Ikaruga Mafia (Game Over!)

[Xayzeck]

seriously, titus not knowing necro's case?

Vote titus....

you gave up on the ZZZX push pretty damn quick

[Sharpest-knife-on-tree]

seriously, titus not knowing necro's case?

Vote titus....

you gave up on the ZZZX push pretty damn quick

what you want me to tunnel?
Did you get rid of TSO because you knew he would keep tunneling on you?
I vote how I vote, when I vote and use my vote as I see fit...
titus I have seen is more game aware then that... so it is worth a vote... it should not be shocking.
Zzzx is not doing anything to help and has yet to post since off VLA. If it were soley up to me, ZZZX would be out of the game by now.

[Titus]

VLA from the 26th until the 31st

[Xayzeck]

what you want me to tunnel?
Did you get rid of TSO because you knew he would keep tunneling on you?
I vote how I vote, when I vote and use my vote as I see fit...
titus I have seen is more game aware then that... so it is worth a vote... it should not be shocking.
Zzzx is not doing anything to help and has yet to post since off VLA. If it were soley up to me, ZZZX would be out of the game by now.

no? i just wanted to know why the ZZZX pushed ended so quick
nope, kinda glad he's gone but he promised a less dicky play today, so maybe if he stayed i wouldn't have minded
it wasn't shocking, i was asking you why you gave up zzzx so quickly. rather, why is your meta argument on titus more valuable than whatever you got on ZZZX?
huh, I see. so do you actually scumread the guy or is it a policy lynch thing?

[Titus]

seriously, titus not knowing necro's case?

Vote titus....

you gave up on the ZZZX push pretty damn quick

what you want me to tunnel?
Did you get rid of TSO because you knew he would keep tunneling on you?
I vote how I vote, when I vote and use my vote as I see fit...
titus I have seen is more game aware then that... so it is worth a vote... it should not be shocking.
Zzzx is not doing anything to help and has yet to post since off VLA. If it were soley up to me, ZZZX would be out of the game by now.

What case? I just saw jon's a lurker... why do people think that's a case?

[The Necromancers]

@Mastin:
Can we talk a bit about Spring Starflower and PereV?

Can, yes.

Will get productive talk out of, not at this point in time.

Spring's posting looks vaguely town. PV's does, too.

(By the way, Malakittens has probably moved up to second-strongest townread, or close to.)

VOTE: Dry fit

mastin why go after a lurker when we have a clear wagon here. After all, we started one on this dude and then wham bam the one on Aegor went through the roof.

I.
AM.
NOT.
FUCKING.
GOING.
AFTER.
A.
GOD. DAMNED.
LURKER.

Why the

fuck

do you people keep on saying this? Talah was my strongest fucking scumread on D1, and I explicitly laid out the case multiple fucking times. (AND NO IT WAS NOT A FUCKING META CASE, EITHER; IT WAS BASED OFF OF OBJECTIVELY-SCUM BEHAVIOR. Which was AUGMENTED by meta, not driven by it.) And jon is not a fucking lurker. Talah's not a fucking lurker, either. He lurked (STRATEGIC LURKING AT ITS FINEST MIND YOU), yes, but he's not a fucking lurker.

This isn't a damn tunnel. jon will flip scum. As close to 100% as I will permit myself to say.


/ranting.

Okay. So aside from me lynching jon, I suppose I owe you an answer on why

not

Dry-fit, and that's simple:
While I've had him as more likely scum than not, I'm second-guessing that conclusion, with how the end of D1 went. It looked like scum didn't care which of Aegor or Dry-fit got lynched...which would mean that both were town. Furthermore, the switch from Dry-fit onto Aegor was mostly driven by the dead town player TSO, so getting rid of him makes a mislynch on Dry-fit easier. Additionally, Dry-fit's claim makes sense as being from town.
Plus, Dry-fit's being raised as an option above Titus and jon, sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo...not supporting that wagon today.
Or tomorrow.
And frankly, by that point in time, likely not ever after.

[The Necromancers]

VOTE: Dry fit
mastin why go after a lurker when we have a clear wagon here. After all, we started one on this dude and then wham bam the one on Aegor went through the roof.

