Mini 1585: Muskoka Murder Mystery - Game Over

[Guyett]

I'm slightly concerned at the ease of the Chevre wagon :/

There is like no resistance to it...

[Antihero]

that's because half the playerlist hasn't even addressed it yet

[Guyett]

True

[Konowa]

I still think reinoe is likely to be scum at this point. reinoe personally may not know how to handle the miller claim and that may come as either alignment. I can understand that. Derpy or not though, town does not make statesments saying "Guy is scum regardless of Konowa's flip but I'm going to continue to vote Konowa". This is a scum mindset.

Regarding Chevre, he hasn't had a single new thought about the game thus far. Everything is either rehashed or fluff. The white knighting of me is making me paranoid as well.

If reinoe were not to be lynched, I could lynch Chevre.
At this point I would also lynch dj or epm.

reinoe, thoughts on Chevre, dj, and epm.

[reinoe]

I still think reinoe is likely to be scum at this point. reinoe personally may not know how to handle the miller claim and that may come as either alignment.

There's no guarantee that the scum are going to kill the miller. Remember the miller doesn't actually do anything to help town. He's not a cop, he's not a doctor, he's not a vigilante: he's not anything. The scum can easily avoid the miller and kill other townies to look for powerroles that do something.

If I were scum your miller claim would be easy to handle.

reinoe, thoughts on Chevre, dj, and epm.

Chevre's vote looks like an attempt at a counter wagon via self-preservation.

Dj and epm don't have enough posts for me to comment on legitimately.

[don_johnson]

dj and epm are horrible day 1 lynches.

does someone want to summarize the chevy wagon? granted, I am loosely following at this time, but I don't recall seeing a case. if you give me something to comment on, then I will comment on it. i can't remember the last time chevy posted. same for chaoslord.

chevre and chaos: let's talk.

I'm still on the "boonskiess or konowa are our best lynches today" mindset. i haven't seen much to change that.

[reinoe]

start(Bert?): with two scum power roles running around, why are we lynching the goon?

Hey dj???

What are the two scum powerroles?

[Konowa]

Fuck.

You might actually be town. reinoe, explain how saying that Guy is scum regardless of my flip but not voting Guy is town. What's the thought process behind this?

[reinoe]

Fuck.

You might actually be town. reinoe, explain how saying that Guy is scum regardless of my flip but not voting Guy is town. What's the thought process behind this?

I've been pretty clear on saying that I want to test the miller claim.

Guy is defending you way too hard, to the point where his defense is veering on contradictory. Can't lynch Konowa D1, can't lynch konowa on D3-4. Like there is no good circumstance to test the miller claim according to Guyett. If someone is scum, claims miller and just plays well then that scum has a free pass. He also accidentally slipped here...

Ah, good. You're here.

Explain to me your meta change, Guyett.

I got trolly. See my recent games.

There's almost nothing I'm seeing that's "trolly" about this game from Guyett. It's kinda analytical which is fine but even then his analysis hasn't been that good imho.

[Konowa]

I've been pretty clear on saying that I want to test the miller claim.

Guy is defending you way too hard, to the point where his defense is veering on contradictory. Can't lynch Konowa D1, can't lynch konowa on D3-4. Like there is no good circumstance to test the miller claim according to Guyett.

If someone is scum, claims miller and just plays well then that scum has a free pass.

He also accidentally slipped here...

Any scum who plays well is going to get a "free pass". It's really hard to follow your thought process here if you are town. "Testing the miller claim" makes it seem as if you are policy lynching now. Is that the case?

Also, I don't understand how that is a slip or how it is indicative of alignment?

[reinoe]

I've been pretty clear on saying that I want to test the miller claim.

Guy is defending you way too hard, to the point where his defense is veering on contradictory. Can't lynch Konowa D1, can't lynch konowa on D3-4. Like there is no good circumstance to test the miller claim according to Guyett.

If someone is scum, claims miller and just plays well then that scum has a free pass.

He also accidentally slipped here...

Any scum who plays well is going to get a "free pass". It's really hard to follow your thought process here if you are town. "Testing the miller claim" makes it seem as if you are policy lynching now. Is that the case?

Also, I don't understand how that is a slip or how it is indicative of alignment?

No, people who play well are sometimes investigated by cops just to make sure they're not scum fooling everyone. Miller nullifies this.

