Mini 1,573: How Do You Want to Die? (Game over!)

[Guyett]

Guyett is now conftown

[goodmorning]

It's still Jingle and ETL. Can we be done now?

I'm going to look at interactions but I don't know if it's going to change anything.

[Guyett]

From my point of view, I'm also assuming anti is town due to his claim.

Burning_Earth

(3):

Dr Pants, ika, Chuck_Norris

goodmorning (1): HighShroomish

ika

(1): goodmorning

Kitoari

(1):

MafiaSSK

Maziek (1):

reinoe

reinoe

(1):

Burning_Earth

Not voting (5): Baezu, bubbajack8, GreyICE,

Kitoari

, Maziek

Burning_Earth

(3):

ika, Chuck_Norris, MafiaSSK

Chuck_Norris

(1):

Dr Pants

goodmorning (1): HighShroomish

ika

(1): goodmorning
Maziek (1):

reinoe

reinoe

(1):

Burning_Earth

Not voting (5): Baezu, bubbajack8,

GreyICE, Kitoari

, Maziek

Burning_Earth

(3):

ika, Chuck_Norris, MafiaSSK

Chuck_Norris

(1):

Dr Pants

GreyICE

(1): goodmorning
Maziek (1):

reinoe

reinoe

(2):

Burning_Earth

, HighShroomish
Not voting (5): Baezu, bubbajack8,

GreyICE, Kitoari

, Maziek

That first VC was on 10th of May, 3rd VC was on 12th of May. The wagon is all town. Lack of scum latching onto an easy wagon for that long implies the SG slot is prob scum

ika

(2):

Burning_Earth,

MafiaSSK

MafiaSSK

(6): goodmorning, bubbajack8, Titus, Snork, Jingle,

Guyett

Not voting (3):

Dr Pants, ika, Antihero

I don't think all scum would be on the SSK wagon... This backs up SG scum and 2 out of {goodmorning, bubbajack8, Titus, Snork, Jingle} have to be scum

Antihero

(1): Titus

Dr Pants

(3): Snork,

MafiaSSK

HighShroomish (2):

Dr Pants, ika

ika

(3): HighShroomish,

Burning_Earth

, bubbajack8
Not voting (3): goodmorning,

Kitoari, Antihero

Interesting wagon here is the IKA wagon. SG is scum on the wagon but I doubt all 3 scum are on the wagon. This means at most one of {Bubba, Jingle} are scum

Antihero

(4): Titus,

Dr Pants, ika, MafiaSSK

Dr Pants

(1):

Antihero

ika

(4): HighShroomish,

Burning_Earth

, bubbajack8, Snork
Not voting (2): goodmorning,

Kitoari

If Antihero is scum Snork is 100% conf scum. However as I am assuming anti is town this makes Titus look like scum along with SG. Last scum is probably within {Jingle, Bubba, Snork}

Antihero

(3): Titus,

MafiaSSK

, HighShroomish
HighShroomish (2):

ika, Dr Pants, Antihero

MafiaSSK

(1): goodmorning

ika

(2):

Burning_Earth

, bubbajack8
Not voting (2):

Kitoari

, Snork

Right now I'm thinking scum is SG for sure and last 2 within {Bubba, Titus, Jingle} with Bubba being the weakest scum read now.

Jingle (4):

Guyett

,

Antihero

, Titus,

Dr Pants

Not voting (5): bubbajack8, goodmorning, Jingle, Snork,

Squirrel Girl

Either Titus or Jingle (possibly both) are scum

Just adding in SG

[Guyett]

Okay, so, I'll just ignore the drama.

Someone asked me for my reasoning on Jingle...while admitting that High Shroomish looked scum. That one hurt my head for a while. Look, *at least one of* me/Jingle/Bubba is basically mod confirmed scum at this stage. I have a town read on Bubba. That's my case, and it's pretty decent. It certainly doesn't answer Anti's statement about, somehow, GM/Jingle not making sense as a team.

Also, I would like to note that Jingle continues to misrep Titus. This is scummy.

Anti asked for my reads list after saying he thought read lists were pointless. This also made my head hurt. Ignoring that, here is my list;

Town: Anti, Pants, Titus, Bubba

Mushy Middle: Snork, Guy (with Guy being the substantially stronger townread of the two)

Scum: Jingle, Goodmorning

@Titus - I don't see Jingle/Goodmorning requiring suboptimal play. I do see it involving some mild distancing.

