Ikaruga Mafia (Game Over!)

[Bulbazak]

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Vote Count

Shiny Hydreigon (0):
Doublade (0):
Saki (0):
ZZZX (6): Thor665, Doublade, Spring Starflower, Jordan_Downey, Shiny Hydreigon, Titus
PeregrineV (0):
Spring Starflower (6): TiphaineDeath, Nero Cain, ZZZX, The Necromancers, Xayzeck, Dry-fit
Eddie Fenix (0):
TiphaineDeath (0):
Sharpest-knife-on-tree (0):
Dry-fit (1): Saki
Malakittens (0):
Perpetual Nonsense (0):
Nero Cain (0):
Thor665 (0):
Jon_h61 (0):
Xayzeck (0):
The Necromancers (1): Jon_h61
Titus (4): Sharpest-knife-on-tree, Malakittens, PeregrineV, Perpetual Nonsense
Jordan_Downey (0):
RachMarie (0):

Not Voting (2): Eddie Fenix, RachMarie

It is day 2. With 20 alive, it takes 11 to lynch. Day ends on Monday, July 7 at 9:45pm EST. Countdown: (expired on 2014-07-07 21:45:00).

Jon_h61 is V/LA until Wednesday, July 2.
Doublade is V/LA until Friday, July 4.
Shiny Hydreigon is V/LA until Wednesday, July 9.

[TiphaineDeath]

The metal sonic wagon is not a goddamned policy lynch. Go Iso me for why he needs to die and then stop intentionally pushing my buttons.

[Titus]

i cant talk about ongoing but lets say about games completed in that time. if i did that action in all my finished games and this it is NOT allignment inducative is it?

My point is that it *is* because in this game you then claimed that what you said was real. If you had initially told us 'there is no read's list, I was just copy/pasta' then I would not still be so excited by the idea of seeing you dead. But you claimed there was a list, and then that the list had been consumed, which to the best of my detective work didn't happen to anything else.

Consequently, I want to lengthen your neck.

Sadly this game's list wasnt the only one consumed. (talking about games that finished)

Your arguement is invalid

No. Thor's argument is absolutely valid. You are saying his argument is not sound.

Thor's argument is that

If you were lying about having a readslist, then you are scum.

You are claiming to have told the truth.

That would make Thor's claim unsound. I do feel that if his premise is true, then his conclusion must be. That makes it a valid argument.

The fact you are working to hard to attack Thor with arguments that are not logically valid due to definitional inconsistencies makes me feel even more confident in my vote here.

[PeregrineV]

fun when scum kill the most anti town town

I dont want to say any word but.... I my experiance this is a VERY strong scum tell.

You see what he did there? Distance himself from the kill so hard it feels wrong.

I have been annoyed by SPring all this game but this is it for me.

Vote Spring flower

VOTE: titus

Yeah, no.

Lets have the scumteam: titus, zzzx, jon(?)

I made a mistake yesterday, I will not make the same mistake again. Occam commands me, VOTE: Xayzeck.

Also acceptable lynches would be titus or zzzx, though I have an unfortunate history of scumreading titus when she's town so I'm a bit more leery of that one.

In other news though anyone still scumreading necro should be shot to increase the intelligence of the gene pool. And thor is probably town.

After reading the Polarity asking I have something interesting to make. Why cant scum basically fake thier polarity? I dont see it being caught unless someone targeted them with an action and it ended up failing. Am I missing something here?

yep.

that thing at the top of vote counts that keep track of the net polarity.

yea Net Polarity can work.

Anyway why is SS not being voted at all?

we need to quicklynch zzzx

we need to quicklynch zzzx

Spring Starflower has been lurking way worse than me. And his posts were pretty passive and had nothing like the things Metal Sonic would do. This is really driving me into trust Spring Starflower is scum.


GUYS why doesnt anyone see this?

ZZx has 0 votes, zzx is voting spring starflower, star flower says LYNCH THIS! with no reasoning and no vote.

Yeah no.

VOTE: Spring Starflower

It's not a naked vote, you people need to pay attention. If there was a vote I probably wouldn't have jumped on it.

It is the conspicuous LACK of a vote while calling for a lynch, on someone who is voting you, when you have one vote on you. Does that not ping anyone elses scumdar? Am I crazy here?

Thor I wouldn't have given two shits if there was a vote, just like I don't give two shits about yours. Before spring pulled that little stunt I was scumreading zzzx, now as far as I am concerned zz is conftown given a scumflip by spring.

Mala, I'm not seeing the slip and I tend to jump on those pretty hard, help a slightly dim guy out?

Xay, Ignore zzx, ignore the fact that I've been calling you scum for days, ignore necro.

Look at post 1978 in context and tell me how that is a town post. I dare you. I double, no, triple dog dare you, to find an explanation for how that comes from a town player. The general uselessness and disconnectedness is just and added bonus.

ZZX looks scummy as all get out, but a few things are true that prevent him from being scum.
A) His wagon Composition is for shit.
B)The timing on his wagon growth is for shit.
C) Spring's post of sadness directly relates to him in a way that makes it impossible for them to both be scum.
D) Spring is scum.

