MS Fantasy Camp 2: Reaper's Tale! (Finished!)

[Plum]

Proper post to follow after the Sabbath.

[Cerulean]

I think I can change my avatar now, but I kinda like being pink.

Anyway I need to reread the game, which I will do over the weekend. I probably won't do anything before tomorrow though unless I find some energy; I'm exhausted and about to be lamosauce girl who goes to bed early on a Friday.

[Lost Butterfly]

Day 6, VC 1

Not voting - (7):

Cerulean, Plum, Nobody Special, Untrod Tripod, Flipping Awesome,

Nero Cain

, xRECKONERx

With

7

alive it takes

4

to lynch.
Deadline for Day 5:

30th of June at 3:30pm

Irish Time - countdown: (expired on 2014-06-30 10:30:56)

Plum is V/la.[/area]

[Nero Cain]

vote:Reck

[Nobody Special]

VOTE: Plum

[Cerulean]

Day 1, VC 42

Tim Howard - (3):

Zdenek

, Plum, xRECKONERx

Venmar

- (2):

chamber, Katsuki

xRECKONERx - (1):

Lady Lambdadelta

Plum - (2):

Flipping Awesome,

Cerulean

Katsuki - (10):

sangres, Shadoweh, Tim Howard, ChannelDelibird[/color], Nobody Special,

Venmar

,

Sixty

, Untrod Tripod,[/color]

Nero Cain

, Sheep Majiffy or Thor

sangres

- (1):

kanyeknowsbest

Not voting - (0):

--

With

18

alive it takes

10

to lynch.
Deadline for Day 1:

26th of April at 5pm

Irish Time - countdown: (expired on 2014-04-26 12:00:00)
CDB is V/la

[/area]

Last count of day one.

I'm just going to put these here for now. I'll do something with them after I read.

[Cerulean]

Day 1, VC 42

Tim Howard - (3):

Zdenek

, Plum, xRECKONERx

Venmar

- (2):

chamber, Katsuki

xRECKONERx - (1):

Lady Lambdadelta

Plum - (2):

Flipping Awesome,

Cerulean

Katsuki - (10):

sangres, Shadoweh, Tim Howard, ChannelDelibird[/color], Nobody Special,

Venmar

,

Sixty

, Untrod Tripod,[/color]

Nero Cain

, Sheep Majiffy or Thor

sangres

- (1):

kanyeknowsbest

Not voting - (0):

--

With

18

alive it takes

10

to lynch.
Deadline for Day 1:

26th of April at 5pm

Irish Time - countdown: (expired on 2014-04-26 12:00:00)
CDB is V/la

[/area]

Last count of day one.

I'm just going to put these here for now. I'll do something with them after I read.

fixed uh

[Cerulean]

Day 2, VC 28

kanyeknowsbest

- (8):

Plessiez, Zdenek, Tim Howard

, Plum, Flipping Awesome, [/color]

Nero Cain

, Nobody Special,

Cerulean

Nero Cain - (7):

Shadoweh

,

Venmar

,

Lady Lambdadelta

, xRECKONERx,

kanyeknowsbest

, Untrod Tripod,

chamber

Not voting - (0):

--

With

15

alive it takes

8

to lynch.
Deadline for Day 1:

11th of May at 8:10pm

Irish Time - countdown: (expired on 2014-05-11 15:10:00)[/color]
No one is V/la.[/area]

Day Two

[Cerulean]

Day 3, VC 14

Lady Lambdadelta

- (7)

chamber

, Untrod Tripod, T

im Howard,

xRECKONERx,

Zdenek, Cerulean

,

Venmar

Venmar -

(3)

[/color]

Nero Cain

, Plum, Nobody Special

Untrod Tripod - (1)

Lady Lambdadelta

Not voting - (2):

Flipping Awesome,

Shadoweh

With

13

alive it takes

7

to lynch.
Deadline for Day 1:

3rd of June at 2:15am

Irish Time - countdown: (expired on 2014-06-02 21:15:00)[/color][/area]

Venmar will be lynched with 6 votes this day phase.

Plum is V/LA.

