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[Shiny Hydreigon]

I domt mind killing saki, however

[Sharpest-knife-on-tree]

@Jordan-

what post was this initial plan that Sharpest is trying to scum-derail?

I specifically didn't post the full plan until today, just now, in the post you clearly read. I'll post the back and forth between me and SKOT where he tried to derail it under a spoiler.

Spoiler: A bunch of quotes you should have already read.

Claim: Polarity locker. We can target a player at the beginning of the night and they will not be able to change their polarity. I'm not sure how utility that is, but it specifically notes that it will not be blocked by polarity, and is a 'neutral shot.'

It is positive utility to have the town at a neutral polarity, or as close to a neutral alignment as possible. This gives us extra information we can use when solving for alignment. To this end, I suggest no one switch their alignment tonight.

The mod clarified that the NK can be blocked by polarity, which implies to me that 1. The scum team is larger than it would normally be. 2. This game is multiball. 3. There are multiple killing roles.

In order to accurately get knowledge from the polarity mechanic, we need to get a claim from each lynch candidate at L-1 before the hammer.

I'm not telling them to claim what polarity they are. We do not know what polarity they are, unless you've got some special insight you'd like to share with the class. I just want them to attempt to change polarities from what they are now to the other option, and confirm tomorrow whether said change actually happened. Hint: it won't. I can't tell if you're being dense or just scum afraid of my plan.

To anyone doubting my plan here is a brief rundown of how it doesn't hurt us to trust me right now:

1. No one's alignment is known. That means that staying the same and switching have roughly the same chances at being effective.
2. My plan effectively doesn't change anything until I reveal it tomorrow, where we will have a day phase to discuss it. This can only add content to analyze.
3. Should scum be afraid of it, then they will likely kill me tonight, resolving a slot of contention and confirming my alignment, which can only be a good thing for town.
4. If my logic is flawed, we will be able to figure that out, without having changed our play substantially.

There is no reason, at all, from a town POV not to at least humor me tonight.

I honestly don't want an aegor vote just because tso wants it.

Still don't see anyone else sheeping you TSO, do you have a money back guarantee?

aphix

I can understand the sentiment but it was not a TSO push it was more either/or here right?

Also I am not sure the value of your plan.

At worst, my plan does not hurt us. At best, it gives us an advantage over scum. Why not give it a chance. I promise to full reveal tomorrow, as well as the rest of my setup spec so far.

At worst, my plan does not hurt us. At best, it gives us an advantage over scum. Why not give it a chance. I promise to full reveal tomorrow, as well as the rest of my setup spec so far.

there is no way you are going to get full town compliance with this. 1st of all you can be interfered with or blocked so focusing on 1 player is flawed. 2nd you will not get full compliance as each person will make the decision best for there particular role. Add in lurk-a-derps who will not even read the plan. It really does nothing to narrow things in on scum and provide them less place to hide. And I personally am not going to confirm or deny what I am going to do or not do regarding polarity.

Your argument is basically that my plan is going to fail because you will not cooperate. Am I getting that right? Not that there is no benefit to be had, nor that there is a reason not to follow it, but that you (or 'lurk-a-derps') won't. You'd better have a damn good reason should you fail the plan, because I see no town motivation to that. From my POV I believe choosing not to change polarities is optimal play today. Be ready to justify yourself if you don't agree.

My role is confirmable, you're being stupid. If my plan is bad, lynch me for it tomorrow. The goal here is to get as much information as possible. If you don't follow the plan then you'd best have a damn good reason. I'm promising full disclosure tomorrow, so stop being an idiot.

Your argument is basically that my plan is going to fail because you will not cooperate. Am I getting that right? Not that there is no benefit to be had, nor that there is a reason not to follow it, but that you (or 'lurk-a-derps') won't. You'd better have a damn good reason should you fail the plan, because I see no town motivation to that. From my POV I believe choosing not to change polarities is optimal play today. Be ready to justify yourself if you don't agree.

No, I said I am not going to let scum know what I am going to do. People will choose to do what they think is best based on there role or being ignorant of it. It has nothing to do with whether I change my polarity or not, there are others who will not. And what possible benefit is there? Maybe a polarity cop? There is no substance to your plan and thinking you can pick one person to "switch" and try and lock them is fool hardy as it tells scum something they wouldn't know right off the bat.