Mastin's made it pretty clear, no matter my Role PM, there's no way I'm Town. Because she

knows

this, she doesn't have to give

any

consideration that there's any chance of being wrong. I'm honored and all, that Necro thinks I'm so dangerous I need killing first and foremost. I just don't think it's for the right reasons.

What makes you think Dry fit is scum?
You can post ten times a day, and be considered a lurker in this game, but I do post less in Large games, (I usually avoid them), I'm usually busy playing catch up. There's soo many rabbit trails that need going down, to track down scum.

@ Mala I still want to know what made you erroneously think I'm a Polarity Tracker?

My top scum reads are Necro, Rach, Thor, Shiny and Mala at this moment. (insert legal disclaimer here)

And this is scum posting to its core. jon's spending his entire time addressing...people he's scumreading. While addressing players who you're scumreading is all nice and fine...he's doing nothing BUT addressing them. Furthermore, he is clearly omgusing, from his read on us to Rach (see how defensive he is about the lurking comment?) and maybe even MalaK. (I'll need to check posting there, plus Shiny's, some more to see how bad it is.) He's yet again treating me as if I'm town and trying to talk me down, while simultaneously saying I'm scum. Look at the phrasing. The sentence structure is NOT that of a town player scumreading me and saying that I'm scum-refusing-to-change-read. It's that of scum saying that I'm town-refusing-to-change-read...WHILE scumreading me. If that wasn't enough, you've got a "right for the wrong reasons" in there, in that jon KNOWS I'm right, even if he thinks my reasoning sucks.

Jon will likely flip town and you'll just realize that you're shutting me out Necro. Then again, I get the paranoia but damn dude and dudette.

This coming from someone allegedly

also

scumreading us last I checked.

Necro

you still haven't answered why Doublade is town? I've asked it about like five times now.
You haven't given a single reason why you want jon dead that isn't just fancy words for lurkage.

Everything.
For both, just on opposites.
Fucking everything.
Literally every fucking thing.
About both of them, as polar opposites in just about every fucking way possible.

Doublade is town-as-fuck; jon is confscum.

Doublade's play is natural; talah and now jon's has been artificial. Their tone says it all--Doublade's is that of town, trying to figure things out and letting info flow freely, unafraid of others and not fearing anything. talah's and jon's have been structured, precise and calculated, extremely self-aware and critical of their critics, on the defensive in contrast to Doublade's offense. It literally is the difference between fucking day and night.

[The Necromancers]

Mastin's made it pretty clear, no matter my Role PM, there's no way I'm Town. Because he knows this, he doesn't have to give any consideration that there's any chance of being wrong. I'm honored and all, that Necro thinks I'm so dangerous I need killing first and foremost. I just don't think it's for the right reasons.

see, you keep calling us scum, but we still see shit like this^
this implies you think we're town genuinely suspecting you, but you want to keep on taking potshots

Well, hell yeah. You're writing speeches about how this slot couldn't possibly be Town. Of course I'm going to bite back now and then.

This is NOT town-scumreading-a-player.
This is scum, lashing out in desperation.

He's lashing out because we're scumreading him strongly--explicitly, that's his reasoning.
No effort to understand why we scumread him in the first place, merely attempts to shut down the validity of said scumread.

There's no way Mastin pushes for this bad of a policy lynch.

IF YOU.
LEGITIMATELY THINK.
FOR SO MUCH AS ONE FUCKING SECOND.
I WOULD

EVER

PUSH A POLICY LYNCH.
FUCK YOU.

(Thankfully, I just so happen to think you don't.
Because there's no fucking way.
NO FUCKING WAY.
That a town-Titus would call my push on jon a policy fucking lynch.)


(...That being said, I will admit, Antihero probably is a little bit of a bad influence on me. My tone is sometimes getting dangerously close to his, merging us from two into one.)

[The Necromancers]

A town!mastina I can get through to.

Yeah...as either alignment.

Not happening this game.

You are manipulative scum.
Rather than inquisitive town.
When you are town, your posting is meant to solve the game.
When you are scum, your posting is meant to obscure and/or twist the truth.
When you are town, your effort is in working with others. (Albeit in your own unique way.)
When you are scum, your effort is in shutting them down.

