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Post Post #2125 (ISO) » Sat Jun 28, 2014 4:20 pm

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I'm so totally going to use this game after it's finished as an example of why I strategically lurk even as town.

In this case, I've more or less followed along (skimming mainly, though, so I'm going to go back to my last post and begin reading from there), but deliberately not contributing anything 'til right now. And I want to say this.
In post 2124, Malakittens wrote:hmmm, tip might be town afterall
Basically, that.

There was a ton of useful info that cropped up because I let it develop with me being absent. Now that it has developed, though, time to shut down the ZX wagon. Not with absolute conviction, but with a fairly strong certainty I can say he's town. Titus is scum. Spring Starflower is likely scum.

The hops from jon and Jordan also come from scum.

TD pointing it out is reason for him to be town.

And this, just from one page.
But seriously. That ZX wagon reeks of scum so much. Time to get to work dismantling it.
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Post Post #2126 (ISO) » Sat Jun 28, 2014 4:23 pm

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I WHOLEHEARTEDLY AGREE.
No matter how high the stakes, sooner or later you're just gonna have to go with your gut.
And maybe, just maybe, that'll take you right where you were supposed to be.


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Post Post #2127 (ISO) » Sat Jun 28, 2014 4:38 pm

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In post 1944, RachMarie wrote:mara how about dry fit? The aegor wagon really took off in response to that wagon
And the people who switched were mostly town. More than that, look at who pushed the Aegor wagon last-minute. That was basically all TSO.

Why the BLAZES would a scumteam with Dry-fit on it kill the player most strongly defending him? (If your answer is, "...wifom?", I WILL murder you.) Bluntly, they wouldn't. Killing TSO isn't going to be entirely about securing a Dry-fit mislynch, but it's going to have contributed more likely than not. I near-guarantee you that scum-killing-TSO-to-make-Dryfit-easier is more likely than scum-killing-TSO-to-legitimize-Dryfit.
In post 1950, Shiny Hydreigon wrote:I domt mind killing saki, however
Saki's contributions have been minimal, but when present, look at them. Minimalistic content != no content. Saki can be read. And what I see points to being town. (Even if Saki's main contribution has been voting...pay attention to who Saki's voting, and why. It's not out of opportunism. It's because Saki spotted something and moved there because Saki thinks they're scum.)

A lynch on Saki would be policy and policy alone. Tell me, what info would be gained from a Sakiscumflip other than that Saki was in fact scum?
Same for Saki being town.

...I thought so.

If I'm wrong on Saki being town, you can afford to wait, saving it for later. Let's lynch confirmed scumbags first.
In post 1933, Jordan_Downey wrote:Please, mastin, tell me what about my plan is beneficial to scum.
Hmm, let's see. Assuming you're scum, that's one role affecting polarity. Assume the scum have at least one more. That's two. If you run through the scenarios with you as town, assume they instead have a role similar to yours. The scum benefit becomes clear immediately.
First, he's subtly directing people to not follow the plan. He's outright stating that it will fail. This is leading town towards not even attempting to follow the plan.
"Subtle" and "outright" are practically antonyms. :neutral:
3. How is scum going to derail a plan they don't have details on, other than exactly how SKOT tried (and succeeded) to? How is scum going to turn my strategy into a benefit to them without the details? How is this plan in any way breakable?
Scum. have. polarity. roles. Simple as that. Additionally, scum know about their own polarities, whereas town players only know their own. It's as simple as that. Other than this, I already answered in the very post you quoted.
In post 1932, Jordan_Downey wrote:Hey, mastinhero, would you please be my bestest friend ever and link me to whichever post is the best summary of your talah/jon case? I need to read that ISO and I'd prefer if I didn't have to hunt it down myself. I will if you're not nice though.
(Jordan is talah/jon's scumbuddy.)

The case does not have a singular summary. Quite literally, iso mastin2 and search for the text on 'talah'. Each time it crops up, you get one piece of the case.
When our account is activated, you can do the same, until jon comes in...at which point, you can do the same for him.

(Also, 'cause I said so.)
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Post Post #2128 (ISO) » Sat Jun 28, 2014 4:43 pm

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In post 2127, The Necromancers wrote:(If your answer is, "...wifom?", I WILL murder you.)
damn...


