Mini 1585: Muskoka Murder Mystery - Game Over

[Guyett]

my problem with a FG and Anen scum team is both voted ScumChevre... why would both hard bus D1?

[BroodKingEXE]

my problem with a FG and Anen scum team is both voted ScumChevre... why would both hard bus D1?

This is exactly why I feel Konowa is confirmed town at this point. If Konowa was scum, scum wouldn't have bussed Chuvre, so hard. It might have been unavoidable, but still efforts to derail a bus would've been made. That being said, I wish Konowa's posting were more substantive to back up my 95% townread on him.

[Boonskiies]

I'm avoiding a prod. I will catch up tomorrow.

[Antihero]

You went on with the following post. There were no arguments behind the statement. (Yes, you had posted your reasons on my scumread yesterday but I answered your posts.)

oh well, then i guess i have to stop thinking you're scum as long as you "answer my posts."

Besides, you've been ignoring the lynch of Chevre (who was a scum) and the Nightkill in your arguments. As far as I've experienced so far, whenever a new day starts, townies tend to talk about the lynch, the nightkill, the Votes... Ignoring all these topics is scummy in itself.

i explicitly

didn't

ignore chevre's flip and the nightkill. i actually explicitly mention both.

But why didn't you want to remain on the wagon and did you draw anything useful from such a plan? AFAIS there's no good motivation to hop off the wagon considering you had a scum read on him.

holy shit

context

i was lagging behind in the game and wanted to do a reads list and unvoted to avoid an errant hammer.

this should be obvious i was doing this from the

context

of the game and what i said re: new flashwagons at the end of the day yesterday.

to act like i was trying to prevent chevre's death is inaccurate and the basis of anenien's slimy argument.

[BroodKingEXE]

You went on with the following post. There were no arguments behind the statement. (Yes, you had posted your reasons on my scumread yesterday but I answered your posts.)

oh well, then i guess i have to stop thinking you're scum as long as you "answer my posts."

Besides, you've been ignoring the lynch of Chevre (who was a scum) and the Nightkill in your arguments. As far as I've experienced so far, whenever a new day starts, townies tend to talk about the lynch, the nightkill, the Votes... Ignoring all these topics is scummy in itself.

i explicitly

didn't

ignore chevre's flip and the nightkill. i actually explicitly mention both.

But why didn't you want to remain on the wagon and did you draw anything useful from such a plan? AFAIS there's no good motivation to hop off the wagon considering you had a scum read on him.

holy shit

context

i was lagging behind in the game and wanted to do a reads list and unvoted to avoid an errant hammer.

this should be obvious i was doing this from the

context

of the game and what i said re: new flashwagons at the end of the day yesterday.

to act like i was trying to prevent chevre's death is inaccurate and the basis of anenien's slimy argument.

The way you went about it was kinda strange cause there's only 5 or 6 posts in between your scum list and the unvote586. Your reads this game have been haphazard in general it's hard to tell who you really think is scum and is "scummy". That being said I don't think such an action is scummy, and upon a read through of interactions with Cherve feel you are leaning town.

[BroodKingEXE]

haha pressed submit instead of preview. Nevermind the post looks okay.

[startfromtheheart]

every instinct tells me that scum bussed, and that scum wants us to believe that they didn't so they can gain towncred for it

this is very playing card like

[startfromtheheart]

also, it makes their path more difficult to trace if we are lead to believe that a bus was unlikely and unnecessary given their positions on the wagons

[BroodKingEXE]

every instinct tells me that scum bussed, and that scum wants us to believe that they didn't so they can gain towncred for it

this is very playing card like

If it was a bus, I feel like it wouldn't have started till the Chevre wagon started, because he is a strong player AFAIK.

[BroodKingEXE]

It's quite late where I am, so I'll post on this in the morning. The last wagon before Cherve was EPM, it's kinda WIFOM, but EPM was at L-2 I feel like scum could have taken advantage of that to get a claim or a mislynch. I'm gonna take a hard look at that wagon and EPM and post on it tomorrow.