Your posting this game has been focused on directing the flow of information, from your D1 play to your insistence on jon being a lurker to saying Doublade is scum. Rather than focused on creating new information.

This is your scumgame. Through-and-through.

[The Necromancers]

seriously zzzx is a superb vote at this juncture...

You want an

actual

lurker-vote?
This would be it; ZX has been lurking at least a little bit if not a lot. (I'll need to double-check this, though.)

No way in fucking hell is jon a lurker.

And if Mastin's wrong??

I'm not. We can deal with the possibility of me being wrong come D4.

You also haven't answered my question about where Necro said this was more than a lurker lynch.

LITERALLY FUCKING ISO ME AND/OR OUR HYDRA AND CONTROL-F FOR TALAH. And jon. There's nothing but fucking reason after reason why they're scum. Because this is their fucking scumgame. Period.

[Doublade]

this would be where i jump onto the titus wagon and say "hey mastin do this if you're so concerned about titus-scum" but skot-scum's last vote mmmmmmmmmmmmmnotrightnow.

[The Necromancers]

Prod dodge, bitches

Die you scumfuck.

(<3 Nacho, but seriously. Will lynch your ass if I run low on scumspects...which I sort-of am.)

VOTE: dry-fit
this one is for you oh great and gone tso

Uhh...
*points to TSO's posting*
...Lynching Dry-fit is kinda the

opposite

of respecting TSO, yaknow.

Titus/jon, on the other hand, I'm sure he'd be delighted to see hang.

[Doublade]

i was being sarcastic because his reads were so great on aegor and probably dry fit

[The Necromancers]

this would be where i jump onto the titus wagon and say "hey mastin do this if you're so concerned about titus-scum" but skot-scum's last vote mmmmmmmmmmmmmnotrightnow.

Well, aside from SKOT having a significant chance of being town, there is a little thing we like to call "bussing", which can be appealing when the players pushing the lynch are all fairly strong.

[Doublade]

it's more like i liked the dry fit lynch yesterday and it's still the best right now / today / until the lynch actually goes through which without tso being bullheaded is probably possible and i'm probably not letting go of it no matter how iffy i want to act

[Titus]

Necro, I am trying to get more information out. I want people to discuss Doublade. I want discussion about your case. I want to solve the game. However, massive discredits and refusal to highlight cases (and calling me a dumb ass for not seeing it) prevent me from actually doing so. I MUST interact with players to solve the game.

[The Necromancers]

Necro, I am trying to get more information out. I want people to discuss Doublade. I want discussion about your case. I want to solve the game. However, massive discredits and refusal to highlight cases (and calling me a dumb ass for not seeing it) prevent me from actually doing so. I MUST interact with players to solve the game.

discredits? where?

i'm afraid you're misunderstanding me. i'm not calling you a dumbass for not seeing a case. i'm calling you scum for pretending there's not a case and making empty prods for content under the guise of "trying to figure things out". the premise for my case for you being scum is that you're NOT a dumbass.

if you're really interested in further progressing your doublade read, why have you not articulated reasoning why they're scum beyond the extremely superficial "they wanted twilight to be shorter" argument? (i can't believe you think that's an acceptable argument by the way; if they're scum wanting to avoid slippage, wouldn't they just... you know... not post?)

[Titus]

Everyone rolling their eyes saying there's no way Titus can't see the case are all discredits. You can't actually believe the case you're putting forth is a discredit.

None of my prods are empty, hence why I am following up on my statements and wanting discussion. It absolutely is an acceptable argument. I find that scum (with myself being the rare exception) want the day cut shorter if their is some piece of information they want to hide. When I see someone say, "hurry up and end the day/twilight" and there won't be disasterous results and they are not new, I immediately think it's a scumclaim. I don't need more than that before I start a discussion because I look at reactions to a piece of evidence and then build more from that said reaction. The fact that no one talks about Doublade's slip makes me believe more that Doublade is scum and this fact should be hidden.

