League of Legends (Old)

[BROseidon]

Granted, everything Lee does to the jungle meta, Elise does as well. Both of them need to be nerfed substantially if we want decent jungle meta.

Systemic jungle changes (like bringing back the S1 or S2 jungle) would fix the Lee problem, although I dont think that it fixes the Elise problem, and it introduces too many other problems.

[BROseidon]

Also, thinking about it, Thresh will probably always be meta for similar reasons that Ori is (high impact abilities that don't make the support meta terrible)

[PJ.]

I'm honestly not sure what you mean by what elise and lee do to the jungle meta at higher levels, but I play at mid elo so fuck if i know anything about anything

[xRECKONERx]

I'm in my promos for Gold 3, apparently, without realizing it? I've been playing off and on trying out bullshit and apparently I'm now in my promos.

[BROseidon]

Lee and Elise make it impossible to play anything that doesn't have a strong early game, because they:

1) Have strong ganks
2) Take objectives quickly
3) Can 1v1 you in the jungle while being very hard to run away from
4) Transition reasonably well with tank builds because of relatively high utility.

A lvl 3 Elise can take an 0/21/9 lvl 3 Maokai down 40% of his health from max with e->w->q->r->w->q, which goes off during the duration of the stun. That means that Mao can't gank a lane where Elise might be, and Elise can deep ward and hunt Maokai down, because he also can't run away from her. Lee can do similar levels of bullshit.

The non-Lee and Elise junglers that are viable right now are J4, Nunu, Rengar, Vi, and Eve. What do they all have in common? They have ways to deal with the fact that Elise and Lee beat the living shit out of them early, or they can toe-to-toe Lee/Elise well enough that they can do shit early. Even then, Lee/Elise are always picked with priority, with Eve being a somewhat close 3rd because of how strong her map presence is early.

[BROseidon]

Basically, as long as Elise/Lee are as dominant as they are, tank junglers like Amumu, Maokai, and Nautilus, or junglers with weak/risky early games like Wu Kong or Mundo can't exist unless you buff them substantially.

[xRECKONERx]

I'd say Lee/Elise/Eve/Maokai are all pretty close. Nunu/Rengar/J4 are high up there but can't go toe-to-toe with the others.

[BROseidon]

Maokai's probably like 3rd tier right now, which is fairly irrelevant given that you have 2 tier 1s and more than enough tier 2s to fill the space.

[animorpherv1]

If I plan on playing jungle monkey, I'll always ban Lee Sin - not so much Elise, I can work around her (and decoy her stuns). If Lee Sin is picked, I'll jungle Xin - he's got a great level 3 and can go aggressive (max Q first), or safe (max E first) depending on matchup/how the game is going.

[BROseidon]

And CST vs. DNL showing the bullshit that Elise is.

"Oh, you're a Vi that's lvl 3 while I'm at lvl 4? Excuse me while I take you from 1/2->0 and you can't escape over a wall with Q because my Rappel ALSO goes over walls and then your flash to your base doesn't matter b/c I kill you before you actually reach your inhib turret."

"Oh, you ulted my Ziggs AND your Ori ulted me and Ziggs? Lol doesn't matter, I do so much more damage than you while being tankier that we still win the fight" – Ft. Zigg's bullshit damage.

[BROseidon]

Like, Santorin is outplaying Inori, but the shit he can do on Elise is pretty absurd.

[Maestro]

FIFTH PERSON NEEDED FOR DRAFT NORMAL FUNTIMES

LOW PRESSURE, ENQUIRE WITHIN AND GTF ON NA NOW

[Maestro]

NEVERMIND

[DeathNote]

Any in house stuff going on?

[Maestro]

we're doing some Drafts nownow, lil G is our fifth
before it was Patrick but the Easterners have odd time schhhedules

[Klazam]

I QUIT

[Maestro]

drama queen

[animorpherv1]

Twisted Fate mid ft. AD Sion top, Viktor Jungle, Urgot/Veigar bot

[Klazam]

trollteam vs decent team, a bloodbath, and the troll team won... look

[DeathNote]

Pissed because my last game didn't understand the concept of not going into an unwarded jungle. We won every teamfight in lane but lost everyone that happened from us facechecking freaking bushes.

I blame Rengar mostly....

[Oman]

I'm falling slowly in love with MF. There's this weird point though where her ult feels useless if it hits any less than 4 people. I mean, my q was doing INSANE damages (crazy ratios, man) by the endgame, but my ult was still doing a little bit.

[Scarab]

<3 MF

[lil g]

I'm not a garbageman, don't ask me to carry the trash

[theelkspeaks]

I'm falling slowly in love with MF. There's this weird point though where her ult feels useless if it hits any less than 4 people. I mean, my q was doing INSANE damages (crazy ratios, man) by the endgame, but my ult was still doing a little bit.

I've been loving duelist MF since preseason, she's so fun! Getting triforce on her, while not the most popular build, actually has some decent results - with it, almost no other ADC can beat her in a straight 1v1 thanks to both Q and W.

And the ult can also be used like Lucian's if the other team isn't grouped up (i.e. hitting someone out of range of your regular skills).

[Oman]

Okay, I've only posted one victory screen before but I really have to post this one:



Eve said "mid or feed" and proceeded to do just that. So vanye and Akali carried around her. I ended up moving to a team supporting role after I won my tower in top lane, and I almost had my first penta (got the quadra, then Akali stole it from me! But it's k cause I know she was worried she was gonna die plus I think that's half the fun of pentas, earning them against their team AND YOURS).

Shitty game, I really hate feeders, especially entitled ones like that. And it's a real shame that he's gonna get the win as well. I really wish the OCE tribunal was a better system.