Ikaruga Mafia (Game Over!)

[Spring Starflower]

you think zzzx is a good scumhunter, mastin? you think zzzx can read me at all?

lol

P-edit: she thinks I would be checking ZZZX over herself! lol!

[Spring Starflower]

please take for granted that i am town in this game please.

I'm not going to repeat this again.

[The Necromancers]

Necro, bullshit. Except for Jon most of your scumreads emerge after I defended someone according to you.

Really, now.

Jordan was a scumread on D1.
Xayzeck was a scumread at times D1.
Spring was made a scumread first off of essentially VCA.

You helped solidify them.
You did not create them.

Just stating I am not town is not evidence. Do a formal proof.

We already have, more or less, throughout our iso.

How is Jon confscum?

Because we said so.

Why are you not voting Confscum?

We were. We'll move back in a heartbeat if a wagon opportunity presents itself. However, we're pursuing the lynch of other scum. (You.) There's more support, and it's more informative.

Also, cut the rest since it's also basically false and I know multiple parts of it to not hold up.

[The Necromancers]

you think zzzx is a good scumhunter, mastin? you think zzzx can read me at all?

Yes and yes.

Necro, let's suppose arguendo SS is a rolecop and I am scum. You think they would not check you? Please.

Not if Jon targeted us instead.

Spring as a rolecop targets someone he vaguely would target as town. (See also: Xeno, where he truthfully claimed his rolecop targets.) ZX fits the profile absolutely perfectly. In fact, I'd argue there's no player here that Spring would target OTHER than ZX.

[The Necromancers]

Necro, bullshit. Except for Jon most of your scumreads emerge after I defended someone according to you.

well, you do have a history of hard defending your partners.


and i'd say our little spat is really fucking reminiscent of how do you want to die? day 2.

-antihero

[Titus]

Nah...it's not matching Anti bc I am not scum.

Mastin, I find it funny how your confirmations appeared after I "defended" those players.

You haven't done a fomal proof. You can put your meta args in that form if they are more than wordchoice.

You've seen my teams. Scum Jon resists Scum Titus to do whatever....hahaha no.

[Titus]

Good night. I am out here for another day but bleh saw this shit still.

[Malakittens]

yeah i know. they are probably policy bussing

Not a town thought.

zx super tunnel on me and refusal to scumhunt is major throw-off from his usual play so im policy lynching him.

Blatantly false, since ZX spent a considerable amount of time trying to get a read on you AND has explained his reasoning for you AND has been scumhunting everyone in his own unique way.

Sonic's policy:
Best case scenario: Flip scum. Worst case scenario: flip anti-town VT.

And I've seen your treatment of ZX. In a twist of irony, this is not a town-you's treatment of him. You know he is not as anti-town as he seems.

...Also, I don't recall ZX roleclaiming.

I really don't care about your baseless claims in this game because neither my or my partner is engaged, so

No, just no.

He has not been scumhunting at all. He parked vote on me for entirety of yesterday and today. Don't be lame.

___

Titus, don't you dare instigate. I've rarely seen you AtE and in fact I want you flipped myself.

P-edit: I can make assumptions like you do, mastin. If he flips town PR I'll eat my hat.

Actually I need to dig up something from an old hydra chat. I have a tell on titus, but i can't remember exactly what it is off the top of my head

Makes sense w/ the point you are making in teh bold though.

[The Necromancers]

You said they are "usually" bad, suggesting that you think it was probably bad but leaving yourself an out if I flip town.

This same logic can be applied to literally anyone who says a player is probably-town or probably-scum.

VOTE: ZZZX

(Bad vote slightly more likely to come from scum.)

Well I'm dark locked if it helps you any.
At least I won't have to post on my vacation if it's a real vig.

(Bad reaction more likely to come from scum than not--no readslist, including the darklocked without a claim of other things like role, and overall flatness of response.)