The slot gets a free pass becaues Marquis is a giant fucking troll. You don't give usual trolls town status because they troll. His whole ISO, majority of it less than two lines, indicates scum. He's doing empty vapid content.


Now, can you please link me to this case that I've overlooked that you believe is more than a lurker case?

[The Necromancers]

Thinking I need to revise my readslist.

Shiny Hydreigon
Doublade
Malakittens

MafiaSSK
Dry-fit
Thor665 (sincerely doubt talah's interaction with Nati was scum-scum)
RachMarie
Saki
Spring Starflower
PeregrineV
Zdenek (somewhat-stale read)

ZZZX
TiphaineDeath
Sharpest-knife-on-tree

Xayzeck
Nachomamma8
Jordan_Downey

Titus
Jon_h61

Divisions here should be fairly obvious, though I haven't done my full load of research. There's a talah iso, jon iso, Titus iso (Fear's was useless), plus VCA, plus referencing that with the notes I had, and thinking what is probable given this.

Basically, I maintain the ease of breaking this wide open, 'specially with two known scum. It's just figuring out the exact links.

[The Necromancers]

(And yes I'm for the moment ignoring Titus's post.
And her request.
Right now, not really bothering.)

I technically have a LOT more free time now than I was planning on having (you'd be surprised how few obligations I currently hold on MS.net, compared to how many I was anticipating me holding at this time), so I might as well spend some of it doing that. Spoilering this stuff, though, when it comes.

[Doublade]

ok stop right there before you misrep me any more and pull a muscle or whatever the kids are calling it these days.

i'm going to make this concise because lately i've been having a spontaneous-wall-generation problem and to be honest it's really clashing with the image i like to keep of myself.

one.

i asked for bulba to lock the thread because i wanted to have the last word in that "conversation"

T S O

and i were having (conversation meaning tso being oh-so-

right

-always-

right

and me getting

rightfully

pissed at him for it). was it in town's best interests? probably not. am i scum? lolnopegoaway.

two.

this one is about you calling me a "giant fucking troll". i may or may not be abnormally tall for my ethnicity, and i may or may not be addicted to the-next-word-in-that-sequence, but you don't get to throw that troll shit at me. maybe a long time ago, but not here. the fact that i like to post in lowercase while actually trying to enjoy the game doesn't mean i can't play, and doesn't fucking mean i'm scum.

let me say that again because i seem to have to be saying this one a lot as of late:

the fact that i like to post in lowercase while actually trying to enjoy the game doesn't mean i can't play, and doesn't [expletive] mean i'm scum.

clearly you're either not actually reading my posts or you are and you're ignoring them completely. which brings me to the next number.

three.

let's do another repeat line:

clearly you're either not actually reading my posts or you are and you're ignoring them completely.

so i generally like to be concise. so what? truth time: a lot of people [don't like to / don't even] read walls. that trait in me usually translates to liking to keep things simple and go one at a time. just because some of my posts are short doesn't mean they're "empty vapid content". fucking annoying blatant misrepresentation and by the way, i looked at my iso for myself, and if you're not even going to say anything about the good chunk of totally intentional / potentially accidental big-to-medium-sized posts, i could just be purposefully obnoxious and quote all of them, but i'm pretty sure i should just stop typing right now because you're going to not even read this and say it's a scum response anyway.

lolnope pedit mentality wants me to do more

i'll give you this: your "case" on me is so blatantly empty and so willfully ignorant that you (surprise!) managed to make me make myself think you're actually somehow town, because i really don't think scum would be ballsy enough to try and drive a lynch on me when i'm obvtown and obvtown-being-read-correctly. sorry-not-sorry if it makes me sound conceited in my status. but guess what? it's true, i'm town, and no matter how far from your version of optimal town play you think i am, i think you should get your head out of your ass and vote dry-fit if you want to actually start being useful instead of dividing the town and pushing your ridiculous mislynch.

this has been another accidental wall from marquis. nighty-night now~

~marquis

[The Necromancers]

Can I just clarify you're looking at a *policy lynch* just to quell noise?
And you're voting *me*?

