OF YOUR ASS. EVEN WITH A SCUMREAD ON ME THERE ARE OTHER THINGS TO DO THAN "OH SAL IS SCUM SCUM SCUM AND I REFUSE TO DO ANYTHING ELSE UNTIL HE IS LOLLYNCHED BECAUSE HE IS LYING AND SCUMMING AND MILLER"

SHUT THE FUCK UP

Jake from State Farm · Post Post #116 (ISO) » Mon Jun 16, 2014 4:58 am

In post 114, RedCoyote wrote:In any event, I propose we ignore Jake for the interim and, if there's a vig, I'd recommend they shoot him when they have the opportunity. Until/unless he decides to not be anti-town, he's a VI that should be dealt with outside of a traditional lynch, if possible.

ok

1. that is exactly what scum wants. To ignore me

2. don't you fucking call me a VI because I am not. I want an apology from you right now

@ sal - your replacement would have to convince me that I was wrong about you. YOUR PLAY suggests you are scum.

Jake from State Farm · Post Post #117 (ISO) » Mon Jun 16, 2014 5:00 am

In post 116, Jake from State Farm wrote:1. that is exactly what scum wants. for people to ignore me

damn phone, typing too fast.

I corrected it to how it should appear

Salamence20 · Post Post #118 (ISO) » Mon Jun 16, 2014 5:01 am

I am no longer responding to Jake. I am done

RedCoyote · Post Post #119 (ISO) » Mon Jun 16, 2014 5:04 am

Sal, what do you make of HC saying that he wasn't aware of the time between his questions and tn's response?

Not Voting · Post Post #120 (ISO) » Mon Jun 16, 2014 5:04 am

In post 116, Jake from State Farm wrote: @ sal - your replacement would have to convince me that I was wrong about you. YOUR PLAY suggests you are scum.

Jake you're not making sense. You're saying that Sal is def-scum for his move and can't convince you otherwise. You're going to tunnel until one of you is lynched. Thus the slot must be scum.

BUT, if he was replaced then maybe his replacement could convince you the slot isn't scum?

Jake from State Farm · Post Post #121 (ISO) » Mon Jun 16, 2014 5:07 am

It makes perfect sense. There is never 100% certainty in mafia. Only people who are 100% are scum and PRs with conclusive results.

His play makes me think he's scum. If a replacement actually played better and looked town I would reconsider my initial read. I have been convinced somebody was scum and later changed my mind

Jake from State Farm · Post Post #122 (ISO) » Mon Jun 16, 2014 5:09 am

hey red, i'm waiting for my apology

Not Voting · Post Post #123 (ISO) » Mon Jun 16, 2014 5:09 am

In post 105, Jake from State Farm wrote:I'm not changing my vote until he is dead or mod confirmed town. So yeah...

This looks like "100% certainty" to me.

Generic · Post Post #124 (ISO) » Mon Jun 16, 2014 5:09 am

Well up until this petty little squabble I was starting to enjoy the game.

Btw, red coyote, I think it was you, please don't walk around on egg shells when you feel you want to tell me I'm making hard to read posts. I'm not sure if you know my reputation for aggression or are just too polite, but I certainly am not gonna take offence to someone pointing out my posts are not conveying the points I need them to. I want my analysis and reads to be clear otherwise I may as well say fuck all.

But bear with me on the grammar, fast typing on a phone leads to auto correct making me look like a moron.

But yeah, I will be ignoring jake and Salamence until they both grow up and deal with the rest of you for now.