[Antihero]

The way you went about it was kinda strange cause there's only 5 or 6 posts in between your scum list and the unvote586. Your reads this game have been haphazard in general it's hard to tell who you really think is scum and is "scummy". That being said I don't think such an action is scummy, and upon a read through of interactions with Cherve feel you are leaning town.

this was the reads list i wanted to do before the day ended, not whatever thing you linked.

[startfromtheheart]

i actually have a sneaking suspicion that had i jumped onto the chevre wagon, it would have derailed

[Aneninen]

Why do you think so?

[startfromtheheart]

gives scum an excuse to come off cos omg lurker who hasnt posted is latchingon

[Misaka Network]

I'm glad to see that Chevre flipped scum, but I'm even glad to see that scum decided to kill reinoe last night.

I was wondering if anti/dj were bussing after I saw Chevre's flip, but there's no way they would shoot reinoe.

dj sets up reinoe as the night kill here:

lynch chevre. he claimed vanilla and we already have a soft claim on the table. no reason to run anyone else up today.

let the night happen.

Reinoe was pretty obviously not a PR, and I seriously doubt that either Anti/dj were actually reading reinoe as a PR.

[Misaka Network]

It looks like Anti/me/dj all drew town this game.

Scum's toast.

[Misaka Network]

o dear, Anti thinks I'm scum.

[Misaka Network]

I mean, I thought Chevre was town, yeah.

But that case I wrote on you yesterday wasn't designed to lynch you. Notice my lack of vote.

I was trying to discredit you with Chevre lynch. I thought you were scum.

[Misaka Network]

I wouldn't be opposed to my lynch if anti wants it.

I don't really see town losing this game with anti/dj/me drawing town, and it's pretty clear that anti's reads are better than mine in this game.

Besides, we got a mountain of mislynches left.

[Antihero]

if you want to kiss and make up, start by voting mr. newbscum over here.

[Misaka Network]

i actually have a sneaking suspicion that had i jumped onto the chevre wagon, it would have derailed

I doubt it.

Me and Anti were certainly never getting off Chevre wagon after our exchange, and there was no way dj was leaving Chevre wagon after a rhetoric like that.

[Misaka Network]

Vote: Anen

[Antihero]

also, all you need a tutorial on how bussing works.

Spoiler:

Hi y'all. I like to do walls, and this post is likely to be one, so you're warned.

No problem, at least someone does something ^_^

Post 6: I'm curious to know startfromtheheart's motivation for posting completely random reads. To me, it seems like a way to creation "suspicion" when people would just be reacting to them out of emotion or fury, especially when they are so conspicuously broadcasted as random.
Post 29: I could be super reading into this but Aeneinen's "Don't lynch a vegetarian!" line feels desperately and inappropriately afraid of a lynch at that point in the game.
Post 36: don_johnson, what exactly makes a forced RVS vote suspicious? I would agree that Boonskiies vote could be considered forced, but I'm not making the link.
In the same paranoid vein as my feelings toward Post 29, I'm wary of Broodking's 44. I guess y'all may think I'm taking RVS jokes to serioiusly, but I feel like those early lines could hide subconscious nervousness on the part of scum.

Yes, you're taking RVS jokes too seriously. Set 29, 125 and 133 against each other ^_^
44 is similar... maybe it would be a better question: why isn't he voting (and why hasn't he voted yet)?
36 is a null for me.
6 hmmm... most probably a reaction check.[/post] It was ignored, however, you posted an answer in 51. I think that was a joke as well, wasn't it? And yet you're trying to make reads out of jokes. Strange...

FoS

Chevre

Post 194: what? wait, did reinoe just 180 on his whole "conf town" for Konowa's miller claim?

Sure did. Konowa is acting really scummy and Guyett's "scum would never claim miller because they might get policy lynched" while at the same time..."reinoe said we should policy lynch miller. he's totes scum!!!!!" indicates that it's time to test the miller claim.

Oops! You've got a point.

FoS

Reinoe too!