Necro --- I hope he's scum
Mala --- back to a null read
Thor -- Town
Doublade --- Scum
Jon --- Town
Dryfit --- Town
At least one jumper on the Dryfit wagon voting dryfit today is scum.
I'm still trying to interact with the rest of the players, so we'll see for reads on the rest... but I doubt I'll get the time.

(Gave the readslist, but it's extremely limited, had to be prompted for it, and does not go to interact with the other players as promised.)

>still ignoring mastin's talah cases.
>according the vote count, the only people who have voted jon are ... mala and us. so how you can assert the wagon "took off" is beyond reason.

^This.

[The Necromancers]

Why are you scum reading me? Please don't go, Necro's case, because that's just a non-case.

Again blatantly false, since they're right there.

Quite fucking serious, control-f mastin2 for 'talah'.
Then us for the same, then continuing into jon.

There is no better way to explain it other than to read that progression yourself.

@Eddie - She's changed her story to a wagon that had some verbal support - as opposed to a wagon that had voting support. She is well aware that there were no votes on the wagon. Stop flogging a horse and react to the new stance.

You could too, by voting her.

[TiphaineDeath]

Give in to your anger Necro, join me and together we will rule this thread!

[The Necromancers]

Why is starflower scum?

Because he contains Metal Sonic yet he is not using gambits. he is playing passively, He isnt even scum hunting, He is active lurking.
And Town Metal Sonic does all of the above.

Like, any town player who sees this as scum should be ashamed of themselves.

Have to admit, I don't really buy it.

Fuck off, Thor.

Saying you're doing work and not doing it is one thing.

Saying you lost 25 pages of your novel is another thing.
If ZX is scum faking

that

, then he is a monster.
You don't joke about losing work on your stories.

(May or may not be serious.)

1. I have one person who I feel as good as scum slipped, that no one will listen to me about. (Spring)
2. I have one person whose reads list is squishier than rotten bannanas and I was scumreading before the other guys slip made me think he was town. (zzx)
3. I have one person who in their previous incarnation quietly lurked and was disgustingly scummy when they posted, and hasn't really done much to redeem themselves. (Titus)
4. And finally I have one person who was scummy all of yesterday, hasn't really done much today, I pushed all of yesterday, and when I finally got off him the guy who pushed him slightly more than i did died. (Xay)
The only good news is that there is no way spring and zzx are scum together which makes me lean towards voting one of them.
Can people who haven't responded to me yet, and who are on non-spring wagons tell me why they disagree that spring is scum?

This was a good post, btw.

Doublade (1): Titus
Saki (1): Dry-fit
ZZZX (5): Thor665, Xayzeck, Eddie Fenix, RachMarie, Doublade
Spring Starflower (2): ZZZX, TiphaineDeath
Sharpest-knife-on-tree (1): Jordan_Downey
Dry-fit (1): Saki
Malakittens (2): Jon_h61, Shiny Hydreigon
Titus (5): Spring Starflower, Sharpest-knife-on-tree, Malakittens, PeregrineV, The Necromancers
Not Voting (2): Nachomamma8, MafiaSSK

Keep in mind--last VC, ZX had one vote: Thor's.

Four votes, in such a short timeframe.

I love your enthusiasm. Kill em all, let Mod sort em out! No seriously, I have a gut Town read, we'll see if you've fooled me, in time.

Scum buddying.

@ ZZZK You've Town read both Thor and I, promising a post later to explain more. Is it later yet?
VOTE: ZZZK

Scum voting.

Rest basically was addressing scumbuddies. (Titus and Jordan.)

oh good lord this sounds like distancing- maybe mastin is right about the slot after all...

'Course I am. Happens more often than people thing, yaknow!

my wish came true. please flip scum.
VOTE: zzzx

Scumtastic "policy" vote on ZX, seventh vote.