Vote: Goodmorning

Basically because more of the confirmed town seem to agree with that one. I'm lazy, sue me.

This clears GM btw.
from my point of view having played with SG before that was a legitimate vote (or at least she thought it was). She doesn't use vote tags, or at least hasn't in any game that I've read involving her. It doesn't make sense for one scum buddy to push another to L-1 in this situation when town was kinda ready to just hammer

anyone

. Why not try push it on a townie instead and get to Lylo nice and easily.
I think Jingle is scum at this point but I'm not 100% on the last scum.... its within {titus, bubba, ETL}

[EspeciallyTheLies]

Anti I'm not lynching you today. I needed to secure my read on you.

Guyett, after yesterday, how can you seriously think I'm scum? And jingle? ?? He was the counterwagon. That SG and BE were both pushing. Both days. Hello?

I got like no sleep and I'm on my way out the door. More later.

[bubbajack8]

ETL = snork

you guys are slow

I realize that. Are they the same same person or did ETL replace Snork?

From my point of view, I'm also assuming anti is town due to his claim.

Burning_Earth

(3):

Dr Pants, ika, Chuck_Norris

goodmorning (1): HighShroomish

ika

(1): goodmorning

Kitoari

(1):

MafiaSSK

Maziek (1):

reinoe

reinoe

(1):

Burning_Earth

Not voting (5): Baezu, bubbajack8, GreyICE,

Kitoari

, Maziek

Burning_Earth

(3):

ika, Chuck_Norris, MafiaSSK

Chuck_Norris

(1):

Dr Pants

goodmorning (1): HighShroomish

ika

(1): goodmorning
Maziek (1):

reinoe

reinoe

(1):

Burning_Earth

Not voting (5): Baezu, bubbajack8,

GreyICE, Kitoari

, Maziek

Burning_Earth

(3):

ika, Chuck_Norris, MafiaSSK

Chuck_Norris

(1):

Dr Pants

GreyICE

(1): goodmorning
Maziek (1):

reinoe

reinoe

(2):

Burning_Earth

, HighShroomish
Not voting (5): Baezu, bubbajack8,

GreyICE, Kitoari

, Maziek

That first VC was on 10th of May, 3rd VC was on 12th of May. The wagon is all town. Lack of scum latching onto an easy wagon for that long implies the SG slot is prob scum

ika

(2):

Burning_Earth,

MafiaSSK

MafiaSSK

(6): goodmorning, bubbajack8, Titus, Snork, Jingle,

Guyett

Not voting (3):

Dr Pants, ika, Antihero

I don't think all scum would be on the SSK wagon... This backs up SG scum and 2 out of {goodmorning, bubbajack8, Titus, Snork, Jingle} have to be scum

Antihero

(1): Titus

Dr Pants

(3): Snork,

MafiaSSK

HighShroomish (2):

Dr Pants, ika

ika

(3): HighShroomish,

Burning_Earth

, bubbajack8
Not voting (3): goodmorning,

Kitoari, Antihero

Interesting wagon here is the IKA wagon. SG is scum on the wagon but I doubt all 3 scum are on the wagon. This means at most one of {Bubba, Jingle} are scum

Antihero

(4): Titus,

Dr Pants, ika, MafiaSSK

Dr Pants

(1):

Antihero

ika

(4): HighShroomish,

Burning_Earth

, bubbajack8, Snork
Not voting (2): goodmorning,

Kitoari

If Antihero is scum Snork is 100% conf scum. However as I am assuming anti is town this makes Titus look like scum along with SG. Last scum is probably within {Jingle, Bubba, Snork}

Antihero

(3): Titus,

MafiaSSK

, HighShroomish
HighShroomish (2):

ika, Dr Pants, Antihero

MafiaSSK

(1): goodmorning

ika

(2):

Burning_Earth

, bubbajack8
Not voting (2):

Kitoari

, Snork

Right now I'm thinking scum is SG for sure and last 2 within {Bubba, Titus, Jingle} with Bubba being the weakest scum read now.

