Mini 1585: Muskoka Murder Mystery - Game Over

[Guyett]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=56226
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=51356

[Guyett]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=52141

[Guyett]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=50635

[Guyett]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=47367

[Guyett]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=50445

[Misaka Network]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=56226
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=51356

These two games are probably most relevant. I will be taking a look at them. Although, upon cursory glance, I get what Antihero is talking about in SC's game.

Rest of the links are newbie/bastard/5p games.

[Guyett]

No 5p games

[Misaka Network]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=50445

5p Game?

[Guyett]

Oh my bad I got confused

[Aneninen]

I know I'm not a particularly experienced player but I don't think an early massclaim would be a good idea, regardless of having a Miller or not.

A townie should not lie about his role, I suppose. So, every townie claims their real role. Therefore the scums may have every data they need about the setup and the identities of the townies' roles while the townies can only have a rough estimation about the setup. Even worse, the scums can falseclaim many kind of roles that are hard to be confirmed (eg. Backup-X, Even-Night Jailkeeper) so as to confuse our setup reads. We may end up lynching our own power roles due to mistrust or serve them on a silver tray to get them nightkilled. In addition, a real turmoil would occour if we have eg. a Serial Killer out there as well...

Also, I don't see why we should test that Miller claim. As someone has already said, if that claim is true Konowa will be Nightkilled early. If not, he is going to get lynched after a couple of days because of the lack of a Nightkill. Fake-claiming a Miller has much more disadvantages than advantages.

Prove me if I'm wrong.

[Guyett]

No massclaim today ffs in 2-3 days fo sho. Less if people have results

[reinoe]

Also, I don't see why we should test that Miller claim. As someone has already said, if that claim is true Konowa will be Nightkilled early. If not, he is going to get lynched after a couple of days because of the lack of a Nightkill. Fake-claiming a Miller has much more disadvantages than advantages.
.

But here's the situation aneninen...

When I say "we lynch on day 3-4" people say I'm trying to create a mylo lynch. When I say "it's safest to lynch today" people say I'm scum.

There's no guarantee that the scum are going to kill the miller. Remember the miller doesn't actually do anything to help town. He's not a cop, he's not a doctor, he's not a vigilante: he's not anything. The scum can easily avoid the miller and kill other townies to look for powerroles that do something.

And there's an obvious benefit to scum fake claiming miller: it can draw out a massclaim. Personally I think massclaims are bad for town but not everyone agrees.

The second benefit is that a scum can possibly get a free ride for several days without people considering lynching them.

[BipolarChemist]

Official Vote Count

Chevre (4):

Antihero, Misaka Network, Guyett, startfromtheheart [L-3]

reinoe (3):

Konowa, Chevre, Aneninen

Konowa (2):

Boonskiies, Reinoe

Antihero (1):

chaoslord54

Boonskiies (1):

don_johnson

Not Voting

: BroodKingEXE, evilpacman18

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Time Till Deadline: (expired on 2014-07-11 13:16:00)

chaosload54 is V/LA until July 4th

[Antihero]

bpc: pretty sure that's not the order of votes in the wagon. what's up with your votecounts...?

Fixed in above vote count and in new one!

[Chevre]

Post 216: reinoe, even if you find Konowa's recent actions scummy, shouldn't you still want to do your meta research to cement even more evidence against him? It seems like you are trying to wiggle out of something if you aren't doing it now.

Post 226: I don't like how reinoe refers to Konowa as a "negative utility town slot" due to his miller claim. First off, it's silly to say such a pessimistic thing; if Konowa is a miller as I believe him to be, then I think he did the right thing by claiming immediately in an attempt to settle the miller matter as cleanly as possible, and be able to participate in scumhunting as efficiently as possible. Obviously, past pages show that this has been muddied up. Second to reinoe's comment, anyway, is that he seems very certain in calling Konowa such, and I think this coincides with another point where reinoe is very confident that Konowa is a miller (though I have more to say on that which may refute this point a bit lol)

Post 235: Antihero, your list is cute and all but I would like reasons, because right now it looks like you picked the 4 players with the lowest post count plus Bert and Broodking.

Post 251: Ah yes. Guyett brings up the fact that reinoe seems certain about Konowa's millerness, but let's think this logically: what sort of role, especially normal, would know that another player was a miller? I guess he could assume that scum-reinoe would think that Konowa wasn't lying, but that doesn't feel certain enough to me. This also kind of loosens my earlier point about reinoe's absolutes; maybe that's just his speaking style? I still like my vote on him for reasons other than this.

Post 258: Antihero what do you mean by "shotgunned"
Post 262: Oops nevermind you defined this later. I think you're wrong, but you could try to sway me by showing people why it's "terrible" and then comparing it to the much better posting elsewhere in this game

Post 269: I don't like how Guyett rectifies that any VCA may have to wait; it seems to simply push aside the fact that my lynch at this point in the game would be based on weak evidence and thus nearly everyone on it would be worthy of critique. Feels lazy.

[Antihero]

i don't need to convince you that you're scum

._.

[Antihero]

Post 235: Antihero, your list is cute and all but I would like reasons, because right now it looks like you picked the 4 players with the lowest post count plus Bert and Broodking.

breaking news: low posters take longer to sort

[Antihero]

by the way, the formatting of your post without links is really hard to follow and is anti-town

[Boonskiies]

VOTE: chevre

My scum radar is saying Guyett, Konowa, and chevre.

[Misaka Network]

Huh. Anti maybe on to something here.

Chevre's latest post looks positively scummy.

[BipolarChemist]

Official Vote Count

Chevre (5):

Antihero, Misaka Network, Guyett, startfromtheheart, Boonskiies [L-2]

reinoe (3):

Konowa, Chevre, Aneninen

Konowa (1):

Reinoe

Antihero (1):

chaoslord54

Boonskiies (1):

don_johnson

Not Voting

: BroodKingEXE, evilpacman18

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Time Till Deadline: (expired on 2014-07-11 13:16:00)

chaosload54 is V/LA until July 4th

[Boonskiies]

Chèvre is at 5. Says 4. Don't want anyone voting and getting him to L-1.

You saw nothing!

[reinoe]

Post 226: I don't like how reinoe refers to Konowa as a "negative utility town slot" due to his miller claim.

Category:Negative Utility roles

M

Miller

I'm not going to go into the definition of "negative utility", I'm just going to let that mafiascum wiki do the work on my behalf.

[BroodKingEXE]

Will post today after work.

[Aneninen]

I'm catching up as soon as I can. Unexpected works have arrived (IRL).