Yeah, it's part policy lynch. I said the safest thing to do is policy lynch the miller. But I also think you're scummy.

Guyett says that his game has been "trolly" as of late. This game is not trolly.

These thoughts are not hard to follow especially since these are all things I've said quite explicitly. I find your confusion feigned.

[Guyett]

God if we just lynch konowa will you shut the fuck up and give my head peace?

[Guyett]

If he flips town why shouldnt I push a policy lynch on you because you are so derpy

[Antihero]

dj and epm are horrible day 1 lynches.

does someone want to summarize the chevy wagon? granted, I am loosely following at this time, but I don't recall seeing a case. if you give me something to comment on, then I will comment on it. i can't remember the last time chevy posted. same for chaoslord.

chevre and chaos: let's talk.

I'm still on the "boonskiess or konowa are our best lynches today" mindset. i haven't seen much to change that.

:scumposting:

you're waiting for someone else to tell you what to comment on for Chevre? his iso is out there for all to read.

i find it hard to believe you don't see anything worthy of note from chevre, but somehow the "forced RVS" is still a good enough reason to lynch boon.

[reinoe]

This is me paraphrasing the wiki actually

If you are a Miller, there are two schools of thought about optimal play:

The first school of thought is that you should claim immediately, ideally in your opening post. This ensures that the Cop will not waste an investigation on you. It becomes more likely that you will be lynched or shot by a Vigilante, however; otherwise, it would be too easy for Mafia to fakeclaim Miller as well.

The second school of thought is that you should not claim, but should play in such a way as to not get investigated; ideally, you would get yourself killed at Night. If investigated, however, you should expect to get lynched.

One minute you're citing the wiki saying the policy lynching the miller is typical play. The next minute you're saying I'm scum for following wiki play advice. This is exactly what I'm talking about. Anti called me out on wanting to lynch the miller, yes this is true.

But your hypocrisy is why I want to test the miller claim today and not later. The fact that you're now advocating policy lynching me for following the advice of mafiascum, advice you know you're familiar with because you referenced it, is another scum tell in my book.

So Guyett, why don't you explain to Misaka Network why in your previous town games you were much more "trolly" and in this game you're not so trolly?

[Guyett]

I'm sorry but I've had a tough few days in RL. Its had an impact on me being able to be fun. I've scouts later and pub after so I'll prob be drunk posting again

[Guyett]

Its not something I want to talk about in a public forum but I might vent steam in speakeasy

[Misaka Network]

Hope you feel better!

I'm for one looking forward to your drunk posting.

[Misaka Network]

[Guyett]

Ok vented now feel a bit better

[evilpacman18]

that's because half the playerlist hasn't even addressed it yet

noooope you're scum

[Antihero]

that's because half the playerlist hasn't even addressed it yet

noooope you're scum

[chevre, don, epm]

/easymode

[Antihero]

that's because half the playerlist hasn't even addressed it yet

noooope you're scum

:scumposting:

only comes out to post either 1) flawed theory or 2) a chainsaw

[Antihero]

don't think i don't see you hanging around at the bottom of the page, epm.

i know you're in [post just enough to avoid prods] mode

bring it, scumbutt

[don_johnson]

anti: you should know better. you are misrepping my post. I'm not "waiting" for anything. I have no reason to look into chevre from my pov. it was brought to my attention that other players were asking for comments on the situation. I am responding to that request and asking for the "information" to be presented. why should I look independently into someone I don't suspect if the person asking me to do so can't produce a simple case?

trying to pigeonhole my willingness to lynch boon into my original reasoning is a bit shortsighted as well. a lot has happened since then. I see boon and konowa as polarizing figures. I think it is a perfectly acceptable strategy to lynch between the two on day 1. if someone else brings something up or if I see something else worth lynching, I will of course be willing to expand my options, but I was simply stating where my thought process was atm.

reinoe: the two scum pr's are listed in start's initial random post. my question to start was "why are we lynching the goon off your list when you have two scum pr's listed." there was no case presented with the vote and the rvs list was used as justification for the vote. hence, my response. I assume the rvs list was a joke. but if you're going to use such a list as reasoning for a vote, then your vote should make sense. which it didn't, because the vote was on the goon. I assume start has other reasons for the vote. but like I stated before, I don't see them. part of why I am asking for the case on chevre. the votes have piled up and I don't see a case. no one has laid it out, or if they have, I missed it.

so again: what's the case on chevre?