[Cerulean]

Day 4, VC 3

Venmar

(7) -

Cerulean,

Nero Cain

, Untrod Tripod, Nobody Special,

Tim Howard

,

Venmar,

Sheep Thor or Sheep Majiffy

Not voting - (5):

Shadoweh, Zdenek

, Plum, Flipping Awesome, xRECKONERx

With

11

alive it takes

6

to lynch.
Deadline for Day 1:

17th of June at 3:30pm

Irish Time - countdown: (expired on 2014-06-16 22:30:45)[/color]
Plum is V/la. Tammy's head is V/la.[/area]

[Cerulean]

Day 5, VC 8

Tim Howard

- (5):

Cerulean

, Untrod Tripod, Nobody Special, xRECKONERx, Flipping Awesome

Nobody Special - (1):

Tim Howard

Not voting - (3):

Zdenek

, Plum, [/color]

Nero Cain

With

9

alive it takes

5

to lynch.
Deadline for Day 5:

18th of June at 9:45pm

Irish Time - countdown: (expired on 2014-06-18 16:45:21)

Nero Cain is V/la[/area]

Day 5

I'm not the best at VCA, but in the last game I played I tried to do it and came out with a placeholder for scum, so don't yell at me for not doing it *right*. I'll give some thoughts when I read. (Though I think I'm about to play some skype mafia so my attention might be divided for a bit. Sorry if I seem distracted as I tried to reread.)

[Cerulean]

reck - In the Red Wedding, I got the impression that the reason why you got away with troll hammering was because it was something you did as town too. Did I get that wrong?

(empire and I are having a little debate. apparently I can occasionally draw him into the game, as long as it's about meta!)

[Flipping Awesome]

Re-reading and I am at Plum's first post. This bugs me for a lot of reasons:

Why would a

town framer

ever use his ability if it isn't compulsive? The only way a

town framer

works is if it's negative utility, and it's only negative utility if it's compulsive. Not believing the claim.

Rolecop, etc. Even if that were needed given what everyone's saying about the Moderation team's design ethos.

To summarize my take on the thread since my V/LA:

Everything to do with Tim Howard makes me hate things. Like the meta. Thanks to Hearthstone, I've now learned to complain about it as its own entity, not just as a pseudo-scumhunting crutch.

There are just things I can't imagine are reliable long-term scum tactics, that he is consistently doing, but perhaps they are.

Harping and harping on Sixty's behavior towards Blue-Tammy to no scumread or scumhunting or possible positive effect, for one (for most, actually, of what I recall of his posting these past two days).

You hedge hard on Tim Howard here. The underlined part says essentially nothing. I could buy that you were waffling or don't know what to think of Tim Howard but I tend to find that it is easy to follow the thought processes of players that waffle a lot, but in your case, I have no idea what you are trying to say. I think you are saying that Tim Howard is too bad to be scum but maybe he is? Your next sentence is a valid point. Yet, it is a point that has already been hashed out before. You offer no new opinions or insights.

Certainly I only partly get the on-and-off-again Katsuki wagon, which isn't even engaging the guest of honor (so why bother with it?), and am utterly lukewarm on the stuttering attempts to broker a Shadoweh wagon. I'd love to just trust CDB on everything - it would make this hellish Day 1 a lot easier, cut TH and was it Ven or Zed or some other recurring topic out for the noise column right away.

You hedge on Katsuki here again offering nothing substantial and not committing to any position on him. You talk about his wagon not engaging him. I don't understand what the relevance of it in relation to alignment.

On that note, has CDB done anything this game but say "trust me, meta"? I'm sure I don't recall. Oh, well, not much, besides that Shdoweh push (which in fairness is mild but persistent), though his comment about the gamestate being weird and hard to read is true enough, so I'll hold more complaints and wait and watch there.

You again hedge your read on CDB. If you wanted to see what CDB had done so far, it isn't very difficult to check his ISO. Your comments about his Shadoweh push are again ambiguous. Is it a good thing that it is mild or persistent?

Tempted to vote Nobody Special, so expect one at the end of this post for people who skim for bold official things. It only hurts so much because it's barely better than an arbitrary division of what I'm treating as noise and what I'm treating as signal, and I'm sure there's some very legitimate meta that says this overall tone or behavior or both are normative for NS, but who gives a damn? Frankly, my dear, etc.