...maybe i
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Post Post #2129 (ISO) » Sat Jun 28, 2014 4:50 pm

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nah, im pretty town


but yeah i do agree that the zx wagon reeks of scum. welp.
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Post Post #2130 (ISO) » Sat Jun 28, 2014 4:54 pm

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In post 1957, PeregrineV wrote:
@Jordan
- I think the sum of your plan is "claim whether you changed polarity the night before." Why would polarities not be included when claiming in general?

Vote: Titus

@Titus-
tell me about the composition of your wagon.
Also, PV's town.
In post 1973, Titus wrote:You use a lot of words, but your statements are based on associatives with in and of themselves are baseless.
Nope! My reads all form individually for the most part, off of players' posting, mindset, tone, and with meta augmentation when applicable. Each strong on their own. THEN come interactions, which solidify things and fill in the gaps, especially where meta is absent or shaky. Interactions are all nice'n'shiny and stuff, but they're my final form of hammering-in something, not my preliminary method.

You're scum off of everything, not off of just a jon defense. The jon defense just so happens to be included in the everything. :cool:
In post 1961, The Necromancers wrote:VOTE: titus
this is a good wagon and the company is great
^That. I fully support it, obv.
In post 1975, Bulbazak wrote:Doublade (1): Titus
Saki (1): Dry-fit
Spring Starflower (1): ZZZX
Sharpest-knife-on-tree (2): Xayzeck, Jordan_Downey
Dry-fit (3): Saki, RachMarie, Doublade
Malakittens (3): Thor665, Jon_h61, Shiny Hydreigon
Xayzeck (1): TiphaineDeath
Titus (5): Spring Starflower, Sharpest-knife-on-tree, Malakittens, PeregrineV, The Necromancers
Not Voting (3): Eddie Fenix, Nachomamma8, MafiaSSK
Imma gona go all arbitrary on ya and say average of one scum on each distribution:
-1 wagons: {
Titus
, Dry-Fit, ZZZX, TiphaineDeath}
-2 wagons: {Xayzeck,
Jordan_Downey
}
-3 wagons {Saki, RachMarie, Doublade} vs {Thor665,
Jon_h61
, Shiny Hydreigon} vs {Eddie Fenix, Nachomamma8, MafiaSSK}
-5 wagon: {
Spring Starflower
, Sharpest-knife-on-tree, Malakittens, PeregrineV, Necromancers}

Except maybe having an extra scum in the two.

Butyeah. This Titus wagon is awesome. The Malakittens wagon sucked. The SKOT wagon sucked. The Dry-fit wagon was understandable, perhaps towndriven, even if ultimately obviously wrong. And scum are likely to have presence in random spots with random distribution, since the Titus wagon was brand new right here. Compare this to what we later get and you'll understand why Titus is scum.
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Post Post #2131 (ISO) » Sat Jun 28, 2014 4:56 pm

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In post 2129, Spring Starflower wrote:but yeah i do agree that the zx wagon reeks of scum. welp.
*cough you're voting on it cough cough*
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Post Post #2132 (ISO) » Sat Jun 28, 2014 4:58 pm

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yeah i know. they are probably policy bussing



just imagine i am conftown and stick that in your head willya?
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Post Post #2133 (ISO) » Sat Jun 28, 2014 4:59 pm

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zx super tunnel on me and refusal to scumhunt is major throw-off from his usual play so im policy lynching him.
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Post Post #2134 (ISO) » Sat Jun 28, 2014 5:00 pm

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Sonic's policy:

Code: Select all

Best case scenario: Flip scum. Worst case scenario: flip anti-town VT.
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Post Post #2135 (ISO) » Sat Jun 28, 2014 5:00 pm

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So much shit posted. Gah...now I know how people feel. Just responding to the last page.

Necro, no one is a confirmed scumbag. Also did you ever think I could be town? Nope. You're still beating a dead horse trying to make a dead townie. Basically you're in confbias. Most players have used this to investigate others given time and my inability to respond.

When I am back, I do plan to show at least 2 or 3 scum with solid evidence. I just need to verify a few posts when I am less jetlagged.

Again, you used a lot of words but haven't shown how the tone is reflective. Also, you assume 1 universal way of speaking. Moonlogic is because I lack that speech.