Post-edit

You're also setting up Konowa to be a lynch later in the game for *reasons*

Well, I'm fine with lynching Konowa now too.

Wait, what?!
NoNoNoNoNONO

NO

!

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Reinoe

@Antihero

Because the story about the jokes of the RVS posts is strange given that he has made an RVS joke himself. I want an answer for that. Because scums can perform distancing and bussing as well. But, first of all, because I think Reinoe is scummier, regardless of Chevre's vote.

hey you
question mark hallway thing

OLOLOLOLOL, the best name ever I have been given ^_^

I've still had an issue on Chevre which I posted in 213 (check out part below the second quote). Though he posted another long analysis later he didn't give any explanation for my issue. (314).

that's because half the playerlist hasn't even addressed it yet

noooope you're scum

...Whut?

@Chevre

: I pointed out something long ago, you gave no response, I pointed out it again, you gave a response. That's all, case dismissed.

@Don Johnson

: I don't like your playstyle too. What's that "reading is overrated and check out my record and you'll see that I'm right" thing? (Note: The previous one was not a quote, that was only a paraphrase.) So far I have been thinking votes and actions are results of communication and reading.

@Chevre

It was asked before what the case was on you. Thatswhy I pointed out my original question, that's all.
By the way, I don't see the logic behind the posts you choose in your summaries. However, I think it's neither a town-tell nor a scum-tell. Just weird.

Evilpacman does no scumhunting and I definitely don't like that.

Post 434: Aneninen, I just pick whatever I feel needs responding to. Do you suggest something else? I ask seriously, because my education of how to play here has been rough even though I've been here many years.

Sure, you can pick whatever you want. On the other hand it's strange that you haven't answered anything on that (fake?) DayVig shot, in 372. For example.

Posts 425, 438, and 470 from Aneninen; the emotion feels forced to me. Like he's scum and everyone around him is cracking and he's trying to insert himself into a mediator's position.

...or it's possible that I didn't understand the whole dispute but I thought that Antihero's emotional posts were mere over-reactions. Besides, right now I'm alone on a vanity wagon. Wouldn't be easier for me to put EvilPacman on L–1 or join another wagon if I were a scum?
Frankly, you're trying to make something out of nothing.

About BoonSkiies:

I'll agree that he hasn't done shit in this game, but it feels too much like a townie who is trying to stay with the game rather then a scum trying to lurk to victory.

I'm 100% agree with the quote above.

And we've all forgotten Reinoe because of his V/LA. But he's going to be back soon.
However, I'm not against a Chevre or an Evilpacman wagon. The Boonskiies wagon, in my opinion is a pile of shyt, I've already posted about that.

In my opinion, even

talking

about the theory of townblocks may alter the behavior of the townblocks. So, I'm absolutely against the topic. Talking about Pyschohistory to/with the people makes the Pyschohistry got false reads. And I'm an Asimov fan. ^_^

Before his V/LA started I had thought that he had been a scum. The lack of his posts doesn't change this, only his forthcoming posts can confirm or weaken this read.

However, mind my full post, please. I'm aware of the fact that there may be no Reinoe wagon at all. In this case I might join an Evilpacman or a Chevre wagon if we're running out of time. I'm not joining a Boonskiies wagon.

Of course – as always – new incoming pieces of information can and will change my vote.

Okay, Chevre, tell us something.

VOTE: Chevre

That's L–1 now and that's the main reason for my vote.

i think the place we're most likely going to find scum is in:
[chevre, Aneninen, chaoslord54, BroodKingEXE]

What exactly are your arguments for this list?

outlining vague suspicion until the last second when the vote drops. this is what bussing looks like.

[Misaka Network]

I'm playing as Misaka, dude.

Cut me some slack.

[Misaka Network]

Anen voting you does seem like he will be flipping scum, maaaaybe super noob-town, but Anen can't honestly expect to pull up a VI defense after his play d1.

You should be soooo thanking me for that exchange yesterday, anti.

I blew my towncred to smithereens, and you're literally drowning in town cred.