Mini 1585: Muskoka Murder Mystery - Game Over

[Konowa]

What Brood did was a meta search to get a grasp on player's style and such. What you are suggesting you are doing is reviewing meta to dissect a four person wagon of which two votes were in RVS because one of the votes was scum. Busy work. Explain how my votes have been opportunistic.

[Antihero]

barring

another miller flipping

(which someone would CC), there's literally nothing that could possibly influence the credibility of the claim

[Antihero]

i wasn't even talking to you, epm, what are you swooping in and answering for reinoe for?

[Boonskiies]

There's at least one scum on the wagon and I'm reviewing meta to see whom it is.

Wait, what?

unvote;
Vote: reinoe

I get meta, reinoe. But it feels really off to go "hey, I'm reviewing meta to examine this wagon that formed out of RVS". Seems overkill and pointless. Seems like scum wanting to give off the appearance of doing something.

Are you kidding me right now? Hopping from one bandwagon to the potential next bandwagon? With a very generic reasoning as well, might I add. Didn't even try to defend my vote on him because it would draw attention to him. I wish I had another vote so I could put two on this guy.

[Guyett]

/confirm

I'm Bert's public alt. Bert does not wish to be here at this time.

Call me Bert.

Bye.

Here are my reads via random.org (don't ask how I got them):

Boonskiies - town
Aneninen - scum and PR
Misaka Network (Hydra of FakeGod and Gaiden) - VT
BroodKingEXE - PR
chaoslord54 - scum and PR
evilpacman18 - town
Jakuzure Nonon (Hydra of Caledfwitch and Feirei) - VT
Super Mario - town
don_johnson - PR
startfromtheheart - VT and town
Konowa - town
Chevre - scum - (VT aka goon)
reinoe - town

town bert

Hi guys. I'm a miller.

Town too

~~**Bump**~~

Lol mid page mod bump

Hi guys. I'm a miller.

Conf town until day 3-4 at which point we can start addressing this claim.

I actually have a heart made of limestone.

so a heart made of fossils then... my heart is made of Garnet bearing harzburgite... I can withstand much pressure

Vote: evilpacman13

because DAT GURL IZ LATE.

Well, those reads are via random.org, but if I must defend myself:

1. No one has seen me eat any cookies since February 23rd, 2014.
2. My fingerprints aren't on the cookie jar.
3. Crumbs freak me out, so why would I eat a cookie?

seems like startfromtheheart's methods are whack.

Possible scum too

you can join reinoe

Alright. I've done a quick meta read of the players who have posted:

• Konowa
  - first post is pretty non-alignment indicative. He's never played miller before, and I don't have a problem with him claiming. His posting style is by nature aggressive, looking at his other D1s, I don't really see too much of a different from that style in this game. The tone of his posts when he is town could be played in as scum pretty similarly getting a meta read on him later will require thorough reading.
  
  
• Start
  - I looked at one of his scum games X-Men Mafia and his tone is much more calm and less belligerent than that game.
  
  
• Anine
  - a New player no meta read on him.
  
  
• Super Mario
  - not many games to go on. But he seems as constructive as in Open 517 which he was town. He has changed his tone in the two games he has played drastically.
  
  
• Boonskiies
  - New Player.
  
  
• chaos
  - new player
  
  
• DJ
  - not really too much he has a lot of games, but nothing he's said in this game is similar to what he has said in this one.
  
  
• Jak-Caled
  - Not really a lot here for D1.
  
  
• Jak-Fei
  - Has activity issues sometimes and a varied D1 playstyle.
  
  
• Churve
  - His intro is similar to this gameNY 170 which he was town.

This looks like someone trying to look like they are doing something

Reinoe, chevre and brood scum team

[Antihero]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Chevre

[reinoe]

disregard it. it's null.

what's going to magically happen on days 3 or 4 that's going to help you sort it?

Analysis of his play. Although day 4 might be generous. The safest thing would be to policy lynch but that's punishing a player because of the role they got.

...that should be what takes precedence from the get go.

to declare him "conftown until [arbitrary point]" is arbitrary and weird

I suppose. Please forgive me for not handling every new situation like a pro

[Guyett]

There's at least one scum on the wagon and I'm reviewing meta to see whom it is.

Wait, what?

unvote;
Vote: reinoe

I get meta, reinoe. But it feels really off to go "hey, I'm reviewing meta to examine this wagon that formed out of RVS". Seems overkill and pointless. Seems like scum wanting to give off the appearance of doing something.

Are you kidding me right now? Hopping from one bandwagon to the potential next bandwagon? With a very generic reasoning as well, might I add. Didn't even try to defend my vote on him because it would draw attention to him. I wish I had another vote so I could put two on this guy.