As for your wagon analysis, it is easy to find a theory thst fits confbias.

Let's see if you can do intellectual honesty. Suppose I am frustrated town. Where does that leave you?
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Post Post #2136 (ISO) » Sat Jun 28, 2014 5:09 pm

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In post 1987, ZZZX wrote:Spring Starflower has been lurking way worse than me. And his posts were pretty passive and had nothing like the things Metal Sonic would do. This is really driving me into trust Spring Starflower is scum. GUYS why doesnt anyone see this?
Seriously, this dude is town.
In post 1986, Dry-fit wrote:I feel like mala's semi-claim was pretty town. Not a fan of that wagon.
malakittens wrote:Thor I really don't see wagoning me is going to accomplish anything.
This quote does seem kind of weird though. I mean, in what situation would you think a wagon on yourself
would
accomplish anything?
What happened to the jon wagon? It was pretty decent.
Also really like this post from Dry-fit.
In post 1996, Titus wrote:TiphaineDeath, why are you suddenly voting this naked vote? There were shit tons on Dryfit and what not. What's so irritating about that one?
And Titus defends Spring.
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Post Post #2137 (ISO) » Sat Jun 28, 2014 5:11 pm

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please take for granted that i am town in this game please.

it will save everyone's time instead of listening to your pointless speculation and musings
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Post Post #2138 (ISO) » Sat Jun 28, 2014 5:15 pm

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Spring, that's all they've got Spring. That is why the wagon on me stalled. Mastin's wagon is I don't like the way Titus talks. Newsflash, no one likes me early. Then he says whoever I defend is scum. I am debating saying everyone's tiwn to punk him. That or something else.

Why is ZZX tunneling you? Where did he first place his vote on you?
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Post Post #2139 (ISO) » Sat Jun 28, 2014 5:15 pm

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In post 2132, Spring Starflower wrote:yeah i know. they are probably policy bussing
Not a town thought.
In post 2133, Spring Starflower wrote:zx super tunnel on me and refusal to scumhunt is major throw-off from his usual play so im policy lynching him.
Blatantly false, since ZX spent a considerable amount of time trying to get a read on you AND has explained his reasoning for you AND has been scumhunting everyone in his own unique way.
In post 2134, Spring Starflower wrote:Sonic's policy:
Best case scenario: Flip scum. Worst case scenario: flip anti-town VT.
And I've seen your treatment of ZX. In a twist of irony, this is not a town-you's treatment of him. You know he is not as anti-town as he seems.

...Also, I don't recall ZX roleclaiming. :shifty:
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Post Post #2140 (ISO) » Sat Jun 28, 2014 5:19 pm

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In post 2135, Titus wrote:Necro, no one is a confirmed scumbag.
jon is.
Also did you ever think I could be town?
Yep, all the time.

This simply isn't a town-you, though.

Like, I see the effort to look town.

I don't see being town.
As for your wagon analysis, it is easy to find a theory thst fits confbias.
That was an arbitrary casually-done VCA. If I wanted to make a point off of it, I would. (Though, I kinda have already.)
Suppose I am frustrated town. Where does that leave you?
Exactly where I am now, minus one scumread.

My reads do not change with you as town because you being scum did not create my reads, merely strengthen them.
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Post Post #2141 (ISO) » Sat Jun 28, 2014 5:23 pm

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In post 2138, Titus wrote:Mastin's wagon is I don't like the way Titus talks.
Also blatantly false.

We've shown, throughout our iso, exactly why this is your scumgame to a T.

You're not town-Titus. I'd be happy to work with a town-Titus. But you aren't. Your tone (how you talk) contributes, but it's also how you're treating others and the stances you're taking. They simply don't come from a town-Titus and yet make absolutely perfect sense coming from the mindset of TituScum.
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Post Post #2142 (ISO) » Sat Jun 28, 2014 5:26 pm

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In post 1987, ZZZX wrote:Spring Starflower has been lurking way worse than me. And his posts were pretty passive and had nothing like the things Metal Sonic would do. This is really driving me into trust Spring Starflower is scum.
how is this town?
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Post Post #2143 (ISO) » Sat Jun 28, 2014 5:28 pm

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Yeah, just isoed ZX.

No VT claim.
At all.