This is vague, ambiguous, and arbitrary. I have no clue why you voted Nobody Special at this point.

I apologize for being one of those who hasn't been in much and has contributed to the pile of people not worthy of trust because no attention drawn to yet, and unnecessarily caused potential future problems to crop up because of that. Most sincerely sorry. I'm sure there are a share of Townies in that pool aside from me, making this all a pain, though hopefully not a tedious chore as we forge on.

This feels like an incredibly fluffly way to say "sorry for being inactive." Why all the fluff? (Note to self to check up on meta for this)

Tentatively trust the party on the now dispersed TH wagon more than the average composition of Shadoweh or Katsuki wagons, by the by.

This also seems really vague. I could go and check the votecount in Post 501 and I'd say you trust {Shadoweh, Zdenek, Untrod Tripod, Nobody Special, Katsuki} who were all on Tim Howard. And then you vote NS anyway for reasons that are unclear.

Okay, Nobody Special. I will do my part for this despiriting mess by forcing you out on the field of battle! Only by fighting can we see how you move! And how I move. Because you've just been outright flitting, gently, uselessly, all but silently from one soft suspicion to another hahaha how cute nope no more shadows and lurking for you, you scum. Nor me, me Town. Let me rectify my mistakes.

Join, my friends. Nobody Special goes down or proves his steel.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Nobody Special

I hate, hate, hate everything about this post.

[xRECKONERx]

reck - In the Red Wedding, I got the impression that the reason why you got away with troll hammering was because it was something you did as town too. Did I get that wrong?

(empire and I are having a little debate. apparently I can occasionally draw him into the game, as long as it's about meta!)

Yeah, you did. I mean I've quickhammered as town before, I think, but it's not like my meta

[Plum]

Real post soon when I can use my husband's computer. Not currently impressed by FA. Cases are scummy. That's a generalization, sure. But this is the scummy kind of case, the sort that gives rise to the generalized sentiment.

[Flipping Awesome]

If you are town, show me where I am wrong. And please do better than "cases are scummy."

[Untrod Tripod]

Real post soon when I can use my husband's computer

daaaaaaawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

but seriously proddodge

[xRECKONERx]

Cases are scummy.

[Plum]

If you are town, show me where I am wrong. And please do better than "cases are scummy."

It's not like I haven't said that I believe that cases are scummy this game, in reference to case-type arguments I myself was attempting to make. Sometimes I say it tongue-in-cheek, but there's plenty of truth in it - there are prevalent and accepted types of casemaking that are, in fact, scummy. If I wasn't clear enough before, I found yours to be of that category.

Regardless. You've succeeded in highlighting the fact that at the beginning of the game I found it hard to get or sort through reads on a number of players, or that I sometimes mentioned players without coming to a conclusive read, and a couple of related bits and pieces. You've certainly implied that somehow this is all scummy. You have shown no inclination to analyze whether it actually

is

scummy. I won't show you you're wrong about my expressed unsurety about my reads, or unsurety as to whether to trust my instinctive reads on the players in question. I can certainly clarify some of my statements, and I will, because regardless of alignment I just don't not do that. It's a sickness.

But in return, please, describe the presumed scum motivation or scum gain I would have been trying for by whatever you've objected to (or, unless you think I have no skill whatever at fabricating cases and stances with these and this number of players in such a game as this and that therefore I as scum would have no other option than the hedging and so forth that you identify here, etc.).

I think you are saying that Tim Howard is too bad to be scum but maybe he is? Your next sentence is a valid point. Yet, it is a point that has already been hashed out before. You offer no new opinions or insights.

I was sort of saying the equivalent. Scum sometimes choose bad tactics or strategies, or sometimes what seems like a poor tactic might be viable given information Town doesn't anticipate - it's frustrating when you see someone playing in a way that seems scummy or off in some way but doesn't seem like it would benefit their alignment if they were scum. I figured I'd express my thought process there, at least. And yes, sometimes I repeat or note things that have been hashed out before. Giving an understanding where I stand or my thought process on an issue, even if it mirrors someone else's position, can be valuable.

You hedge on Katsuki here again offering nothing substantial and not committing to any position on him. You talk about his wagon not engaging him. I don't understand what the relevance of it in relation to alignment.

