Mini 1585: Muskoka Murder Mystery - Game Over

[Konowa]

Like which might make your point. Thinking.

[Konowa]

So just read Chevre, and DJ can you show where Chevre is saying what you are saying in your last post?

[Chevre]

Sorry, I slacked and took a day off.

Post 434: Aneninen, I just pick whatever I feel needs responding to. Do you suggest something else? I ask seriously, because my education of how to play here has been rough even though I've been here many years.

Post 436: Antihero, I think you can "unintentionally" AtE. the parenthetical reference near the end of this post, 436, for example. You obviously wanted us to be reminded of your emotional crackage and take that into account when judging you. I don't think AtE is scummy because any player is liable to get emotionally invested and their feelings hurt, but I'm confused as to why you've put yourself in such a conspicuous role of leadership if you're so susceptible to breaking down. Maybe it's more psychological than it's worth getting into for the purposes of this game.

Posts 425, 438, and 470 from Aneninen; the emotion feels forced to me. Like he's scum and everyone around him is cracking and he's trying to insert himself into a mediator's position.

Post 447: Antihero's "1v1" comment is super perplexing, considering that no one is voting him, or barely suspecting him at all? But if he's scum it'd have to be some bizarre bussing situation where once the "1v1" leads to epm's lynch he'll be vindicated in the eyes of town--but he's seen as pretty town by so many already?

Unvote, vote Boonskiies

That reinoe vote, while I'm not entirely discrediting it, feels wrong. Meanwhile, I was looking through the players, because it feels like 75% have fallen victim to the noise of the other 25%, but Boonskiies' ISO is incredibly scummy.

A: Post 64 has a "why me fry me" which is especially unnecessary given that he later acknowledges in 87 that this wagon was little to worry about, and uses this to suspect Konowa
B: Post 201 is blatant newb card
C: Post 318 and 321, joins my wagon while adding no additional reasoning, then in 321 seems to get nervous about me getting quickwagon-lynched
D: Post 416, 421, 460, which are three promises to contribute in a row.

It feels like Boonskiies is newbie scum to me.

[Boonskiies]

I always seem scummy. I'm always town.

[BroodKingEXE]

Sorry, I slacked and took a day off.

Post 434: Aneninen, I just pick whatever I feel needs responding to. Do you suggest something else? I ask seriously, because my education of how to play here has been rough even though I've been here many years.

Post 436: Antihero, I think you can "unintentionally" AtE. the parenthetical reference near the end of this post, 436, for example. You obviously wanted us to be reminded of your emotional crackage and take that into account when judging you. I don't think AtE is scummy because any player is liable to get emotionally invested and their feelings hurt, but I'm confused as to why you've put yourself in such a conspicuous role of leadership if you're so susceptible to breaking down. Maybe it's more psychological than it's worth getting into for the purposes of this game.

Posts 425, 438, and 470 from Aneninen; the emotion feels forced to me. Like he's scum and everyone around him is cracking and he's trying to insert himself into a mediator's position.

Post 447: Antihero's "1v1" comment is super perplexing, considering that no one is voting him, or barely suspecting him at all? But if he's scum it'd have to be some bizarre bussing situation where once the "1v1" leads to epm's lynch he'll be vindicated in the eyes of town--but he's seen as pretty town by so many already?

Unvote, vote Boonskiies

That reinoe vote, while I'm not entirely discrediting it, feels wrong. Meanwhile, I was looking through the players, because it feels like 75% have fallen victim to the noise of the other 25%, but Boonskiies' ISO is incredibly scummy.

A: Post 64 has a "why me fry me" which is especially unnecessary given that he later acknowledges in 87 that this wagon was little to worry about, and uses this to suspect Konowa
B: Post 201 is blatant newb card
C: Post 318 and 321, joins my wagon while adding no additional reasoning, then in 321 seems to get nervous about me getting quickwagon-lynched
D: Post 416, 421, 460, which are three promises to contribute in a row.

It feels like Boonskiies is newbie scum to me.

Sorry bout my LA guys, lots of work came up, but I'm back now and am reading up. I quite honestly don't think that he is scum as of now. I'll agree that he hasn't done shit in this game, but it feels too much like a townie who is trying to stay with the game rather then a scum trying to lurk to victory.

[Antihero]

Post 436: Antihero, I think you can "unintentionally" AtE. the parenthetical reference near the end of this post, 436, for example. You obviously wanted us to be reminded of your emotional crackage and take that into account when judging you. I don't think AtE is scummy because any player is liable to get emotionally invested and their feelings hurt, but I'm confused as to why you've put yourself in such a conspicuous role of leadership if you're so susceptible to breaking down. Maybe it's more psychological than it's worth getting into for the purposes of this game.

i don't "put myself" anywhere. i just don't take the role of "sheep" that often.

honestly, it feels like EPM is scum and he's being dense and antagonistic to intentionally throw me off my game. from previous games, he knows exactly which buttons to push and he's pushing all of them.

i'm also guessing i was onto something earlier in the game and that's why the distraction was needed.

[chaoslord54]

Hey guys sorry for being gone. Will read over and post soon

[Aneninen]

Post 434: Aneninen, I just pick whatever I feel needs responding to. Do you suggest something else? I ask seriously, because my education of how to play here has been rough even though I've been here many years.