VOTE: zzzx
I'm not even concerned that all of his list is scum or I'm not talking about it, suspicion tends to come from town. I don't like the fact that he says, I have these reads. I have these reads. I got a read list typed up blah blah. Then when he gets his reads, they are all crap. It's like he looked at the activity log and that's where most his reads came from. Like he is not reading the game at all or paying attention to much. It all feels quite like he's trying to look lack a lazy I don't know whats going on town and not being very successful at it.

Bad, overly-elaborate reasoning for vote, eighth vote on the wagon.

All of this? Was sparked by this.

How bout this thor, titus stalled hard, and as soon as I started actually advocating for another counter wagon at all there were three more votes on ZZX. If one of titus or Spring isn't scum I will eat my hat.

Which is perfectly true. Titus is being wagoned.
The chance of a wagon on Spring came up.
Then, suddenly, the ZX wagon explodes.

This is a scum wagon.

[Bulbazak]

Field Polarity:

Light

Vote Count

Shiny Hydreigon (0):
Doublade (1): Titus
Saki (2): Dry-fit, ZZZX
ZZZX (8): Thor665, Xayzeck, Eddie Fenix, RachMarie, Doublade, Jon_h61, Spring Starflower, Jordan_Downey
PeregrineV (0):
Spring Starflower (2): TiphaineDeath, Nero Cain
Eddie Fenix (0):
TiphaineDeath (0):
Sharpest-knife-on-tree (0):
Dry-fit (1): Saki
Malakittens (1): Shiny Hydreigon
Nachomamma8 (0):
Nero Cain (0):
Thor665 (0):
Jon_h61 (0):
Xayzeck (0):
The Necromancers (0):
Titus (4): Sharpest-knife-on-tree, Malakittens, PeregrineV, The Necromancers
Jordan_Downey (0):
RachMarie (0):

Not Voting (1): Nachomamma8

It is day 2. With 20 alive, it takes 11 to lynch. Day ends on Saturday, July 5 at 9:45pm EST. Countdown: (expired on 2014-07-05 21:45:00).

Searching for a replacement for Nachomamma8.

Titus is V/LA until Monday, June 30.
Shiny Hydreigon is V/LA until Wednesday, July 9.

[The Necromancers]

Doublade (1): Titus
Saki (2): Dry-fit, ZZZX
ZZZX (8): Thor665, Xayzeck, Eddie Fenix, RachMarie, Doublade, Jon_h61, Spring Starflower, Jordan_Downey
Spring Starflower (2): TiphaineDeath, Nero Cain
Dry-fit (1): Saki
Malakittens (1): Shiny Hydreigon
Titus (4): Sharpest-knife-on-tree, Malakittens, PeregrineV, The Necromancers
Not Voting (1): Nachomamma8

So even if it weren't for me scumreading them anyway, I'd be thinking all members of the scumteam aside from Titus on the ZX wagon. (Titus of course would stay off for as long as possible, but can join for the sake of self-preservation to turn it null instead of scum later-on.)

But this wagon is peaking here. Aside from the remote chance that Nacho's scum, it's not going to grow any larger.

Aside from the fact that it has me firmly planting my foot down in opposition to it and I am a very loud voice to be heard, there's also the names off of it. ZX isn't going to lynch himself. Dry-fit I believe townread ZX, and at the very least, hasn't had a problem voting with ZX. TiphaineDeath has scumread ZX, and is the scum's best bet for getting that extra vote. (They only need one more.) But he's not going to join because he thinks that Spring/ZX can't be scum together and that Spring is far more likely scum between the two.

Nero under normal circumstances might, but given strong players in opposition and trust he places in them, along-side logic, and he's not going to join the wagon, either. Saki's impulsive, but not in that way; Saki would do the analysis and is capable of concluding that ZX is town, thus, a bad lynch. Mara also won't be that keen to join, especially given so many players giving resistance, and everyone still on the Titus wagon obviously won't.

Aside from gambling on Nacho's replacement, the wagon simply will not go through. Especially since if I am successful in my reach-outs, town players on the wagon will be more prone to hopping off, and maybe onto Titus.