Jingle (4):

Guyett

,

Antihero

, Titus,

Dr Pants

Not voting (5): bubbajack8, goodmorning, Jingle, Snork,

Squirrel Girl

Either Titus or Jingle (possibly both) are scum

Just adding in SG

I already did for you! Q.Q

[EspeciallyTheLies]

I replaced bubba.

Guyett/Anti/Jingle - look at VC 726.

Need to gather L-1 wagons. Someone want to do that for Jingle, gm and SG? I am busy at work and it would take me a few hours.

[EspeciallyTheLies]

goodmorning - Assume I am town. Who would your suspects be?

[EspeciallyTheLies]

VOTE COUNT

Burning_Earth (1): MafiaSSK
ika (1): Burning_Earth

MafiaSSK (3): goodmorning, bubbajack8, Titus
Titus (2): Jingle, Guyett

Not voting (4): Dr Pants, ika, Snork, Antihero

With

11

players alive, it takes

6

votes to lynch a player.

Day 2 ends in (expired on 2014-06-09 09:00:00).

[EspeciallyTheLies]

Alright, looking at the D3 VCs, one of Jingle or goodmorning is guaranteed to be scum. I think that is where we should be lynching from today for the highest possibility of success.

Everyone, please post which of the two and why. I'm going to go through gm/Jingle's ISOs right now.

[StrangerCoug]

VOTE COUNT

Jingle (1): bubbajack8
Not voting (6): Antihero, EspeciallyTheLies, goodmorning, Guyett, Jingle, Titus

With

7

players alive, it takes

5

votes to lynch a player.

Day 4 ends in (expired on 2014-07-02 21:04:12).

[EspeciallyTheLies]

Oh gee maybe because I had just finished reading page 20 and nothing more than that until now.

Which I will now go back to

UNVOTE
VOTE: IKA

Explain why I'm scum. And he reason I'm voting you is because you have failed to explain when asked multiple times. And some how I still get a wagon.

I honestly don't give a flying fuck about that claim. It's too much WIFOM for me atm.

FoS: Anti

for coming out of the blue and voting me

FoS: SSK

because Anti didn't say shit to him when all he did was vote. With no explanation.
And Pants, explain why I'm scum.
Anti, explain why I'm scum.
SSK, explain why I'm scum.
ika, explain why I'm scum.

So, I just wanted to think about where this post is coming from. At this point in the game, he's getting wagoned. If scum, what is the purpose behind voting a claimed mason? The only reason I can come up with is trying to stay off any major wagon. But it calls a lot of attention to the slot doing that, if only because of the person he's voting. If this was the case, why not vote any other "safer" slot? If he just wanted to stay off a major wagon, there were 9 other people he could have chosen. This just doesn't come across as a scum vote in the least. And then, asking everyone on his wagon to give reasoning. I do think it's easy to do as either alignment, but the subsequent posts of his in the ISO from this one are increasingly frustrated, and in each one he's continually pushing for reasoning and explanation.

He latches onto Anti from all of that, because (according to him) Anti's reasoning makes the least sense to him. He keeps pushing Anti to answer his questions. For many, many posts.

Does this look like a scum reaction? And then replacing out because he's too busy and "it wouldn't be fair"...

Answer my question please.

Answer. My. Question.

AND ANSWER MY FUCKING QUESTION.

Are you sure I'm not trying to figure out WHY people think I'm scum? Because that's what I did. The only reasoning that I've questioned is yours. Because it's crap. I'm not being apoplectic. I'm tearing at shit reasoning. Also, I "showed up at the 11th hour" because I forgot this game existed until I was prodded.

Limited commentary on ika? Oh shit that's horrible! I only gave reasoning! And why would any of that make you like him?

And now why don't you answer the other question I asked you- why did you just now point out that I got here late? Why are you avoiding answering my questions at all?


p-edit: those aren't fucking reads. They're comments, minus ika. Which was explained later.
And you failed to see the part where I said I had only read up to page 20, didn't you.
Now tell me where my posts corralate to the guide you linked.

This is also a pretty revealing post, imo. He's asking good questions and trying to pin people down, and getting frustrated at not being heard/answered.

And can you please answer my questions when I ask them instead of avoiding them until I put on caps lock?