Mesthinks someone might have slipped that they're a rolecop. :shifty:

Also also, just realized.
The mechanic between ZX and MS is a lot like a newb version of the mechanic between AP and myself.
So now I AM absolutely sure. ZX is town. No way in hell does his progression this game come from scum. Ever.
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Post Post #2144 (ISO) » Sat Jun 28, 2014 5:31 pm

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In post 2139, The Necromancers wrote:
In post 2132, Spring Starflower wrote:yeah i know. they are probably policy bussing
Not a town thought.
In post 2133, Spring Starflower wrote:zx super tunnel on me and refusal to scumhunt is major throw-off from his usual play so im policy lynching him.
Blatantly false, since ZX spent a considerable amount of time trying to get a read on you AND has explained his reasoning for you AND has been scumhunting everyone in his own unique way.
In post 2134, Spring Starflower wrote:Sonic's policy:
Best case scenario: Flip scum. Worst case scenario: flip anti-town VT.
And I've seen your treatment of ZX. In a twist of irony, this is not a town-you's treatment of him. You know he is not as anti-town as he seems.

...Also, I don't recall ZX roleclaiming. :shifty:
I really don't care about your baseless claims in this game because neither my or my partner is engaged, so

No, just no.

He has not been scumhunting at all. He parked vote on me for entirety of yesterday and today. Don't be lame.

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Titus, don't you dare instigate. I've rarely seen you AtE and in fact I want you flipped myself.

P-edit: I can make assumptions like you do, mastin. If he flips town PR I'll eat my hat.
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Post Post #2145 (ISO) » Sat Jun 28, 2014 5:31 pm

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In post 2142, Xayzeck wrote:
In post 1987, ZZZX wrote:Spring Starflower has been lurking way worse than me. And his posts were pretty passive and had nothing like the things Metal Sonic would do. This is really driving me into trust Spring Starflower is scum.
how is this town?
Dear god, it couldn't be that obvious.

It really couldn't be that obvious, could it, Anti?

jon/Titus/Jordan/Spring/Xayzeck.

Fuck, I want it to be that obvious.



...To answer, though. That post is ridiculously, RIDICULOUSLY town. ZX is pointing out his long history with Metal Sonic, and why it makes him scum.
Take it from the person who did this with talah, AND has done it on AP (and been ignored :igmeou:), that I can recognize it. Really can't be more obvious.
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Post Post #2146 (ISO) » Sat Jun 28, 2014 5:33 pm

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In post 2143, The Necromancers wrote:Mesthinks someone might have slipped that they're a rolecop.
By the way, you don't need to be a rolecop to know someone's alignment and/or role. You should know better; you make assumptions like that all the time.
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Post Post #2147 (ISO) » Sat Jun 28, 2014 5:33 pm

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Necro, bullshit. Except for Jon most of your scumreads emerge after I defended someone according to you.

Just stating I am not town is not evidence. Do a formal proof. Premise: If Titus does this she is x percent likely to be scum.
Fact: Titus posted this in Game X.
Fact: Titus posted this in game Y.
Fact: Titus posted this in this game.
Conclusion: Titus usually does this as scum, therefore she is more likely to be scum.


How is Jon confscum? Why are you not voting Confscum? My vote is on Doublade cuz they are obvscum to me which is closest to confscum without a cop. Yet you are pushing me over confirmed scum. You don't like me, but even according to your readstrength you are playing suboptimally.

I got one.

Premise: If I amwagoned early and is poorly understood, I am town.
Fact: Most games where I am wagoned early, I am town.
Fact: I, playing by myself, never get wagoned early as scum. Check my last few scum games but street racers.
Fact: Moonlogic is what caused the confusion.
Fact: Moonlogic is Titus speaking in Titusese.
Fact: No one gets my push on Doublade.
Conclusion: Titus is town.
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Post Post #2148 (ISO) » Sat Jun 28, 2014 5:33 pm

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In post 2144, Spring Starflower wrote:I really don't care about your baseless claims in this game because neither my or my partner is engaged, so
No, just no.
He has not been scumhunting at all. He parked vote on me for entirety of yesterday and today. Don't be lame.
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Post Post #2149 (ISO) » Sat Jun 28, 2014 5:34 pm

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Necro, let's suppose arguendo SS is a rolecop and I am scum. You think they would not check you? Please.
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