Ikaruga Mafia (Game Over!)

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Shiny Hydreigon (0):
Doublade (0):
Saki (0):
ZZZX (5): Thor665, Spring Starflower, Jordan_Downey, Shiny Hydreigon, Titus
PeregrineV (0):
Spring Starflower (5): TiphaineDeath, Nero Cain, ZZZX, The Necromancers, Dry-fit
Eddie Fenix (0):
TiphaineDeath (0):
Sharpest-knife-on-tree (0):
Dry-fit (3): Saki, Doublade, Xayzeck
Malakittens (0):
Perpetual Nonsense (0):
Nero Cain (0):
Thor665 (0):
Jon_h61 (0):
Xayzeck (0):
The Necromancers (1): Jon_h61
Titus (4): Sharpest-knife-on-tree, Malakittens, PeregrineV, Perpetual Nonsense
Jordan_Downey (0):
RachMarie (0):

Not Voting (2): Eddie Fenix, RachMarie

It is day 2. With 20 alive, it takes 11 to lynch. Day ends on Monday, July 7 at 9:45pm EST. Countdown: (expired on 2014-07-07 21:45:00).

Doublade is V/LA until Friday, July 4.
Shiny Hydreigon is V/LA until Wednesday, July 9.

[EddieFenix]

Spring, who cleared you as conf town?

himself

...

Vote Spring

Unless someone clears them via cop or some other means, self conf town is NOT conf town.

[Titus]

This is a distinction without a difference, like saying something is large or gigantic.

Your push saying Thor's scumread on ZZX wasn't valud is also shit.

What you showed me was what I had a problem with. You call it obvtown, I did not. Where is this lying?

I also never said his scumread on ZZZX wasn't valid. Fucking quote that shit for me right now. I never once said his push wasn't valid. YOU KNOW WHAT I'LL QUOTE THIS SHIT MYSELF.

This is bullshit. Thor is pushing cases entirely.

What the hell is it with you scumfucks keeping wanting to push obvtown?

I don't remember seeing that though, except for ZZZX only recently.

WHERE IS IT

No. I called Thor obvtown. You said no because Thor wasn't pushing cases. I said, but Thor has.

Also look closer at the post below. That's my problem in a nutshell.

ZZZX i've talked about him, readlist was a lie and is derp, hasn't been doing much, but since mastin feels so strongly i'll give it a chance
Thor is also actually an Fos, because it just feels like he's getting people to push but doesn't feel like he's doing anything on his town. I don't know, I thought Thor would maybe be very active in scumhunting but it doesn't seem to be the case, so it's like "i expected THIS but I got this so I don't think town"
Saki is just a "wtf are you even playing this game you're worse than me, and I'm pretty scummy myself"

You, for some reason, have to keep Thor as a scumread. He was highlighting the same stuff you did about ZZZX but all of a sudden you're FoSing him meaning you feel that Thor's case isn't valid. What the fuck?

[jon_h61]

I'm back, and I'll read over everything and post a little later on today. I'm a bit busy right now though.

[PeregrineV]

but honestly yeah thats my level of involvement in the game

lynch zzzx and net scum please.

Yeah but both you and Titus voting ZZZX? That make him practically an IC.

[Sharpest-knife-on-tree]

seriously, titus is scum people. I don't understand why folks are reluctant to vote.

[PeregrineV]

seriously, titus is scum people. I don't understand why folks are reluctant to vote.

One of the reasons I'm all up in Thor's Kool-Aid. He started the ZZZZ counterwagon, when Titus is effectively wearing red.

[Malakittens]

VOTE: Eddie

Dun like.

[The Necromancers]

You noted how he posted the same comment in all ongoing games (presumably as a boilerplate copy/paste as he went on v/la - I do the same thing)
In this copy/paste he claimed that he had reads partly written up that would be shared. Now...I'm just going to go out on a limb...how true do you think that is? That in every game he had this theory partly written reads wall thing? I don't think he had that in every game, it doesn't seem likely.