The ZX wagon sprung up because Titus/Spring were the alternatives, and the scum didn't like that. So like with the Jordan near-mislynch, they needed an alternative. On D1, it was both Aegor and Dry-fit. (They didn't care which died.) Today, it is ZX. (They need him dead.)

It's really not that hard.

[Sharpest-knife-on-tree]

heh, I had already concluded that ZZZx was town after my probe. I was surprised that now we have zzzx as top run up.

[ZZZX]

my wish came true. please flip scum.

VOTE: zzzx

nah, im pretty town


but yeah i do agree that the zx wagon reeks of scum. welp.

yeah i know. they are probably policy bussing

Not a town thought.

zx super tunnel on me and refusal to scumhunt is major throw-off from his usual play so im policy lynching him.

Blatantly false, since ZX spent a considerable amount of time trying to get a read on you AND has explained his reasoning for you AND has been scumhunting everyone in his own unique way.

Sonic's policy:
Best case scenario: Flip scum. Worst case scenario: flip anti-town VT.

And I've seen your treatment of ZX. In a twist of irony, this is not a town-you's treatment of him. You know he is not as anti-town as he seems.

...Also, I don't recall ZX roleclaiming.

you think zzzx is a good scumhunter, mastin? you think zzzx can read me at all?

lol

P-edit: she thinks I would be checking ZZZX over herself! lol!

please take for granted that i am town in this game please.

I'm not going to repeat this again.

Why is starflower scum?

Because he contains Metal Sonic yet he is not using gambits. he is playing passively, He isnt even scum hunting, He is active lurking.
And Town Metal Sonic does all of the above.

Like, any town player who sees this as scum should be ashamed of themselves.

Have to admit, I don't really buy it.

Fuck off, Thor.

Saying you're doing work and not doing it is one thing.

Saying you lost 25 pages of your novel is another thing.
If ZX is scum faking

that

, then he is a monster.
You don't joke about losing work on your stories.

(May or may not be serious.)

1. I have one person who I feel as good as scum slipped, that no one will listen to me about. (Spring)
2. I have one person whose reads list is squishier than rotten bannanas and I was scumreading before the other guys slip made me think he was town. (zzx)
3. I have one person who in their previous incarnation quietly lurked and was disgustingly scummy when they posted, and hasn't really done much to redeem themselves. (Titus)
4. And finally I have one person who was scummy all of yesterday, hasn't really done much today, I pushed all of yesterday, and when I finally got off him the guy who pushed him slightly more than i did died. (Xay)
The only good news is that there is no way spring and zzx are scum together which makes me lean towards voting one of them.
Can people who haven't responded to me yet, and who are on non-spring wagons tell me why they disagree that spring is scum?

This was a good post, btw.

Doublade (1): Titus
Saki (1): Dry-fit
ZZZX (5): Thor665, Xayzeck, Eddie Fenix, RachMarie, Doublade
Spring Starflower (2): ZZZX, TiphaineDeath
Sharpest-knife-on-tree (1): Jordan_Downey
Dry-fit (1): Saki
Malakittens (2): Jon_h61, Shiny Hydreigon
Titus (5): Spring Starflower, Sharpest-knife-on-tree, Malakittens, PeregrineV, The Necromancers
Not Voting (2): Nachomamma8, MafiaSSK

Keep in mind--last VC, ZX had one vote: Thor's.

Four votes, in such a short timeframe.

I love your enthusiasm. Kill em all, let Mod sort em out! No seriously, I have a gut Town read, we'll see if you've fooled me, in time.

Scum buddying.

@ ZZZK You've Town read both Thor and I, promising a post later to explain more. Is it later yet?
VOTE: ZZZK

Scum voting.

Rest basically was addressing scumbuddies. (Titus and Jordan.)

oh good lord this sounds like distancing- maybe mastin is right about the slot after all...