Fun fact: talah uses the words policy lynch in regard to his slot.
jon and Titus have also done so for the slot.
Thought I'd quote this and just say that it's fairly probable talah commented on it in the scum PT, and that any scum player reading the scum PT thinking about players' reasoning to lynch him would be more likely to be prone to his biases--i.e. assume voting him is a policy lynch.

(SKOT's more likely town from this, though.)

Spoiler: stronger talah interactions

Saki, Sakura (et al) - Hi! You guys town?

Saki and Sakura both have their chances of being scum decrease. This banter from talah is not forced, thus, not scum-scum.

I still want to engage, Nati

What makes me think talah's not scum with Thor.

Vote SSK please? Nati, you've had experience with him, right? Reading him as town? (He's also voting you for scum reading Necro, apparently, and is ignoring basically everything else)

'Nother decent one.

@Rach - I don't really know what you're expecting from me regarding hyper-puppy but usually that kind of posting is just me snowballing into rage or indignation, and a lot of the time I don't really find that useful or comfortable these days, even if I can't help it a lot of the time.

Similarly I'm still waiting for non-posters to actually post (in particular Nacho but also TSO) and some more posting from others (whatever the hell that Fear thing is for example, my question to SSK and also have my eye on others I should be able to get reads-ish on - yourself for one, and Sakura and hopefully Saki).

This was mainly quoted to highlight why Rach's town, but in hindsight, the Nacho/Fear bit looks important.

Talah why do you have the scum reads you do?

I have to go to work Rach. Those are the folks I feel most leery of right now.

Here's another good one for Rach being town.

Ah good, Nacho's here!
Uh..... d'awwww

I recently finished an alt-game with Nacho where I had him in my scumleans and gave him a free pass and he went on into lylo. No more free passes unless I have a reasonable amount of doubt. I want to get Nacho's take on this as a reasonable change in ethos from me, since you just seem to be spamfucking.

This interaction looks weird, too. Obviously, talah being scum is why he doesn't have the hesitance towards Nacho, but even with talah as scum, why wouldn't he pursue Nacho? Why would he instead want Nacho's backing? I can kinda see it as scum-buddying-town, but it feels off.

At this stage I'm thinking Rach, possibly SSK, ZZZX, and *maybeee* Starflower depending on Sakura's input. Nati and Pere I have zero clue. Saki's absent which I think is actually slightly townleaning. Anyway.

There's probably scum in here--not SSK, and almost certainly not Rach. From looking, it also doesn't feel like Starflower or Saki (I'll need to confirm this, though), and as mentioned, Nati/Thor is also doubtful. Which leaves PV and ZX. PV I still think is townish, but I need to check ZX.
Rating them most-town to least-town, it'd be {Rach/SSK, SSK/Rach, Nati-Thor/Saki, Saki/Nati-Thor, PV/Sakura, Sakura/PV, ZX}.

Funny because I'm following along and I have no idea why you're scumreading me. You were in 172 as well. I don't see how you'd expect me to be doing anything except what I do.

This was to Zdenek, so I'm thinking of reinvigorating that townread off of the unlikelihood of it being scum-scum.

Doublade-caled: If you move your eyes *ever so slightly above your question to me* you'll find the answer already there.

The Doublade hydra's already at spot #2 townread-wise, but this certainly doesn't harm!

wb Sakura!
I'm assuming you posted 757/786 - what did you need catching up on? I'm sorta-kinda not caught up so maybe we can connect here?

@Mara - are you talking with me as well, or just dispensing advice?
By the way - how much have notscience and Wisdom posted so far? Cause... at least notscience might be able to read me, and he's in your hydra.

Little bit on Sakura, but mostly on Mara for townness.

Nacho hasn't posted enough to read yet. I think I should be able to get a decent idea if/when he posts enough. I don't really understand the push on Xayzeck, actually. Pretty null on TSO just for now though.

Thor's entrance is actually a bit niggly. Nati not wanting to engage directly might be null, but the casual vote-drop on to the largest wagon and then focusing attention elsewhere seems odd. You've played with him a bit, haven't you? I have once or twice and haven't gained a great deal of insight into where his scum and towngames might differ.