He likely had something in all of them, yes.

Which is precisely why it's much easier for him to have lost content in a game, depending on how his content is stored. For instance, if working on multiple games in the same document, it's fully possible to accidentally select a large chunk of text and override it by pressing a single key, like 'a', 'h', or so on. Heck, you can do that without requiring multiple games in the same document, too. Just be midway done with a readslist. Be multitasking, perhaps looking at the thread in one eye and typing with the other. And through a mis-stroke (or on a laptop, accidental pressage of the mousepad in such a way that large blocks of text get selected--yes, this is easily possible and I've had it happen to me), text you've worked on gets highlighted. You continue typing, unaware, and suddenly, a large portion of your work is gone, replaced by a few sentences.

Not impossible. Not even improbable. Oversights like that happen. As for him defending against the statement--of course he doesn't want to say "I said that in every game". If he had any fear of the violating-ongoing-games rule as a newb not knowing what he can or can't say about ongoing games, naturally, he's going to try and do his best to defend himself on merits outside of that excuse. Because he can't use the real reason, but there's a need to defend himself, he's going to have to do his best with lesser-reasons. Which, yes, is a bit of a scummy behavior, but it's a catch-22. No defense, he looks like scum. Defend using not-quite-truths, he looks like scum. Use the real reason, he thinks himself at risk of modkill or force-replace.

It was a bad attack.

It doesn't matter that much who we lynch 'cause scum can't win as long as I'm alive but I am 100% down with getting rid of this spring junk but anti/hero is being really really forceful and he was not like this in the games that I've played with him.

Yeah, well. You've not seen me get strong reads before.

ZX is a strong townread, and I have some very strong scumreads.


Oh. Also, Nero, you're lurking.
You're posting.
But not with content.
And not in large patches.
Once or twice a day at most.

That's a very un-Nero-like thing to do, so you're not exactly in a position to say I'm not playing like normal.

1. Shiny Hydreigon
3. Saki
Are these slots town? 'cause if they aren't then I'm going to policy night action them but if they are town then I'll leave em alone.

Mara's in the middle of my townlist. Saki's town, but I wouldn't cry if Saki died.

why is dry fit wagon gone. is the metal sonic wagon a policy lynch. if it is i'm pretty sure there are better policy lynches (see: necromancers)

The dry-fit wagon is gone because I shot it to hell with my insistence he is town thanks to circumstances. The wagon on Spring is not policy, unless you consider lynching scum policy. There is ZERO bits about Metal Sonic contributing. It's all off of his behavior not being town, combined with interactions and overall circumstances and also pragmatic practicality that makes it a wagon.

VOTE: Spring

(Distancing. Because he uses the first excuse he can to get off.)

Spring Starflower (6): TiphaineDeath, Nero Cain, ZZZX, The Necromancers, Xayzeck, Perpetual Nonsense
^Seriously, an awesome wagon. (+Dryfit, +EddieFenix, -PN, -Xayzeck.)

[The Necromancers]

Yeah, that sounds about right though I'll admit I missed the crumb. When you put it that way I sound a bit silly don't I :/.

I'm quite aware of the 'crumb. But I'm not buying it, 'cause Spring's just saying conftown, with no further 'crumb as to

how

. I'm dead serious, let's force that to a claim. Because my trust in Metal Sonic with his treatment of ZX is absolutely zero.

If there was a morsel of trust in me, I might let it slide.
But there isn't. I don't believe him.

[The Necromancers]

Tell me how it doesn't make sense that after town Jordan wagon moved to scum dryfit wagon, scum used paranoid town to derail to town aegor wagon.

Simple: Because Dry-fit wasn't the wagon on scum.

JORDAN

was.
So BOTH wagons popping up as an alternative to his were...
...On town.