Konowa is town ffs, no sane scum would claim miller in their OP

[Guyett]

disregard it. it's null.

what's going to magically happen on days 3 or 4 that's going to help you sort it?

Analysis of his play. Although day 4 might be generous.

The safest thing would be to policy lynch

but that's punishing a player because of the role they got.

scumscumscumscumscumscumscumscum

[Guyett]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Chevre

excellent vote

[don_johnson]

"no sane scum would claim miller in their OP"

why not? I ask cause I recall seeing it done at some point... curious for the thought process here.

[Guyett]

"no sane scum would claim miller in their OP"

why not? I ask cause I recall seeing it done at some point... curious for the thought process here.

you're likely to be lynched or vigged as a precaution... it's a pretty big gamble for scum that isn't that safe or fun and has very little rewards on the wifom side imo

[reinoe]

"no sane scum would claim miller in their OP"

why not? I ask cause I recall seeing it done at some point... curious for the thought process here.

you're likely to be lynched...as a precaution

How do you figure? You just gave me hell for saying it would be safest to policy lynch the miller.

[don_johnson]

I agree with reinoe here. though a miller gambit carries some risk, it is actually a great gambit for scum to run with because the wifom is priceless. generally I ignore miller claims and vote based on in game play. however, there are two things which bother me about this miller claim:

1: the lack of emotion involved. most miller claims I have seen are not so matter of fact. granted this is solely my opinion based on my experience, but I generally have seen miller claims phrased with expletives or "fml, I got miller" type statements.
2: the lack of follow-up by the miller himself.

[Boonskiies]

Guyett trying to protect his scumbuddy.

[Konowa]

Are you kidding me right now? Hopping from one bandwagon to the potential next bandwagon? With a very generic reasoning as well, might I add. Didn't even try to defend my vote on him because it would draw attention to him. I wish I had another vote so I could put two on this guy.

Your vote is garbage. That's why I didn't address it. How is my reasoning "generic"? reinoe is not doing anything to determine alignment this game. Saying "I'm going to do a meta search to examine this wagon that formed out of RVS" is crap. Two of the four votes were random votes. Misaka voted and has not posted anything since. And I voted because your whining of why you have votes on you was scummy. Unexplained votes get reactions. After thinking it over, #88 makes me think your newbtown in way over your head.

[reinoe]

i'm changing my stance because I was getting called out on being opportunistic.

Ftfy

[Konowa]

Thanks for confirming your scum, reinoe. Still haven't explained how my votes were opportunistic.

Reinoe, chevre and brood scum team

Don't think that Brood and reinoe are scum together. The whole meta search thing together as scum, just don't see it. Brood is actually trying to analyze actions and figure things out, I believe, as seen in #79 and #110.
Chevre hasn't posted anything yet, so not sure there.

[reinoe]

You acknowledge that two of those votes were rvs so you should have put more care in placing your vote to begin with. Two free votes for your bullshit wagon and a questionable reason for your vote to boot.

Let's test that miller claim...

[reinoe]

VOTE: konowa

[Konowa]

You acknowledge that two of those votes were rvs so you should have put more care in placing your vote to begin with. Two free votes for your bullshit wagon and a questionable reason for your vote to boot.Let's test that miller claim...

What are you even saying here? I found Boonskiies reaction to Misaka's third vote to be scummy. His whining ringed of awkward new scum. So I voted him. How is that opportunistic? How solid do you want my reasoning to be there?

[reinoe]

What are you even saying here? I found Boonskiies reaction to Misaka's third vote to be scummy. His whining ringed of awkward new scum. So I voted him. How is that opportunistic? How solid do you want my reasoning to be there?

It's opportunistic because you didn't consider he's newbtown until you started getting called out on your vote. You just jumped to newbscum and voted.

[Konowa]

[Boonskiies]

You acknowledge that two of those votes were rvs so you should have put more care in placing your vote to begin with. Two free votes for your bullshit wagon and a questionable reason for your vote to boot.Let's test that miller claim...

What are you even saying here? I found Boonskiies reaction to Misaka's third vote to be scummy. His whining ringed of awkward new scum. So I voted him. How is that opportunistic? How solid do you want my reasoning to be there?

It was completely opportunistic. I was simply surprised at a pointless bandwagon, and needed to get a post in, but didn't have much time. Why did you so easily change votes to the next bandwagon is my question.

Also, my reasoning on Misaka wasn't necessarily truthful, as I was more interested in you. I still have a suspicion on Misaka, just didn't feel I'd be able to get a reaction or her to slip up. You, though, are just screaming scum to me.

[Misaka Network]

I found Boonskiies reaction to Misaka's third vote to be scummy. His whining ringed of awkward new scum.

I thought boon's reaction was pretty town actually. It's pretty typical for noob_town who gets wagoned to yell that there's a scum in the wagon.