Looking bad for Nacho, and good for Thor.

also despite having just as much supporters as the other two wagons (and more people pushing) it is meeting more resistance which is pretty exciting, I think

I don't know what resistance you're seeing unless it's me just flat out saying I think he's town and I don't like the wagon. Seems like most other folks not voting Xay are just tied up in their other adventures.

My scumlist is basically {talah, Jordan, Thor, Aegor} right now in no particular order, with me willing to support a lynch on either Jordan or Aegor.

Weellll... at least you included the one scum in your fakescum list. *Waves at Thor*

As a side note, I don't know what it is about Mafiascum meta at the moment which makes me feel like I have to be REALLY REALLY PROACTIVE just to counter fucking lurksacks and town that won't get its shit together. Apologies if you are that kind of town and take offense to the truth.

I dislike both the Aegor and Xayzeck wagons. But I'm willing to force a claim.
VOTE: Xayzeck

This is mainly strong for the Jordan defense. talah's overall interaction with Xayzeck vaguely supports Xayzeck being scum, but it's far from sure-fire. Thor's town, though.

So that's talah.

Adjustments:
Shiny Hydreigon
Doublade
Malakittens

MafiaSSK
Dry-fit
Thor665 (sincerely doubt talah's interaction with Nati was scum-scum)
RachMarie
Sharpest-knife-on-tree
Zdenek
Saki
Spring Starflower
PeregrineV

ZZZX
TiphaineDeath

Xayzeck
Nachomamma8
Jordan_Downey

Titus
Jon_h61

Still tweaking it.

[The Necromancers]

Remove the gap between ZX/TD and Xayzeck. ZX/TD are interchangeable in positions right now. I need to do a little more research and iso-work. (Isoing scum's only part of the process; I also need to iso players-of-interest. Which include...TSO, ZX, TD, Dry-fit, Xayzeck, Jordan, Nacho, Spring Starflower, PV, and RachMarie in approximately that importance.)

[RachMarie]

Nacho I realize it is a bit of pot and kettle here with the net issues NS and I are having (cable guy will be here Tues to fix the router). but really could we get more from you than just prod dodge?

[The Necromancers]

Spoiler: stronger jon interactions

I'm half surprised at Peregrine's scum read of my slot. Mainly because I've agreed with a lot of his posts.

I still want to lynch Talah-Jon.That one seems pretty straightforward to me.I'll get down to reading the people on the bottoms of leading wagons tomorrow.

Since it's pretty straightforward, it should be easily explained so everyone will understand. Please enlighten everyone as to how you know I received a scum PM.
Of all the wagons started Today, I'm least leery of Dry-fit.
VOTE: Dry-fit
Hopefully, by the start of Day 2, I'll have a better grip on who I'm scum reading, I have several players I'm already Town reading. To make it plainer, I'm

not

scum reading Aegor or Zayzeck. I'm unsure of Jordan. Soon, hopefully, I'll have the time to devote to the thread it deserves. Unexpected events in Meat World...

So this makes me lean against PV being scum, too. Dry-fit it vaguely points to being town, especially if Jordan is scum. Zdenek much more strongly town as well. (Also, Rach's looking townish through here, too. So's Thor.)

Looking at Titus's iso makes me think Jordan's scum, too.

Not feeling the Aegor or Dry-fit hate at the moment. No love either, so will lynch to avoid wasted day, but let's try a flashwagon on a replacement.

Vote: Jon_h61

This fence is so far up your ass I can see it coming out your mouth. I amnot surprised you were "convinced" to vote me.

Oh, yeah. PV's town.

Shiny Hydreigon
Doublade
Malakittens

MafiaSSK
Dry-fit
Sharpest-knife-on-tree/Zdnek
Zdenek/SKOT
PeregrineV
Thor665
RachMarie
Saki
Spring Starflower

ZZZX/TD
TiphaineDeath/ZX
Xayzeck
Nachomamma8

Jordan_Downey
Titus
Jon_h61

Something like this. I technically bumped Thor/Rach down, but for Thor it's just not being as town, and for Rach it's similar with a side of paranoia-need-to-make-sure. (I'm also not sure whether Dry-fit deserves a position that high, though I

think

he does.)