Before I go-
I haven't been lurking. I have been busy and unaware. If you guys have been paying attention, I have told you why I haven't been able to be as active as I would like. I don't have time for much, but-
WILL NOT LYNCH
GM
I'D RATHER NOT LYNCH
Snork, Titus, Bubba
I'M OKAY TO LYNCH
B_E, Kitoari(slot?)
WOULD LIKE TO LYNCH
Pants, ika, Anti

Yeah, I really do think your claim is shit. I feel like Kitoari's absence provides scum with a very good opportunity for something like a Mason claim if Kitoari is scum.

@MOD, I REQUEST REPLACEMENT. I WILL HAVE EXTREMELY LIMITED ACCESS FOR AN INDEFINITE AMOUNT OF TIME.

I'm sorry to everyone, but it wouldn't be fair for you guys to have to contend with an inactive slot, so I might as well get it out of the way and replaced ASAP.

This post is important... I just can't figure out why yet.

Really not liking 266. Possible GM/Titus team. Possible GM/Titus/SSK. Unlikely that my reads are that good without interactions.

I actually really love this post, and the ones that precede it in the ISO. He's got an active commentary going as he catches up on the thread. Indication of alignment at this point in the ISO is null but it does add to the transparency of it.

Yup, so about halfway here.

Town can be:

Jingle
Antihero
Snork
DP

Town by association:
IKA

Null-Town:
Bubba

Null:
B_E

Needs to go drinking with me:
Guyett

Nullscum:
GM
SSK

Needs a rope:
Titus

Imma gonna quit rereading for now, but that's my reads as of p20 or thereabouts.

This is also an important post. I don't know that I like the SG slot being his dead null (but I suppose I can understand it). I really do think the SG lynch was a happy accident, you know. It didn't seem like there were any strong opinions, other than from Guyett.

The next post here is fucking gigantic and I need to sort it out (working in text editor). Posting what I have so far.

[EspeciallyTheLies]

Town can be:

Jingle- Always scum. Fucking always.
Antihero- His rage reads as genuine, and the wagon on him never had good reasons. Further, His snork towncase was well reasoned and convincing. Mostly, he has no motivation to poke and prod the way he does as scum.
Snork- Antihero said it well. No need to rehash old posts.
DP- I can see the motivation behind his posts on D1. His push on Reinoe sounds genuine. He's encouraging discussion. His mason claim makes sense. I think he got caught up in IKA's master plan on D2 (which was bad, BTW) but I definitely see what he was trying to do.

Town by association:
IKA- I honestly don't like his play. I'd vote the shit out of him if he wasn't claimed masons with someone who is town.

Null-Town:
Bubba- Bubba's a tough read to me, because his logic doesn't make sense. He feels the same as he did in Open 535, which makes me lean town. He doesn't seem to be trying to manipulate the thread, and he reads as genuine.

Null:
B_E- I have no idea what his alignment is. He could probably replace GM in my scumteam without issue, but I don't have anything that said town or scum to me.

Needs to go drinking with me:
Guyett- I'm not sure I can read Guyett. I've played with him as scum a couple times, and confbiased into a loss once while lynching him based on the slot he replaced into the other time. Snork, I need you to deal with this shit.

Nullscum:
GM

Spoiler:

- 266 pinged me in all of the wrong ways.

But it does beg the question: if you were so concerned about it then why'd you ask me to vote him?

And also bubba's question, if you please.

What do you mean?

I wanted Pants to notice that I'd asked a question, answer it, and answer yours too.

GM, glad you love me but take that out of play. You've replaced into a scumslot of mine previously and know what I can do. Why so happy when I just basically said you would be useful if town?

Haha, I don't often get called useful. Indeed, I might go so far as to say that occasionally I can be quite useless. Like those times I TvT tunneled into the ground, or those times I fucked up in LyLo.

As for knowing what you can do: Of course. But thus far you're making a lot of sense to me and I'd like to not scumread Town-you for the fifteenth time. So I'm gonna chill out a bit and ignore my gut.

If you're town, then ika and Grey Ice look bad for seeking an early hammer on town and are probably scum.

I'm not sure I see Grey sticking his neck out so far as Scum.
Then again, the rest of his play this game's been a bit lynchworthy, so...