Pay attention to how the wagons formed.
Pay attention also to the way they formed: identically.
Also pay attention to the reason Aegor was lynched over Dry-fit--because of one player's push. TSO. No other players.
None.
Caused that lynch to happen more than he did.
And, yep. He was town.
Sooooooooooooooooooooooo...
Scum didn't panic when Dry-fit was wagoned.
Scum panicked when

Jordan

was wagoned.
Scum didn't cause Aegor to be lynched.
Scum caused Aegor and Dry-fit to be the counterwagons.

Can everyone give me your top 3 scum reads and a short blurb why?

jon(/talah)--jon/talah is the ElementalHawk/AP (respectively) of this game; I KNOW the slot is scum, but I'm having trouble convincing everyone of it.
Titus--Titus's stances have basically been as ridiculously pro-scum as they can be; this is her scum meta to a T.
Sprint Starflower--Bad posting, bad interactions, overall bad vibe to his posting. His stances have been crap, and not in a town-Metal way.

(Bonus: Jordan and Xayzeck.
What can I say, I like five more than three.)

[The Necromancers]

You know what, fuck the Spring wagon
VOTE: Dryfit
I'm going off to read his ISO now since I can't remember at all what he's been doing

(Why Xayzeck is Spring's scumbuddy.
Also why Xayzeck is scum in general--
Looking for reasons to fit the read, rather than vice-versa.)

I'm liking the current Xay posting for town.

Funny, because Xay's recent string of posting is just about the most scummy he's been in a VERY long time.

[Thor665]

Thor, it's not about you. It's about having this be a no bullSmurf zone. Xay has lied twice about reasons why you could be scum. First on the ZZZX rationale and second on you not having a backbone to push anything but ZZZX.

You see lies, I see disagreements.
Eh...like, maybe it's a lie, and he knew that I had been pushing people but prayed that no one would remember...but...that seems unlikely to me.

Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet et al...

It was a bad attack.

No, it wasn't and isn't a bad attack, it is a quite logical and reasonable attack - if I was to go the same way as your reply I could just say 'it's far more likely he was lying than managed to random derp up just this game's reads while not noticing it happening, I've never had that happen to me ever. It was a bad defense'

But I'm actually not trying to be snarky here.

Your defense is...it's *very* full of consideration for his plight. Let's ignore that. I find the situation unlikely, apparently you do it ever third day and it's super common. Let's move past that. Why do you think he wouldn't lie? Because, really, that's your statement point here, and mine is that he is lying. I think both of us agree the chance that he had a giant partially written post for every game he was in at that time (including one as a Jester) is...unlikely, right?

Or are you arguing that in the two games that can be discussed he was in the exact same situation as town and a jester?

Because I find that unlikely.
By a massive amount.
Why is that a believable leap for you?
Why should I believe it?

I'm liking the current Xay posting for town.

Funny, because Xay's recent string of posting is just about the most scummy he's been in a VERY long time.

Really? Why is that?

He was asked for reads and kind of presented this awkward and very gut oriented scum read on me.
A player who had been on him and pushed him to lynch a while back and then left.
A player who was now pushing another player to lynch.
A player whom, I think, has a bit of a bull dog reputation and ability to push lynches he's bulldogging.

Why bother to pick the fight with me after I had moved on?
Also, the way he phrased it felt hyper organic and not contrived to me. It felt like just his thoughts (compare to the fake feelings I get every ZZZX post I read... )

What are your thoughts on that?

[Titus]

Mastin, your reasoning is circular. Your reasoning that my posting "benefits scum" and therefore I am scum. You don't say how. I really can't see how going after scum is pro-scum at all. You can say my reads are shit, that's fine. We can talk about that. But to say that wrong = scum meta is a clear projection. It's not as black and white as you'd like it to be Mastin. However, empty threats of Titus is scum because she's scum are getting very old.

Also, the very defense you posted on ZZZX is something ZZZX is fully capable of articulating himself. He never did. It looks like you are trying to excuse scummy answers to fit your pre-existing worldview. Talk to Antihero.