'Course I am. Happens more often than people thing, yaknow!

my wish came true. please flip scum.
VOTE: zzzx

Scumtastic "policy" vote on ZX, seventh vote.

VOTE: zzzx
I'm not even concerned that all of his list is scum or I'm not talking about it, suspicion tends to come from town. I don't like the fact that he says, I have these reads. I have these reads. I got a read list typed up blah blah. Then when he gets his reads, they are all crap. It's like he looked at the activity log and that's where most his reads came from. Like he is not reading the game at all or paying attention to much. It all feels quite like he's trying to look lack a lazy I don't know whats going on town and not being very successful at it.

Bad, overly-elaborate reasoning for vote, eighth vote on the wagon.

All of this? Was sparked by this.

How bout this thor, titus stalled hard, and as soon as I started actually advocating for another counter wagon at all there were three more votes on ZZX. If one of titus or Spring isn't scum I will eat my hat.

Which is perfectly true. Titus is being wagoned.
The chance of a wagon on Spring came up.
Then, suddenly, the ZX wagon explodes.

This is a scum wagon.

heh, I had already concluded that ZZZx was town after my probe. I was surprised that now we have zzzx as top run up.

I have somethings to say. First of all Metal Sonic activity incressed 700% after calling him out! Aweasom.

2nd: This Metal Sonic read me wrong this game. Makes me more sure of my scum read on him. I am not playing diffrently from any other time and metal knows my scum meta and knows this isnt it. I am trying to push him to post but he refuses.

He calls my wagon full of scum yet he joins it. What the *?

The Necro is defending me (He was since day 1 basically) and I am not sure if its whiteknighting or just thoughtful player. I assume the latter.

Well those quotes were interesting so I quoted them. Try to read them instead of the last few pages to see what kind of BS MS is doing. That is not freaking town Sonic

[jon_h61]

Kill me now, please! I'm to the point that if Necro's Town, I don't care any more. I want them to have to eat their words. This crap has to end, but it'll be worth it, just to blow their credibility to bits.

Come get me Necro, call all your dogs!
VOTE: The Necromancers

My goal now is to make them eat their words. Confscum my ass!!!

[ZZZX]

P-edit: What crap jon? Calling me town is crap? Thanks.

Anyway back to the SS wagon

Vote: Spring Starflower

He also called me for not scum hunting while he didnt even try to LOL

[jon_h61]

What crap jon? Calling me town is crap? Thanks.

Necro's crap reads, his calling me confscum, all the crap they're spouting, as if they knew what they're talking about. I think it's funny how they can spout all this b#llsh!t, but they don't vote me. If they were Town, and really thought I was confscum, does it make sense avoiding voting me? They're not, they're just creating confusion. and lining up future Town deaths. Please Town, don't let them take out too many Town slots before you believe it.


Anyone who'll defend Saki saying they have "reasons" for posts like "." is full of it. They're making this crap up as they go.

I think Necro's psycho-babble is just that, babble. I'm so jaded by them, I'd be tempted to vote with confscum in LYLO against them, even if they were Mod confirmed Town. If they were Town, I'd beg scum to let me join their team, just so I could try to kill them without a guilty conscience.

The Necro's are guaranteed, certified, 110% scum, deserving the fate that all scums deserve.

To those that think Necro

might

be Town, they will never get off their high horse while I'm alive. Just remember, after I flip, they have a very high chance of being scum. I know it's hard, but look at their posts for what they are. Just reads they miraculously KNOW, but have been consistently wrong so far. And lots of psycho-babble, and mumble jumble. Their reads are crap.

[Titus]

Jon, Necro has caught my infamous Titus tunnel syndrome. While I can't rule out he is scum, he probably is not. His actions take steps to avoid criticsm of his logic. Scum generally want to look unassailable and respond to everything. They are so paranoid I am scum that they are refusing reason. Scum Mastin would probably rephrase and clarify. If I lynched Necro, it would be policy and hoping I was wrong. It is annoying to have loud town come after you. Yet we can see it is blustering. Given Mastin's persuasiveness, it is best to have him investigated.