Sure, you can pick whatever you want. On the other hand it's strange that you haven't answered anything on that (fake?) DayVig shot, in 372. For example.

Posts 425, 438, and 470 from Aneninen; the emotion feels forced to me. Like he's scum and everyone around him is cracking and he's trying to insert himself into a mediator's position.

...or it's possible that I didn't understand the whole dispute but I thought that Antihero's emotional posts were mere over-reactions. Besides, right now I'm alone on a vanity wagon. Wouldn't be easier for me to put EvilPacman on L–1 or join another wagon if I were a scum?
Frankly, you're trying to make something out of nothing.

About BoonSkiies:

I'll agree that he hasn't done shit in this game, but it feels too much like a townie who is trying to stay with the game rather then a scum trying to lurk to victory.

I'm 100% agree with the quote above.

[Guyett]

mastin said it better than i can say it.

I agree with this, in one of my first games on the site neither myself nor Shadow Dancer had investigative results on the other but both came to the conclusion that the other was town and formed our own block that scared the shit out of scum.
Ones that form naturally are great, ones that are manufactured can be infiltrated by scum and lead astray.

[BroodKingEXE]

mastin said it better than i can say it.

I agree with this, in one of my first games on the site neither myself nor Shadow Dancer had investigative results on the other but both came to the conclusion that the other was town and formed our own block that scared the shit out of scum.
Ones that form naturally are great, ones that are manufactured can be infiltrated by scum and lead astray.

Sorry, could you explain the concept of a town bloc? Is it a read list of townies?

[Guyett]

also, "blocs" whether labeled "town" or "voting" are not "scum strategy". nor are they scummy. if you don't buy into the strategy, that's fine, but don't blast a strategy which has proven successful time and time again. a bloc does not need to be all town to be successful. it certainly can't be all scum, but some scum in the bloc is okay. what a bloc does is force more cooperation and civility. two things which run against the grain of scum strategy. scum need to sow confusion, dissension, and paranoia in order to win games. blocs help eliminate or severely hamper scums ability to do so. in my experience, when people start calling the bloc strategy "scummy" and flat out refuse to acknowledge its merits, then those players are more likely to be scum. but whatevz. if you guys want to lynch the guy whose being honest over the guy whose blowin' smoke and hypocrisy up your arses, then by all means...

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 9#p5461909

mastin said it better than i can say it.

I always thought it was a group of players who all have similar ideas on who they want tot lynch and all have reasonably strong town reads on each other.

[don_johnson]

konowa: I will get to chevre. I do need to reread him as I'm not sold on him. I'm not sure you are following my meaning though. my issue with the epm wagon is less about chevre's posting but more when you place them side by side. anti's case against chevre was that chevre was posting a lot but not contributing a lot. epm is just being lazy. chevre seemed to be acting like he was contributing, while epm was being honest and transparent about his laziness. there are a lot of reasons why townies are lazy. there is very little reason for a townie to be lazy, but then deny it. but again, I want to take another look at chevre.

the bloc is getting off topic. an organic townbloc is not the same thing as a voting bloc. one is a strategy, one is just a chain of events or collection of ideas. I think the useful part of the conversation is over tbh. in my experience, the bloc is used to narrow down the day one lynch pool and discourage VI behavior. but whatevz. if we just want to "play" then that's fine.

[Misaka Network]

This is a textbook opportunistic wagon

No, it isn't.

[Misaka Network]

dj, where were you when Chevre was at L-2?

Why are you pushing Chevre now that the pressure on him is gone?

[Misaka Network]

I always seem scummy. I'm always town.

Your read on dj and anti please.

[Misaka Network]

I think litmus testing both Anti and dj with EPM lynch is the correct play here.

I also wish I had a town that was capable of something for once.

[Misaka Network]

Guyett, if you're town, I really need you to obvtown yourself.

Do it now.

I don't care how many drinks it takes.

[Misaka Network]

I always seem scummy. I'm always town.

Don't be daft.

Your activity was high when you were getting wagoned, and now that the pressure is gone, you go AWOL?

Do you think that's an acceptable town play?

[startfromtheheart]

I will sell my soul to this game on Tuesday. Just you wait.

[Misaka Network]

I will sell my soul to this game on Tuesday. Just you wait.

I'm still waiting for both you and Anen to start playing this game.

And Chaos. His V/LA is over.

[Guyett]

Guyett, if you're town, I really need you to obvtown yourself.

Do it now.

I don't care how many drinks it takes.

Damn man its a sunday :/
I'm trying some wine later but I wont be hella drunk...

[Boonskiies]

About BoonSkiies:

I'll agree that he hasn't done shit in this game, but it feels too much like a townie who is trying to stay with the game rather then a scum trying to lurk to victory.

I'm 100% agree with the quote above.

Me too.

[Boonskiies]

I always seem scummy. I'm always town.

Your read on dj and anti please.

I'm going to have to catch up yet again. Was busy yesterday, but I will have time to read it today.

[startfromtheheart]

This is a textbook opportunistic wagon, what surprises me is that Guyett is on it when he was against another similar wagon earlier, I forget who. Two scum minimum and I'm guessing Anti and either Guyett or Misaka.

Why should they know better? What should they know better about?

[startfromtheheart]

VOTE: Boon

Unlike EPM, Boon seems to be just biding time after the release of the suspicion on him. We will see what happens once EPM is given a longer leash.