Newbie 1515: Old-Timey Mafia [GAME OVER]

[Cheery Dog]

I've got to find the game but somebody pointed out that a useless IC or SE is actually a slight scumtell and nobody's been more useless than our IC so who's with me on the mutiny?

I'd just like to remind you to find this game and then provide further evidence for it, such as why it is only effecting ICs and/or SEs and how it is generalised to all of them.

[Jake from State Farm]

I'm not going to waste my time finding the game. It's not worth it in the long run.

[Cheery Dog]

Can you explain why is can be classified as a scumtell for those types of slots in general then?

[Jake from State Farm]

Cause they are supposed to be helpful. I'm without my laptop til Saturday. Let me see if I can find it

[Jake from State Farm]

This was the IC talking so obviously he wasn't applying it to himself.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 0#p5896870

Nothing is absolute obviously but it's a great place to start. The fact that Thesp can't see that me trying to get him to stop asking those questions and to start scum hunting as being pro-town behavior to me proves he's not town himself. Nothing he's pointed out about me is anti- town, scummy, or even suspect. He's delusional or scum.

I'm not going to argue with him about it either. He's allowed his own opinion no matter how wrong it is.

[Jake from State Farm]

Btw the conversation in that game I believe was him hammering an SE who flipped scum , I was also scum trying to discredit DDD

[Thesp]

Jake, do you still believe is TheGottemer is scummy? I think you changed your mind.. so I want to know why.

[Jake from State Farm]

Didn't change my mind, just changed my vote. Thesp is more likely to be scum by trying to stall scum hunting

[Cheery Dog]

Cause they are supposed to be helpful. I'm without my laptop til Saturday. Let me see if I can find it

This was the IC talking so obviously he wasn't applying it to himself.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 0#p5896870

Nothing is absolute obviously but it's a great place to start. The fact that Thesp can't see that me trying to get him to stop asking those questions and to start scum hunting as being pro-town behavior to me proves he's not town himself. Nothing he's pointed out about me is anti- town, scummy, or even suspect. He's delusional or scum.

I'm not going to argue with him about it either. He's allowed his own opinion no matter how wrong it is.

Still not seeing as just applying it to something you do don't see as useful. It may be the case for some, but not others. Looking at the link for DDPD's post, while yes you can still give leeway to newbies for being new, it still applies the same to everyone, but then it's still all guesswork.

With Thesp here, I think he's lately gone for too much encouragement of other's questions rather than his own scumhunting, but he is still contributing.

[Jake from State Farm]

Encouragement of others and no scumhunting looks pretty anti town IMO.

Let's look at some of his posts.

Post 43

this post, which you presumably read, holds exactly the answers you're inquiring about

Of course he's going to have to trust me on this one but I honestly was just skimming looking for questions and didn't read the whole post. He just assumed I did which is understandable. I'm notorious for doing skims and getting called out for half assing them.

You then complain about activity instead of doing something meaningful about it

Yet

mod please prod some random boy. He's never posted at all

and TheGottemer, it's been 48 hours since his last post

vote : theGottemer

Logged on earlier today and no posts.

So that accusation from him was a blatant lie.

You could be working to get us out of Random Voting Stage, but you're not.

This isn't true either ala my vote on TheGottemer. Go look through my games and you know that game avoidance is one of my pet peeves.

There is this gem of a post.

Does anyone want the Random Voting Stage to extend for any protracted length of time? Does anyone feel they get particularly useful information from it, or learn anything about the people playing? Does anyone else have something they'd rather be doing with posts today other than asking and answering questions? I'm all ears, but

so far it seems like very few people are actually being productive.

Yet he admits

I'm not suggesting that the questions give away people's alignments right away. I am suggesting that they help me get to know players better, and that knowing players better helps me figure out who scum are.

The questions aren't productive cause they don't help him figure alignment. He does think that it may help him learn people's alignment.

Let's look to see if that's true.

Micro 311 - he was scum so no
Mini 1553 - no (he was on a scum lynch but only cause his lynch on TvK wasn't going through. TvK was town, also tried to lynch pisskop instead of BoKnows (SK) and said he didn't like a six lynch ( scum)
Newbie 1042 - no
Newbie 890 - he was scum
Mini 905 - he was scum
Mini 900 - game ended abruptly so no
Newbie 792 - wasn't on scum lynch and was left alive til end and lost so No.


Basically he has no reason to continue this charade because it doesn't actually help him find scum. It does stop people from playing the game because answering those questions isn't playing the game.