Everyone get the fuck off zzx and on to spring.

Bulbazak would probably be pretty mad if you lynched me (the conf town)

Go away
If you are voting me you are either scum or have no read my claims or will get a brain aneurysm within 5 days

@TD-

I did what you asked for.
1766- ZZZX says Spring post comes from scum.
1814- Spring votes scum-Titus, calls the scumteam ZZZX, titus, Jon
1910- You call a scumteam of Titus, ZZZX, Xaycheck
1966- ZZZX calls for more Spring votes
1978- spring wants to lynch ZZZX, his other scumread than the one he is voting
1987- ZZZX claims meta can calls for more Spring votes
1991- You say Spring 1978 comes from scum
2003- You explain your reason in more detail
2177- You call ZZZX scummy as all get out, but he is town (and you are not voting him)
2309- Spring crumbs confirm-able town & names names

Does this about sum it up?

[TiphaineDeath]

Yeah, that sounds about right though I'll admit I missed the crumb. When you put it that way I sound a bit silly don't I :/.

[Titus]

Here we go everyone, my promised reads catchup.

Shiny Hydreigon (0): -- Probably town here. I could see SH as scum with Dryfit/PV (but Dryfit probably isn't scum) but it's a longshot. 1230 is pretty townie IMO. My biggest concern is the large public call out on PV on being useless and no call out on Dryfit when this deadline is collapsing.
Doublade (0): Already done. Scum Scum Scum
Saki (0): Deliberately punting on Saki due to baggage and utility. Saki is the type of player that drives me nuts with trolling but will have extra use as polar opposites linking up to fuck with the scum team is a bonus.
ZZZX (0): The more he talks, the less I like him.
PeregrineV (0): I like PV's posts when he's talking about the game as a whole, particularly #2328 but I'm not quite following it. I'll have to break it down more later.
Spring Starflower (0): He has a shit ton of selfvouching that I don't care for. I wouldn't be surprised if ZZZX and Spring were a dual bus gone horribly bad and that would be why they don't really push their targets hard.
Zdenek/EddieFenix (0): I like Eddie as town. He's figuring out a lot fast on a short deadline and throwing out questions to get reads and rather carefree. Zdenek was pretty town as well through his ISO. We saw many of the same things in Aegor.
TiphaineDeath (0): The push on Spring because Spring "slipped" is a hard indication of TD being town. TD pushes his cases and thoughts hard once he has them (see Death's Diner). I don't care for the associative things about "one must be scum cuz wagon stalls" as scum don't mind stalling generally especially if all wagons are on town.
Sharpest-knife-on-tree (0): Lots of posts with trolling and little content. While I like the courage to stand up to Mastin/Anti, I am anxious to see how this plays out. I do feel Mastin and Antihero are likely town but Mastin's largest scumtell is consistently being wrong and having bad reasons for it. I will have to reread this argument between them if either flips. I don't particularly care for his vote in retaliation for me asking for clarification. Lean scum for now.
Dry-fit (0): Probably town, a lot of wagon stuff on him sucks.
The Most Curious Thing (0)/Malakittens: TMCT drew a lot of early heat. Mala's also been pushing hard for my lynch AND this doesn't seem to be town Mala. Her acknowledgement of consistently scumreading me when she was town in Open Fire and Ice and her dismissiveness (we'll I was right) doesn't change her consistency that she always reads me. It forces me to consider she's voteparking.
Nachomamma8/Perpetual Nonsense (0): I need interaction with PN to analyze since I had no contact with Nacho. I do tend to scumread Bert frequently though and I haven't completed a full, non-marathon game with Gaiden I believe.
TSO (0): Shot dead townie.
MafiaSSK/Nero Cain (0): I need more interaction here. Same with PN.
Natirasha/Thor (0): The most obvious town that ever towned.
Jon/Talah: Town due to similar bad push on Jon as me.
Xayzeck (0): There's a lot of mentions of him being scum, but little push on him today. This sets of alarm bells for me. That and usually being a consensus voter is frightening.
TheNecromancers (0): A shitstorm of confusion.
Fear of Titus (0): That's me. I'm town. Duh.
Jordan_Downey (0): Useful for now. We keep close eye on him and make him claim his actions. If someone changes polarity and Jordan claims to have locked them, we lynch Jordan. Period.
Aegor (0): Lynched Dead Townie.
RachMarie (0): She had a piss poor vote on Dry-fit and is pushing this for unknown reasons. I don't really care for her at all. I'll need to compare this to Teen Wolf but I will lack time as I have a shit ton of work to be doing. That's my next step.

[ZZZX]

i cant talk about ongoing but lets say about games completed in that time. if i did that action in all my finished games and this it is NOT allignment inducative is it?

My point is that it *is* because in this game you then claimed that what you said was real. If you had initially told us 'there is no read's list, I was just copy/pasta' then I would not still be so excited by the idea of seeing you dead. But you claimed there was a list, and then that the list had been consumed, which to the best of my detective work didn't happen to anything else.

Consequently, I want to lengthen your neck.

