Mini 1566: Lunar Silver Star Story Complete (Game Over)

[borkjerfkin]

Votecount 5.2

[1] Aegor (mastin2)
[1] Mac (Aegor)

[4] Not Voting (BROseidon, penguin_alien, Mac, beastcharizard)

With 6 alive, it is 4 to lynch.

Let me know if you see any problems.

Deadline is in (expired on 2014-06-29 01:00:00)

[Mac]

UNVOTE:

I still think my theory has the best chances of victory but it probably has the most drawbacks if I am wrong. I unpropose my theory now.

Mac, I will tell you tonight my theory and why I thought lynching you would greatly increase our chances of winning the game.

This works for me I guess?

VOTE: vote: Aegor[/b]

back to here. still think he's scum. mastin has also entered my brain but I'm not sure what to think about her atm.

[beastcharizard]

You realize your didn't vote right?

[Mac]

ha, didn't even realise.

vote: Aegor

[beastcharizard]

VOTE: Aegor

Ok, I feel like if Aegor isn't scum then tomorrow will be easy to pick out the scum.

[Aegor]

Do yourself and favor and address that possibility today before lynching me.

[Aegor]

But the fact that Mac cannot even claim his supposed role straight should be setting off alarms for all of y'all.

[mastin2]

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand, I'm paranoid now.

Unvote: Aegor

.

Aegor, remember this?

My only hesitation was if mastin had some other suspect. Since that is not the case, leggo.

Said about me. But, wellllllllllll......

I still think my theory has the best chances of victory but it probably has the most drawbacks if I am wrong. I unpropose my theory now.
Mac, I will tell you tonight my theory and why I thought lynching you would greatly increase our chances of winning the game.

This works for me I guess?
VOTE: vote: Aegor[/b]
back to here. still think he's scum. mastin has also entered my brain but I'm not sure what to think about her atm.

That.


Something about it is tripping all sorts of alarm bells.

Like, I can't think of any way, logically, that Mac would be scum here.
But, well...that's kinda the impression I suddenly got. :/

[mastin2]

(People actually FOLLOWING me doesn't help matters, either.
Like, I suddenly got an overwhelming warning bell telling me, "The Aegor lynch is wrong."

No clue why it's that strong.
But, well...it is.

And until I sort that feeling, no lynching there.

I suppose there's a bit in that while his tone is a bit flat, what Aegor's

saying

still looks town to me, combined with Mac's posting seeming...well, not so town. But I dunno.
For the moment, call it Aegor nullishtown and Mac nullishscum.

...Which in a way I suppose makes me simultaneously guilty and not guilty of that same thing, but I need to sort it.

We do have the time to, soyeah.)

[mastin2]

I suppose I should start with the obvious.

Mac:

What made me enter your mind?
Why can't you make anything of me?
Why haven't you put the time and effort into figuring me out?

[mastin2]

Guh. I'm going into full-blown paranoia mode.

Not necessarily that others are scum, mind you.
Simply that it'd be possible both Mac and Aegor are town and that thinking it's them could screw us over. :/

(Overall, Mac's still my best guess right now.
If it actually

is

Aegor, I owe the dead town [one or two in particular] an apology for this paranoia, but I

need

to pursue this, sorry.)

[mastin2]

PA:

So yeah, not interested in lynching the cop-cleared player on the offchance there's a GF. Especially when this is apathetic town-BRO.

Just to be sure, does this still hold?
And about how confident in it are you?

Aegor's too good a player to be going down this rabbit hole, but a miller with a one-shot cop is equally improbable. I'd lynch Aegor or Mac and take it from there.

I realize this was your initial opinion, but I'd like as much detail on your opinion of the two explained as possible.

Also, this might be obvious by looking at context and I'm doing it from iso, but why is Mac lynchable here yet you asked him to protect you just before that?

I'll be very surprised if this is scum-mastin.

I realize you have the tell on me (still insist it's not really that valid, btw), but can you explain the townread on me more clearly? Especially since with the Kdub lynch I kind-of

did

display some symptoms of your tell, yet as far as I can tell it didn't raise alarm bells to you.

And while I've felt the same way and don't exactly blame you if you can't properly verbalize it, what exactly makes SG/BC's slot town to you?

(Uhg. I'm honestly not sure if these questions will actually be helpful in figuring anything out. But I don't have any better ideas for how to pursue solving my paranoia, here. :/)

[mastin2]

VOTE: Aegor
Ok, I feel like if Aegor isn't scum then tomorrow will be easy to pick out the scum.

Assume Aegor's town.
Assume you die.

Lay out who's scum.
(Especially important if, y'know. You think it's Mac and the only person capable of relaying that is......Mac.)

In general, I could use your thoughts on everyone.
Like, you haven't commented on BRO at all; you've asked PA questions but haven't given a read, and similar for me. I've picked up the impression of townreads on all of us, but never anything explicit and with no reasoning attached to it.

[mastin2]

Guh. Really need questions to Aegor and BRO, too, and probably more to Mac, but can't really think of anything.

Oh, here's one.

BROseidon:

I realize you're apathetic, but where do you stand overall when it comes to players? Give whatever you've got, even if it's virtually nothing. Like, gun-to-head instinctive reactions are better than absolutely nothing. (Granted, even better is actually-analytical stuff, but while I'd

prefer

you do that, I can understand not having done so.)

[mastin2]

Oh, and,

To everyone:

Challenge me.
I could use people asking questions of their own to me. Might help stimulate me enough to help figure things out. (I typically work best when I have someone who serves to keep me in check and give me focus. Which questioning me can do, by pointing things out I had forgotten about or didn't think about, soyeah.)