I WILL EXPLAIN THE BENEFIT TOMORROW. There is no town motivation behind not at least seeing this through. You're not making any reasonable arguments for why you shouldn't give my plan a shot. There is no additional information tonight. The only information is that you don't change alignments. Explain to me how that benefits scum? Our polarities are unknown. Either explain to me using logic why my plan benefits scum or be ready to explain why you didn't fucking listen to me tomorrow.

He never responded to me after 1702 despite posting again before the thread closed.

Hey, mastinhero, would you please be my bestest friend ever and link me to whichever post is the best summary of your talah/jon case? I need to read that ISO and I'd prefer if I didn't have to hunt it down myself. I will if you're not nice though.

you have yet to explain this part of plan. Seriously, you asked why scum would benefit from knowing who you planned to lock and that a person may be doing with polarity. And I did not ignore you, you said explain it further or wait for more tomorrow. I waited. I told you what I was going to do and I told you whatever you were planning wouldn't work. You have not highlighted any of your so called plan as of this day. This all has the appearance of a lot of noise signifying nothing.

[Bulbazak]

Field Polarity:

Light

Vote Count

Shiny Hydreigon (0):
Doublade (1): Titus
Saki (1): Dry-fit
ZZZX (0):
PeregrineV (0):
Spring Starflower (1): ZZZX
Eddie Fenix (0):
TiphaineDeath (0):
Sharpest-knife-on-tree (2): Xayzeck, Jordan_Downey
Dry-fit (3): Saki, RachMarie, Doublade
Malakittens (2): Thor665, Jon_h61
Nachomamma8 (0):
MafiaSSK (0):
Thor665 (0):
Jon_h61 (1): The Necromancers
Xayzeck (1): TiphaineDeath
The Necromancers (0):
Titus (3): Spring Starflower, Sharpest-knife-on-tree, Malakittens
Jordan_Downey (0):
RachMarie (0):

Not Voting (5): Shiny Hydreigon, PeregrineV, Eddie Fenix, Nachomamma8, MafiaSSK

It is day 2. With 20 alive, it takes 11 to lynch. Day ends on Saturday, July 5 at 9:45pm EST. Countdown: (expired on 2014-07-05 21:45:00).

Shiny Hydreigon is V/LA until Wednesday, July 9.

[Bulbazak]

Nachomamma8 has requested to be replaced. Searching for a replacement.

[Thor665]

I domt mind killing saki, however

No one should

[ZZZX]

After reading the Polarity asking I have something interesting to make. Why cant scum basically fake thier polarity? I dont see it being caught unless someone targeted them with an action and it ended up failing. Am I missing something here?

[Thor665]

I submit scum will be forced to be honest about their polarity or be caught out - there are a number of ways it will become a pretty functional backtrack once (and if) a polarity claim happens.
Even if you think it's utterly useless, unless you can describe how it helps scum - I don't see an issue with it.

[PeregrineV]

@Jordan

- I think the sum of your plan is "claim whether you changed polarity the night before." Why would polarities not be included when claiming in general?

Meanwhile,

Vote: Titus

@Titus-

tell me about the composition of your wagon.

[ZZZX]

I submit scum will be forced to be honest about their polarity or be caught out - there are a number of ways it will become a pretty functional backtrack once (and if) a polarity claim happens.
Even if you think it's utterly useless, unless you can describe how it helps scum - I don't see an issue with it.

Well I agree about that but It should not be used to clear someone for sure. Just saying that.

[Antihero]

After reading the Polarity asking I have something interesting to make. Why cant scum basically fake thier polarity? I dont see it being caught unless someone targeted them with an action and it ended up failing. Am I missing something here?

yep.

that thing at the top of vote counts that keep track of the net polarity.

[The Necromancers]

After reading the Polarity asking I have something interesting to make. Why cant scum basically fake thier polarity? I dont see it being caught unless someone targeted them with an action and it ended up failing. Am I missing something here?

yep.

that thing at the top of vote counts that keep track of the net polarity.

[The Necromancers]

VOTE: titus

this is a good wagon and the company is great

[The Necromancers]

thor

1) why is your vote on mala?
2) why is your vote STILL on mala given your jon scumread?