[Titus]

P-edit: What crap jon? Calling me town is crap? Thanks.

Anyway back to the SS wagon

Vote: Spring Starflower

He also called me for not scum hunting while he didnt even try to LOL

Can you rephrase the debate between you and SS please?

[The Necromancers]

Jon, Necro has caught my infamous Titus tunnel syndrome. While I can't rule out he is scum, he probably is not. His actions take steps to avoid criticsm of his logic. Scum generally want to look unassailable and respond to everything. They are so paranoid I am scum that they are refusing reason. Scum Mastin would probably rephrase and clarify. If I lynched Necro, it would be policy and hoping I was wrong. It is annoying to have loud town come after you. Yet we can see it is blustering. Given Mastin's persuasiveness, it is best to have him investigated.

hi titus. it's antihero, your most favorite person in the world!

a hard reset might be incoming for me anyway. while jon's meltdown is hypocritical, i'm thinking it might be genuine.

a great way to help me in this is to
>please walk me through your Doublade scum read (please don't tell me your argument is just "marquis wanted the thread locked")
>walk me through ... any read.

i actually think the rolecop slip from spring might be legit because the recovery afterwards doesn't look very convincing.

[EddieFenix]

Jon, Necro has caught my infamous Titus tunnel syndrome. While I can't rule out he is scum, he probably is not. His actions take steps to avoid criticsm of his logic. Scum generally want to look unassailable and respond to everything. They are so paranoid I am scum that they are refusing reason. Scum Mastin would probably rephrase and clarify. If I lynched Necro, it would be policy and hoping I was wrong. It is annoying to have loud town come after you. Yet we can see it is blustering. Given Mastin's persuasiveness, it is best to have him investigated.

Unvote

I would take Necro's posting as one that has that, "if this builds up a good enough wagon, I'm going to hammer it/keep trying to ratchet it up to get this the way I want it." I do like Jon's spunk and willingness to fight/dance with TheNecromancers.

[Titus]

the fact that the mod has to keep asserting the field polarity with every votecount is making me think that there are day actions that can change the polarity i.e. daykills or day-polarity-switchers?? would be really cool if someone could change polarity to confirm themselves between votecounts

also for some reason i'm just seeing this game as everyone's just.... here. like there are people talking and people voting and mastin's making big posts but it's like i don't really know how to read them at this point.

it's not even an "everyone is null" thing it's like a "you all are failing to make a decent impression on me in any direction when normally i would feel at least someone's doing something scummy while also being towny at the same time"

pedit rach it's just like there's not a votecount number, just "votecount" and i don't see why we would have to be reminded of the polarity with each votecount unless there is a potential for change there

also i finally have a decent scumread ty <3 <3 <3

UNVOTE:
VOTE: dry-fit

i would be interested in hearing however just how much of the scumread on them comes from how they're still posting separately whether it's conscious or not because i can't imagine that the confusion caused by non-hydra posts of a supposed hydra wouldn't at the very least make scumreads on them a bit more wanted or acceptable if you know what i mean

basically i don't think the hydra issue is helping how they're being perceived and i'm kind of reluctant to let this go on without at least mentioning it in case it might be happening

[marquis]

can we lynch dry-fit please

i'm lost

UNVOTE:

[marquis]

we are town

obligatory post

sorry am busy

[marquis]

Shorter version

First Marquis is a troll at first. He minimslly does this.
Second, he asks for a polarity shift during the day. That at best outs a PR if even possible for the town.
Third, his dryfit stuff was reasonless.
Fourth, the scumclaim.
Fifth, general wanting to appease.

[Titus]

Necro, I do admit my interaction is weak. I am vla. You said that somewhere and I do expect interaction to be stronger Tuesday...provided no severe jet lag. Then Wednesday.