WTF SSK

WTF

Particularly the middle seems like a big ball of "I'm nonthreatening" and "I'm not voting a scumread because I don't want to vote that player". Both of these are inherently scummy IMO. If Titus is scum, this looks a lot like GM saying I don't want to vote my partner.

I liked where the ISO's were going (not sure I could agree with them), but they petered off into discussion about Anti's claim and more empty posting much too quickly.

I could be wrong here, but I think it's the most likely.

Needs a rope:
Titus-

Spoiler: Titus is Scum!

I agree with Pants. Hammer postponed until after thorough reading which is after work meeting.

Ika y u want hammer so early?

These two are not from the same mindset. The first is fine with a hammer. The second is not.

R, with that piss poor hammer you think that all scum were on your wagon.

SSK hammered as soon as the ika counterwagon picked up steam. There's two explanations for this. The first one which SSK should have claimed with his post if town (and I'm withholding to see if he says it). The second is that SSK is scum with ika and came out of the woodwork to ensure a mislynch and give ika the opportunity to talk himself out of this.

Setting up IKA for SSK's scummy behavior. Making assumptions about SSK's motivation. Tying SSK and IKA together. She also never returned to this 'motivation SSK could claim' and instead tunnel visioned on IKA, ignoring SSK for the entirety of the next day.

Ok, a reread is in order. If scum killed GreyICE, there must have been a reason for it.

The only names I see relevant in checking GreyICE's ISO are Bubba, Burning and Antihero. It's quite a small ISO which works well to send a message, I guess... but what. Seeing interactions with Grey would be more helpful, but that means a reread with the assumption Grey was town.

Ika/SSK are probably scum and this kill is an excellent kill to divert suspicion. But wifom, it's an excellent kill to frame them too. I want to see ika's reaction while I focus on my reread.

VOTE: ika

"Analysis. My Analysis is Worthless! Vote: Not the player I'm suspicious of who just quickhammered!"

It's quite possible a good chunk were on the wagon. However, it is obvious that the scumteam that Reinoe was putting forth was wrong.

That being said Pants, I was looking for a damn good reason for ignoring obvscum behavior and doing what I want isn't it.

This is seeming like the twilight zone game. Y'all are fixated on the cheerleaders while the Gorilla just wanders around in the middle of everything.

VOTE: ika

That last second hammer looked like it was to protect ika. SSK might have drawn short straw to hammer but I want to crack ika today to get certain as to his alignment.

Really, this is getting tedious. I love the fact that you reference the Gorilla (SSK) and still don't vote for him.

God damn it... Site ate my post. I will try again tomorrow

but for ika 211 and 218 are far from fucking passive and you know it. I just am trying to break my death tunnel habit but you make it so fucking hard. I will not tunnel...

My name is Titus and I am a member of Tunnelers Anonymous. I have gone 0 games without tunneling as town....

The last sentence is incredibly manipulative. "Ignore my tunneling because I tunnel as town." You tunnel as both alignments, your defense is null as fuck.

Substance while I didn't define it like a five year old becausse I suppose you have a dictionary means anything that would logically help determine alignment. That definition doesn't change.


Ika, don't act like you never voted on a gambit. BE should have unvoted but the site was sucking. Thst being said, he does need to explain why Pants and Snork is TvT in yhe next post.

Goodmorning, please do something other than buddy me.

Goodmorning stop buddying me. I'm not going to scumread you for it, but stop doing it. Seriously, where is the paranoia? Where is the town suspicion? Why do you just dismiss GM here? It's posts like this that make me think Titus and GM are a scumteam.

i'm playing with a bunch of people who should know me pretty well, but then cram their heads up their asses and act like they don't know me at all.

This is precisely how I feel about Jingle's read on me. He has Geology trip and Upick - Suicide bomber and still gets it wrong...why?

First, I was semi right. We've played a couple of marathons together. Second, how the fuck should I know you well enough to meta read you off of a game where I confbiased my way to a loss with you scum and a game where I replaced into scum after you replaced into conftown. This seriously needs the rope.

Hi. Ika's scum now.
VOTE: ika

...alright, i'm cool with killing this now.

*gulp* I agree with this and that scares me.

VOTE: SSK

Seriously? You're afraid that your 'scumread' is voting obvscum? I know you're familiar with this concept called bussing. It's not a new thing.

