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[DrippingGoofball]

1. There is no guarantee scum is in the neighbourhood or are you saying there is?

If there is one, it would have to be me. It's not, but once I'm removed from the game, Bodie & Poot become pretty much masons.

[DrippingGoofball]

2. Due to the possibility (likelyhood) of scum having fakeclaims you can argue either of the other neighbours is scum, it all comes down to play in thread.

Bodie & Poot can't be scum unless the flavors are super wonky. Take my role out with its built-in controversy and we have two confirmed townies. Get it?

[DrippingGoofball]

VOTE: Boo

why would Bodie and Poot become actual Mason's if Wallace dies?

Not literally as a game mechanic, but practically as a game flavor.

[ActionDan]

vote DGB...

Well then.

VOTE: DGB

independent of DGB's alignment these votes are trash

[DrippingGoofball]

DGB has a silly notion that I'm being intentionally unpleasant to her and I think that's her largest motivation for wanting to exit the game.

Aside from that, her slot is still independently scummy and this is not the proper town way to replace out. It only makes sense as a scum ploy.

It's not my "largest motivation" though you are annoying.

I am not replacing out. I am playing my role in the best possible way to benefit the town and leaving me alive is a big mistake.

[Sharpest-knife-on-tree]

vote DGB...

Well then.

VOTE: DGB

independent of DGB's alignment these votes are trash

thanks

[Bookitty]

I have a couple of questions:

Do we even know that there is a traitor in this setup? I haven't seen anything that indicates that, but I could have missed something.

@DGB: Flavour aside, do you think the other two people in your neighborhood are town? Are you basing your assumptions purely on flavour? If you are town as you claim, wouldn't that indicate that flavour cannot be relied upon as an absolute indicator of alignment anyway?

[Dr Pants]

VOTE: Boo

why would Bodie and Poot become actual Mason's if Wallace dies?

Not literally as a game mechanic, but practically as a game flavor.

only if the flavor is guaranteed to match with the show, and we dont know if thats the case

[Slandaar]

DGB, were you told who your neighbours are? or is this something which has come out in the qt?

[Slandaar]

Just in case that isn't clear, I am asking if you were told your neighbours are Bodie & Poot.

[ReallySexyDudes]

Alluded to but not explicitly stated.

[Bookitty]

@ReallySexyDudes: Apart from the things we can all see in the thread, and apart from flavour speculation, do you have other reasons to think DGB is scum from your private topic?

[ReallySexyDudes]

No. None of us really talked much.

[Bookitty]

DGB has a silly notion that I'm being intentionally unpleasant to her and I think that's her largest motivation for wanting to exit the game.

So this refers to in-thread discussion and not PT discussion, right? Did you know DGB's flavour role before she announced it in thread yesterday? You knew she was in a neighbourhood with you before that, yes?

@DGB: Did you decide to push for your own lynch due to pressure from yesterday and your flavour role? Which was more of a deciding factor, or were they about equal?

[ReallySexyDudes]

No she mentioned me "always being an asshole" or something to that extent. There wasn't anything else worth mentioning from the QT.

I don't think she mentioned the flavor prior to yesterday, no. I did know about her presence in the neighborhood.

[mastin2]

@ mastin: we didn't unvote because we weren't done talking to him

...And the thought never crossed your mind that the large wagon on him could result in your discussion being cut off prematurely via his death?

if you flip town then there is definitely info that we can get from the gambit.

Name the info you gained from the gambit.

Any response of Sala being an idiot will promptly earn you my vote.

Salamence's game-ruining skills are unparalleled.
VOTE: Muki

@Muki

:

Sala defending himself way too much

, but who wouldn't at this point? He did role claim after the 'slip' so I'm not too sure I trust his arguments.

How much defence is "way too much" defence?

Like this. This, Muki's alignment regardless, is scumposting.

I don't understand Sala's gambits or his reasoning behind them at all.

(He's a VI don't listen to Mastin)

He is explicitly NOT a VI. His playstyle relies on people

thinking

he is a VI, but as both alignments, ending up underestimating him. As scum, he can cruise by thanks to people erroneously making this assumption (when he's actually one of the most deadly scum players I've witnessed, and that really says something!), but it is NOT VIing to the detriment of his towngame; his towngame is similarly misattributed to being moronic, but I know it to not be. (I happen to disagree with his tactics and think promoting them is a bad thing, but I also know the mindset behind them, and precisely why it can be so lethal to scum.) So pardon me, but I will NOT be discarding him and will NOT accept this as an answer.

Matsin, promise me a Boo lynch.

You've got it.

VOTE: Bookitty.

I'll have more detailed thoughts on every player as they come.


Mental math: DGB - DGB, Slandaar, SKOT, SexyDudes, Jackal.
Deja vu, anyone?

You've traded lynching one person known for gambits and good scumplay quickly yet who holds an excellent scumhunting interior...for another player who is known for gambitting and strong scumplay yet who holds an excellent scumhunting interior, just as quickly.

DGB's alignment aside, that's sketch-as-hell.

[ReallySexyDudes]

Sala is known for strong scumplay and being a good scumhunter?

[mastin2]

independent of DGB's alignment these votes are trash

The only vote there not trashy is DGB's. Sexydudes come in second for least-trashy thanks to apparently sharing the neighborhood with DGB, but that doesn't stop them from overall being a bit sketchy themselves. (They're on the townish side of null for me, barely.) Others, not so much.

I need to do more analysis later. Needless to say, I feel we're getting off-track with the DGB wagon. And that if we want to get back in track, we need to give things a more even look.

[Bookitty]

Sala is known for strong scumplay and

being a good scumhunter?

In my admittedly limited experience, this has not been true.

[mastin2]

Sala is known for strong scumplay and being a good scumhunter?

No, explicitly not. (Okay, so actually his skills as a scum player have been given recognition before, such as him being the second person in MS.net history to successfully pull off the miller gambit.) Actually

has

strong scumplay and is a good scumhunter? Explicitly so.

Fun fact, I'm writing a ramble/lecture for my academy that has a heavy emphasis on this subject--just because

others

perceive a player to be a VI does not mean they are in fact at VI to be utterly and entirely ignored, and *I* see that in them; my viewpoint of VIs is different, including who I define as one.

[ReallySexyDudes]

Whats up with the Bookitty wagon?

[DrippingGoofball]

Are you basing your assumptions purely on flavour? If you are town as you claim, wouldn't that indicate that flavour cannot be relied upon as an absolute indicator of alignment anyway?

Yes.

However in a neighborhood (non-masons) as Wallace I am the player that needs being dead. You don't want me in end game, do you?

[DrippingGoofball]

No she mentioned me "always being an asshole" or something to that extent. There wasn't anything else worth mentioning from the QT.

I don't think she mentioned the flavor prior to yesterday, no. I did know about her presence in the neighborhood.

You're lying, because I did state very explicitly why I was going to push for my lynch today and WHY.

[ReallySexyDudes]

I've answered every question accurately. If you think I'm lying, you're not reading. Or lying yourself.

[Dr Pants]

if you flip town then there is definitely info that we can get from the gambit.

Name the info you gained from the gambit.

Any response of Sala being an idiot will promptly earn you my vote.

The gambit was bad but I think Salamance was correct in his reads. I basically plan on sheeping him.

DGB is either scum and pushing the attention she got from the Salamance lynch to appear like a self sacrificing town, or its some weird gambit and its going to get revealed soon enough.

"It's bad for town if I survive to lylo, lynch me now" is a really hard argument to understand. A quick lynch on DBG would also make for 2 straight days where town didn't scum hunt properly.