So just solely for the fact he lied about me is enough to confirm he's not pro- town. His lack of pro - town actions is just icing on the cake.


And that's all I'm going to say about it. I'm not changing my vote and I've provided evidence that's more than enough to create doubt of his alignment.

[TheGottemer]

Actually Jake isn't looking at much motivation or stuff that actually effects this game, dammit now I'll have to look deeper into his, eh it can wait until the morning

I do confess to bandwagoning earlier but now that I am better informed my opinion is that if you have an issue with someone and the way they IC, take it up with them over PM and don't attack them on the thread until this fails.

As this would be out of thread communication, it's not actually allowed. (therefore it should be done via yelling at the mod over pm, and postgame/deadqt)

Ok, but the concept remains the same. Don't turn a good fun game into one of shooting accusations.

[Maestro]

Votecount 1.03 - Friday, July 4th @ 3:18 AM EST

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ACTIVITY CHECK:

Boonskiies has been prodded for more than 48 hours of inactivity.
ashura525 has been prodded for more than 48 hours of inactivity.

Jake from State Farm is V/LA until July 5th.
TheGottemer is V/LA "until further notice".
Flames682 is V/LA "until further notice".

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Not Voting:

Deadline is in ... (expired on 2014-07-12 11:45:00)

[Boonskiies]

For the sake of getting things moving on, I'll put it to L-1. Him and Thesp are my only actual scum reads (a one or the other kind of ordeal.)

VOTE: Jake from State Farm

[TheGottemer]

off V/LA

Update: I miscalculated the limitations on my posting ability.
Not much else to say.

[Thesp]

At this point, Jake from State Farm is one vote away from being lynched.

No one else should vote for him until he has had a chance to claim his role.

After he has posted, we should evaluate how to proceed.

Jake from State Farm, claim or die.

TheGottemer, are you voting for Jake from State Farm because you think you think he's more likely to be scum, or because you think he's bad for the game? (Or something else?)

[Jake from State Farm]

I'm not claiming until someone gives intent. Yet another bad example set by our IC. You never automatically claim when you get to l-1. You wait til somebody gives intent to hammer and asks for a claim.

[Jake from State Farm]

For the sake of getting things moving on, I'll put it to L-1. Him and Thesp are my only actual scum reads (a one or the other kind of ordeal.)

VOTE: Jake from State Farm

So you are ignoring that Thesp had lied about me ?

What is the pro-town motivation for him to do that?

[Jake from State Farm]

Whatever this wagon on me is bullshit and I don't really care. The fact someone had to go be a whiny B word and snitch had ruined the game for me.

I'm a VT.

When I flip town speed lynch Thesp or you will lose

Later

[TheGottemer]

TheGottemer, are you voting for Jake from State Farm because you think you think he's more likely to be scum, or because you think he's bad for the game? (Or something else?)

A little of both. The flying accusations are both bad for the game and a major scumtell in my eyes.

[TheGottemer]

TheGottemer, are you voting for Jake from State Farm because you think you think he's more likely to be scum, or because you think he's bad for the game? (Or something else?)

A little of both. The flying accusations are both bad for the game and a major scumtell in my eyes.

To better explain, shooting off accusations at someone is a good way to make people subconsciously take their eyes off of you.

[Thesp]

Lynch away!

[Jake from State Farm]

TheGottemer, are you voting for Jake from State Farm because you think you think he's more likely to be scum, or because you think he's bad for the game? (Or something else?)

A little of both. The flying accusations are both bad for the game and a major scumtell in my eyes.

To better explain, shooting off accusations at someone is a good way to make people subconsciously take their eyes off of you.

Accusing people of doing scummy things is also how you scumhunt...

You find someone doing scummy things and you call them out on it. I've done nothing scummy where as Thesp has blatantly lied

[Jake from State Farm]

Lynch away!

Why are you in a rush to stifle discussion? That's anti-town.

Let people react to my claim before hammering. Let people read my recent post about your lying. These are things an IC should be telling people.

[Jake from State Farm]

You don't want people to read my post. That's why you aren't even responding to it.

You look kinda desperate to me. I don't care if I'm lynched, but you do realize tomorrow you will have to deal with my posts and I'll be confirmed town at that point, dead but confirmed town.


Town: please lynch Thesp today, if not today and I get lynched, as my dying wish lynch him tomorrow

[Cheery Dog]

For the sake of getting things moving on, I'll put it to L-1. Him and Thesp are my only actual scum reads (a one or the other kind of ordeal.)

VOTE: Jake from State Farm

What happened to your previous 'reads'?