I really like Spring as town out of the ZZZX, Spring pairing. So let's talk...

Why am I wrong? You've been giving statements about me being "proscum" but not talking to me. I am a horrible player when people dismiss me and do not intellectually engage. Look at NY 169. I had one scum due to a VCA that was obvious (Casso or Sakura had to be scum based on that VCA). It took the group until the end of the game to actually lynch that scum. Why? Because I was dismissed as derp due to my other reads. No one would talk or communicate with me effectively. Scum attempt to frame me (Generic). You can leave me here as mislynch bait and ignore me but it may damn well cost us the game. We shouldn't depend on PRs to save our asses when polarity mechanic might mean we don't even act.

[Titus]

Thor, I don't believe bad pushes based on mistaken facts that aren't immediately retracted as being mere disagreements. I've been wrong a time or two. I retract usually once I understand where and how I was wrong. I explained that to Xay but he refused to retract. So yeah, I believe he's lying. Solid 100% proof, nah but good enough for me right now.

[Thor665]

Thor, I don't believe bad pushes based on mistaken facts that aren't immediately retracted as being mere disagreements. I've been wrong a time or two. I retract usually once I understand where and how I was wrong. I explained that to Xay but he refused to retract. So yeah, I believe he's lying. Solid 100% proof, nah but good enough for me right now.

Eh. I think the push is weak and likely to go nowhere at this stage. I find it unlikely it was a malicious lie, and far more likely a lie of biased perception or a disagreement of the timeline in question.

[Titus]

We'll see which is right. Given the deadline, I doubt I can get Xay or Doublade lynched.

[Titus]

Is there any chance Spring can be scum Thor? The vote jumping kinda makes me want to test Mastin and see if he's right. There's something off in the recent vote changes but I can't put my finger on it.

[Thor665]

Is there any chance Spring can be scum Thor? The vote jumping kinda makes me want to test Mastin and see if he's right. There's something off in the recent vote changes but I can't put my finger on it.

I have no town take on Spring and recall being in general agreement with the scum points raised on him. I personally think Mastin is town, which means probably a few of his reads are likely to be pretty darn functional - the problem is wading through his sense of self worth to try to see which exist functionally outside of his insane-o web.

[Dry-fit]

Man Xay really looks like scum right now. Titus made a good point abou him being called scummy by a lot of people and not getting votes. And his vote for me was weird and bad. I'm pretty sure he's not scum with Doublade too.

I thought mala was town but now she just keeps doing scummy stuff. Stop it!

Doublade you need to get over this meta case on me. Is it only based on like one game? Have you even read one of my scum games?

[Marquis]

You know what, fuck the Spring wagon
VOTE: Dryfit
I'm going off to read his ISO now since I can't remember at all what he's been doing

(Why Xayzeck is Spring's scumbuddy.
Also why Xayzeck is scum in general--

Looking for reasons to fit the read, rather than vice-versa.

)

and this doesn't apply to you too becauseeeeeeeeeeeeeeee...

[Doublade]

You know what, fuck the Spring wagon
VOTE: Dryfit
I'm going off to read his ISO now since I can't remember at all what he's been doing

(Why Xayzeck is Spring's scumbuddy.
Also why Xayzeck is scum in general--

Looking for reasons to fit the read, rather than vice-versa.

)

and this doesn't apply to you too becauseeeeeeeeeeeeeeee...

[Doublade]

in other words it feels like literally half of your scumreads are predicated on the "truth" that jon is scum

[marquis]

[RachMarie]

I got bad news on Tues I am now diabetic and been busy doing research and dealing with the changes I have to make to hopefully avoid being put on meds in 3 months.

Having trouble focusing due to the dizzyness and light headedness of greatly reducing carbs in my diet plus calories. I will catch up though ASAP

[TiphaineDeath]

Dry, what has mala done that is scummy?