[penguin_alien]

Holy umpteen posts. Low on time ATM due to seeing how many job applications I can submit in < 24 hours, but briefly:

Not lynching BRO. BRO, if you're scum, you can take me and anyone else to 3p LyLo and win the game.

mastin, it's a tone thing with you. How you approach people, how you frame your arguments. Or so I interpret it, and will apparently continue to do so until you snow me with it, at which point I'll go grumble and reset my brain.

I view Aegor as a reasonable player based on what I know of his play, which is a limited selection: the Micro game where he was in a hydra as town (Tarot Mafia, number escapes me) and NY 168 as scum. He was less rational as scum to my read, but it's not something I'd bet the game on (obviously, or I'd be voting).

Mac is claiming neighbor miller 2-shot doctor. This...just looks weird with the rest of the flips. That makes him lynchable to me, especially since he now has a perfectly legit reason to not save either me or BRO tonight depending on what works to his advantage.

I'll address beast-SG later. Possibly tomorrow. Like I said, busy. Sorry.

[beastcharizard]

@Mastin:

Why is Mac scum? Like what about him exactly is scummy? Link me posts or something.

Reads: which will make no sense to anyone.

Town:
Mac - with paranoia
PA - with paranoia

Null:
Bro - Haven't payed attention to them this game.
mastin - Ditto to above

Scum:
Aegor - Mac kind of convinced me

The Miller thing is the only thing making me paranoid of Mac. It is just an odd thing to tack onto an already pretty powerful role. A doctor and a neighbor? Also, the fact that we are neighbors and not Masons is weird as well. Mason's can't be scum IIRC so the only way to have them connected to town is by a neighborhood. The thing is if they are actually a doctor then it makes no sense as scum since it doesn't seem town has any way to kill and there has only been 1 kill each night the entire game.

PA makes me paranoid because they are a passive PR. I mean it isn't really an information based role IMO because it only works when people use actions on them. Easily a scum thing to have since town seems pretty power heavy. This paranoia and something else is what is making me not want to test my theory. My theory only works if PA is town.

[Aegor]

Scum:
Aegor - Mac kind of convinced me

Really? What posts, specifically? What have I done that is scummier than Mac? How is my play scummier than Mac's?

[penguin_alien]

OK, briefly, beast and SG are/were both looking to solve the game in a way that I don't see coming from a last scum standing. Way too much effort for a solo scum who has no suspicion on them. Solo scum here who's a neighbor with Mac should find it easy to take a stance, vote one way or the other, with the other choice as a back-up and toss mastin in there as a paranoia option. Not question my towniness when they don't need my mislynch to win. Hope that helps.

[beastcharizard]

Scum:
Aegor - Mac kind of convinced me

Really? What posts, specifically? What have I done that is scummier than Mac? How is my play scummier than Mac's?

He said you were scum.

I trust him that if he is town, which he most likely is, he knows what he is talking about. Not to mention you were the other lynch from yesterday.

Also, for those of you worried about me telling Mac my plan if he is scum, my theory would only work if tested today.

[Aegor]

He said you were scum.

I trust him that if he is town, which he most likely is, he knows what he is talking about.

That is not what you said. You said that Mac "convinced" you. Now you are saying that you are just sheeping Mac. They are two completely different things. You admit, then, that Mac has presented no actual reasons to think I am scum and therefore there is no way he could actually convince you or anyone else?

And you seem to have an absurd amount of faith in a player that has contributed...hmm...let's say.......

nothing

of substance to this game. And, that aside, cannot even tell us what his role is.

[Mac]

I suppose I should start with the obvious.

Mac:

What made me enter your mind?
Why can't you make anything of me?
Why haven't you put the time and effort into figuring me out?

I've already said your flip flop reminded me of what did you to me in Anything Goes (ie - you read me as strong town and then moulded me into a lynchable player, eventually lynched) and now I'm still seeing it especially now. Aegor is still top of my list, and you can quit the charade where you seem to think you have been the only one pushing Aegor when he's been my top scumread since d2/3, can't remember which. But yeah, you're a possibility if Aegor is somehow town.

The last two questions can be answered in one: my motivation for mafia is at an all time low just now, and this will probably be my last game for a period of time.

[beastcharizard]

He said you were scum.

I trust him that if he is town, which he most likely is, he knows what he is talking about.

That is not what you said. You said that Mac "convinced" you. Now you are saying that you are just sheeping Mac. They are two completely different things. You admit, then, that Mac has presented no actual reasons to think I am scum and therefore there is no way he could actually convince you or anyone else?

And you seem to have an absurd amount of faith in a player that has contributed...hmm...let's say.......

nothing

of substance to this game. And, that aside, cannot even tell us what his role is.

[beastcharizard]

Accidently hit enter I guess.

1. You don't see the neighborhood.
2. They claimed doctor and doctor they are. What kind of Doctor doesn't matter since a scum doctor in general makes no sense.
3. He claimed his real role in neighborhood and then after death in thread. That is pretty town.
4. Fine, I convinced myself to trust Mac. Pretty much the same thing. Either way Mac is the main reason I am voting you.

[Aegor]

1. You are correct. Which is why I am asking you to explain in what way Mac actually convinced you. I do not understand why eliciting an answer is so difficult. Is there even one at all?
2. Mac claimed even-night doctor. Then he claimed 2-shot doctor. And there is still no verification whatsoever that he is, indeed, a Doctor.