If I thought the reasons for the Katsuki wagon had merit, I would have said so. If I thought it was completely baseless and contrived, I'd have said so. Saying I 'only partly got it' would indicate that I didn't think particularly much of the reasons. At the time I found Katsuki unreadable, and had no confidence distinguishing between deliberate unreadability or playstyle/how Katsuki expressed himself given the playerlist. I did not have a scumread on Katsuki. The wagon, at least, seemed more interesting - there was an aspect to it that was atypical and worth notice.

You again hedge your read on CDB. If you wanted to see what CDB had done so far, it isn't very difficult to check his ISO. Your comments about his Shadoweh push are again ambiguous. Is it a good thing that it is mild or persistent?

Who says I didn't check his ISO? My point was about what I remembered him doing, what impact he had on the game, &c. I

did

skim his ISO around that point, just to be certain I hadn't forgotten anything somehow, which is where I note what he actually did do - a push/pressure on Shadoweh (which didn't show very very strong conviction per se but was consistent and persistent) and a comment about the gamestate that in context put his level and type of contributions in new light. I showed my thought process, you see. In the end I'm willing to wait on CDB for future contributions, and read him as worthy of me withholding my mistrust for the time being.

This is vague, ambiguous, and arbitrary. I have no clue why you voted Nobody Special at this point.

So what? If I didn't phrase it such that you had a full understanding you weren't meant to have a full understanding.

This feels like an incredibly fluffly way to say "sorry for being inactive." Why all the fluff? (Note to self to check up on meta for this)

Why not? I did that while identifying a problem that I suspected was going to crop up: there were a number of people who had done little in the early game and were less engaged/mixed into the game and therefore harder to read (and perhaps harder to integrate). More than one person besides myself cited a gamestate that wasn't flowing well for them as the Day wore on, which I believe was related to that. And yes, why don't you get on that? I don't want to spoil too much, but bursts of verbosity are fairly typical from me, regardless of alignment.

This also seems really vague. I could go and check the votecount in Post 501 and I'd say you trust {Shadoweh, Zdenek, Untrod Tripod, Nobody Special, Katsuki} who were all on Tim Howard. And then you vote NS anyway for reasons that are unclear.

Key word there was 'average'. Also I believe I meant the height of the TH wagon, so throw in Cerulean there as well. I trusted Cerulean, Zdenek, and (though

As for the post you hate, you have my sympathy. Hatred can be bad for the digestion, I know. I found NS' initial posting scummy, of its own merits, but suspected, rightly, that most players, Day 1, would generally reject my reasons as things par for the course for NS, just baseline playstyle stuff (while I felt that there was a reasonably good chance that was not the case even so, and felt that wrong or right pursuing it might well yield useful contributions). I also felt like I wasn't well integrated in the game in general. I desired to rectify this by attempting a less common approach to an engagement with NS.

[Plum]

For heaven's sake I was MID-SENTENCE thanks a lot husband's computer's stupid keyboard that at least has a working t and y and backspace key and so forth

be back with that paragraph I was working on no ended midsentence

[Plum]

This also seems really vague. I could go and check the votecount in Post 501 and I'd say you trust {Shadoweh, Zdenek, Untrod Tripod, Nobody Special, Katsuki} who were all on Tim Howard. And then you vote NS anyway for reasons that are unclear.

Key word there was 'average'. Also 'tentatively'. It also had to do with the fact that I think I saw more merit and therefore more average sincerity in the TH wagon than the Katsuki wagon (mediocre, not engaging the target) and Shdoweh (trusted Shadoweh for reasons I chose not to discuss in the thread at that time).

[Flipping Awesome]

Plum, besides me, who are your scumreads? Townreads? Thoughts on them?

[Cerulean]

I did, indeed, get distracted by Skype but I have now put myself on Skype restriction!

Anyway, still reading, and the moment of revelation I thought I had about Reck isn't as insightful if troll hammering isn't something he does.

[Nobody Special]

I find nothing useful in the recent posts.


Also, it irritates me that scum is keeping me alive. I WILL NOT BE YOUR WHIPPING BOY

[xRECKONERx]

NS you'd be better off literally just posting "prod dodge".