Sadly this game's list wasnt the only one consumed. (talking about games that finished)

Your arguement is invalid

No. Thor's argument is absolutely valid. You are saying his argument is not sound.

Thor's argument is that

If you were lying about having a readslist, then you are scum.

You are claiming to have told the truth.

That would make Thor's claim unsound. I do feel that if his premise is true, then his conclusion must be. That makes it a valid argument.

The fact you are working to hard to attack Thor with arguments that are not logically valid due to definitional inconsistencies makes me feel even more confident in my vote here.

We already spent 4 ***ing pages talking about this

TL;DR: I do what I please in all my *finished* games and this one. it is Not allignment inducative

[Titus]

Off to work/catchup on other games ATM. Will respond to questions periodically

[TiphaineDeath]

Wait just a cotton pickin minute. in what way is 2309 naming names??? The only name there is bulbazak.

[Titus]

@ZZZX, You are throwing mud. It's one thing to say Thor's premises are wrong. It's another to say it's invalid. You're doing the latter, which is throwing mud as the argument is logically valid even if you are telling the truth.

[Titus]

Wait just a cotton pickin minute. in what way is 2309 naming names??? The only name there is bulbazak.

Hence why I don't get it...

[TiphaineDeath]

And 2177 is because of the associative spring tells.

No, you know what, fuck you, You're trying to make me sound silly and I'm not. Everything I did had a reason and they were good ones. My vote is staying right where it is.

[ZZZX]

@ZZZX, You are throwing mud. It's one thing to say Thor's premises are wrong. It's another to say it's invalid. You're doing the latter, which is throwing mud as the argument is logically valid even if you are telling the truth.

I just proved I did the same thing at the same time in another game where I wasnt scum.

Proving that my case is totally freaking valid. What is invalid in it?

[PeregrineV]

Wait just a cotton pickin minute. in what way is 2309 naming names??? The only name there is bulbazak.

naming names is just a phrase. Yes, he only mentioned Bulbazak. And I don't think I've seen a Bulba response.

[TiphaineDeath]

..... Define for me what you believe the phrase naming names means.

[Perpetual Nonsense]

@ZZZX, You are throwing mud. It's one thing to say Thor's premises are wrong. It's another to say it's invalid. You're doing the latter, which is throwing mud as the argument is logically valid even if you are telling the truth.

I just proved I did the same thing at the same time in another game where I wasnt scum.

Proving that my case is totally freaking valid. What is invalid in it?

scum slip?

[ZZZX]

@ZZZX, You are throwing mud. It's one thing to say Thor's premises are wrong. It's another to say it's invalid. You're doing the latter, which is throwing mud as the argument is logically valid even if you are telling the truth.

I just proved I did the same thing at the same time in another game where I wasnt scum.

Proving that my case is totally freaking valid. What is invalid in it?

scum slip?

My case on being innocent...

Cant people read either...
?

[ZZZX]

As in.

Your case on me is invalid.

SO my case on my self of being innocent is valid.

[PeregrineV]

And 2177 is because of the associative spring tells.

Which you are attributing to Spring for calling ZZZX scum while not voting him (2003).
If Spring is in fact town, no matter how correct 2177 is, Spring would still be town. Right?

No, you know what, fuck you, You're trying to make me sound silly and I'm not. Everything I did had a reason and they were good ones. My vote is staying right where it is.

Actually, I was in no way trying to make you look silly.

I was trying to see if you are scumhunting or trying to fake it.
If you are scumhunting, then I'm trying to follow the logic of how you arrived at your conclusion.
I can mostly see the path, but I will point out that it is nowhere near as straight and neat as you think.

Why so touchy?

[Perpetual Nonsense]

so i'm still on page 10 of this thread. forgive me for not noticing a case of innocence.
but are you self metaing? i don't like self meta.

pedit: i feel lost

[PeregrineV]

..... Define for me what you believe the phrase naming names means.

I know what the phrase means, I merely used it as mild humor.

In my summary, it means a players name was given.
Naming Bulba means that Bulba now has to speak up for/against Spring.

[ZZZX]

so i'm still on page 10 of this thread. forgive me for not noticing a case of innocence.
but are you self metaing? i don't like self meta.

pedit: i feel lost

I dont self meta unless I am being pressured to do so to prove how an action is real and not just an excuse I made up for this game (the reason I couldnt get the readlist here)

[PeregrineV]

so i'm still on page 10 of this thread. forgive me for not noticing a case of innocence.
but are you self metaing? i don't like self meta.

pedit: i feel lost

You're good, since you are voting Titus.

[PeregrineV]

so i'm still on page 10 of this thread. forgive me for not noticing a case of innocence.
but are you self metaing? i don't like self meta.

pedit: i feel lost

I dont self meta unless I am being pressured to do so to prove how an action is real and not just an excuse I made up for this game (the reason I couldnt get the readlist here)

If only someone had asked you to finish....

[TiphaineDeath]

If A then A will always be correct, yes, I just don't believe A.

I got touchy because I thought you were trying to debunk my case without actually debunking it by trying to make it look ridiculous. That irritated me.

BULBA ISN'T A PLAYER.