SSK- I don't think I need to explain this. He's scum, and caught.

[EspeciallyTheLies]

Titus is in no way likely town (Hint: she's scum). Snork on the other hand is town as all hell. His slip with the surviving mason, his treatment of the massclaim and the fact that he's been scumhunting all game all add up to one thing: Town. Guyett is impossible for me to read, but my gut tells me he's town.

GM is probably scum with Titus: see my fucking case yesterday that everyone ignored.

That leaves one of SG/Bubba to be the remaining scum. Possibly guyett. Someone posted a case for there being at least one scum on the reinoe wagon, which would lead to the assumption of Bubba, given my knowledge of me town.

Out of curiosity is there a case on me other than Titus' misrep salad?

this isn't a scum post... at all...

[EspeciallyTheLies]

Anti, you should have roleblocked gm or titus.

Where is everyone?

Give reasoning for either Jingle or goodmorning.

Checking out gm ISO now.

[Antihero]

This clears GM btw.
from my point of view having played with SG before that was a legitimate vote (or at least she thought it was). She doesn't use vote tags, or at least hasn't in any game that I've read involving her. It doesn't make sense for one scum buddy to push another to L-1 in this situation when town was kinda ready to just hammer anyone. Why not try push it on a townie instead and get to Lylo nice and easily.
I think Jingle is scum at this point but I'm not 100% on the last scum.... its within {titus, bubba, ETL}

you're killin' me smalls

guy, you're leaving out the part where squirrel girl reached into her ass and pulled out a "townslip" as an excuse to blow up the whole wagon mere moments later. her mantra up to that point was "well, jingle and GM are scum TOGETHER", so, if anyone comes out of SG's scumflip looking better, it's

jingle

, not GM.

[Antihero]

my "raw" reads are GM+bubba. BUT

i think there's something i'm missing, though. the nightkills don't lie. realistically, it think it may be GM+*wildcard* (roughly 95/5 split it's titus/etl)

[Antihero]

Anti, you should have roleblocked gm or titus.

yep, you're right

i also should have added more palladium catalyst to that reaction i ran yesterday. i should have asked out that girl who lived down the hall from me that i liked and had a lot of deep conversations with. i should have taken advanced immunology my senior year instead of evolutionary biology.

i didn't do any of those things, though. rest assured, i'm already flagellating myself enough about it, etl.

now...
goodmorning

she was a (large) part of the failed thrust against Jingle in the latter part of yesterday. Squirrel was weirdly softballing / soft defending GM right up until the vote and that then dissipated when Squirrel took me down the rabbit hole of the townslip that never was.

plus she's really really scummy any way.

[EspeciallyTheLies]

squirrel girl reached into her ass and pulled out a "townslip" as an excuse to blow up the whole wagon mere moments later. her mantra up to that point was "well, jingle and GM are scum TOGETHER", so, if anyone comes out of SG's scumflip looking better, it's jingle, not GM.

this is really good ..

[Titus]

Alright, looking at the D3 VCs, one of Jingle or goodmorning is guaranteed to be scum. I think that is where we should be lynching from today for the highest possibility of success.

Everyone, please post which of the two and why. I'm going to go through gm/Jingle's ISOs right now.

I'm rather indifferent on which one gets lynched. Jingle is most likely to be scum, but SG's scumflip makes me question whether or not I was being as big an idiot as Antihero suggested reading content that wasn't there and that scum set out to fool me from the onset.

[Titus]

My paranoia theory from yesterday is still in play though so bleh.

I think maybe the town benefits if I shut up for awhile.

[Antihero]

nonono titus, you're here and you're a key player whether you like it or not. don't go all "derpy derp, i feel bad so i'll slink away with my tail between my legs"

[Titus]

I am managing house sale shit. My mind isn't 100% here.

I am not planning to sit idly. I just am going to chill for 24 hours.

[Antihero]

fine

just don't check out mentally

if i'm going to fester in this thread going insane and fraying my nerves, you get to do it with me. same goes for you etl.

[EspeciallyTheLies]

i'm back. its busy at work today. i didn't actually get going on gm ISO yet. I got started but just enough to quote all the posts and start reading. may be some time while i do this.. i'm fucking exhausted like you wouldn't believe. just dont rush through this day phase.