[EddieFenix]

After reading the Polarity asking I have something interesting to make. Why cant scum basically fake thier polarity? I dont see it being caught unless someone targeted them with an action and it ended up failing. Am I missing something here?

I might be over thinking things, but if that night, they decide to switch polarities (from dark to light or vice versa) and someone of that polarity targets them, does that mean the shot or whatever gets absorbed? or does the polarity swap not kick in until the beginning of the next day?? I understand that a dark targeting a light will garner results each time, however I didn't know if someone who was flipping polarities was then targeted by someone of the same polarity would work or not... @.@. Cause then confusion...

[Bulbazak]

Replacing MafiaSSK.

[PeregrineV]

After reading the Polarity asking I have something interesting to make. Why cant scum basically fake thier polarity? I dont see it being caught unless someone targeted them with an action and it ended up failing. Am I missing something here?

I might be over thinking things, but if that night, they decide to switch polarities (from dark to light or vice versa) and someone of that polarity targets them, does that mean the shot or whatever gets absorbed? or does the polarity swap not kick in until the beginning of the next day?? I understand that a dark targeting a light will garner results each time, however I didn't know if someone who was flipping polarities was then targeted by someone of the same polarity would work or not... @.@. Cause then confusion...

• Each night, players may choose to switch their polarity, unless they are told otherwise. These changes will go into effect immediately.
• Night actions will be tuned to a player’s current polarity. If an action hits a player of the opposite polarity, then the action will go through. If an action hits a player of the same polarity, then the action will be absorbed by the player and blocked.
• Polarity changes and actions regarding polarities go into effect before all other actions.

[ZZZX]

After reading the Polarity asking I have something interesting to make. Why cant scum basically fake thier polarity? I dont see it being caught unless someone targeted them with an action and it ended up failing. Am I missing something here?

yep.

that thing at the top of vote counts that keep track of the net polarity.

yea Net Polarity can work.

Anyway why is SS not being voted at all?

[EddieFenix]

Thank you, PV. Hmm... Many thoughts on that.

[RachMarie]

mara could you go in detail why you have a town read on dry fit?

Because you are one of my stronger town reads.

[Shiny Hydreigon]

Jordan has a better chance of being town today, compared to yesterday, but his choosing to not take notice of my unwillingness to claim, and listen to his plan is weird, though I am unsure how well thought through that said plan would be if he were scum

Rach: I unfortunately cant say the same for you, but the way dryfit claimed doesnt make sense for scum at all

[Shiny Hydreigon]

VOTE: mala

[Thor665]

@Jordan

- I think the sum of your plan is "claim whether you changed polarity the night before." Why would polarities not be included when claiming in general?

They would.
This is an additional claim every day.

For instance - Pere, did your polarity change last night? Yes or no?

Well I agree about that but It should not be used to clear someone for sure. Just saying that.

Who has been doing this or saying they intend to do this?

Did you polarity change last night?

thor

1) why is your vote on mala?
2) why is your vote STILL on mala given your jon scumread?

1. Because I haven't unvoted her since you haven't elucidated a town read other than 'OMG soooo town!'
2. Because it is possible to have multiple scumreads? I think the Mala wagon is doing interesting and good things right now, so I think it is worth voting for and advocating at this point in time.

Did your polarity change last night?

[Antihero]

nope

[Titus]

Skim here due to lack of time, if I missed something, do tell me. I haven't had the time because of my cross country trip that I'd like.

@Mastin, both town and scum whiteknight. Your definition is shit. Whiteknighting is posting someone is town without a rational basis. It's precisely what you are doing for quite a few players. You use a lot of words, but your statements are based on associatives with in and of themselves are baseless.

@PV, My wagon is composed of SH --- null lean town, SKOT --- null no real interaction but dropped vote and left, lean scum, Mala is town probably because she's scumreading me right now and she always scumreads me as town, PV --- seems to be engaging in a manuever to read my mislynchability or to sort me. I should have you sorted by the end of the day. Necromancers --- I hope they die so I can see if they were town or scum. Town, they're a liability because they only want to mislynch. As scum, so I'm vindicated as scum going for an easier mislynch.



Why the hell is Dryfit wagoned again? That wagon still sucked shit. And it's by the same fucking jumpers...and Doublade, practically confscum is on it.

Why is no one even looking at Doublade's posts? Seriously...

[Bulbazak]

Bump.