The Wire Season 1 Mafia: Baltimore Police and Omar Victory!

[Bookitty]

@DGB:

All right, here's my issue:

According to RSD (my new abbreviation for ReallySexyDudes), he didn't know about your flavour until you announced it yesterday. I don't think a flavour-claim round-robin was imminent, either. You are using your flavour as a reason that you don't want to play and that you should be lynched. If you are a townie, this is really detrimental to town in that it loses us a townie without a compelling reason. You were under fairly mild pressure yesterday and claimed without prompting. Regardless of what you think of RSD and (NeighbourhoodPerson2), these people constitute only two votes. It's difficult for me to believe that you think those two votes are enough to give up and be lynched.

So my issue boils down to: Why did you flavour-claim yesterday? If you don't out yourself as Wallace, why would the issue necessarily arise?

Were the flavour-names alluded to but not explicitly stated in the PM that announced the neighborhood? (I think that's accurate to what has been claimed; if not, please correct that.)

[DrippingGoofball]

It loses us a townie sure, but lynching me

CONFIRMS

RSD & Gott as clear masons for the rest of the game. There can be no doubt that in a neighborhood with Bodie & Poot that they are town. Add Wallace to the mix? You can never be sure about Wallace. Wallace was the snitch.

The issue would arise soon enough in either the Neighborhood QT or the game thread and the outcome would be the same.

And given all this, I'd rather it happen sooner, rather than later, because it saves me dealing with Majiffy's half of RSD. Did you iso him? Would you want to deal with him? I rather think you wouldn't.

So please vote me.

[Messiah Complex]

Stop saying Wallace was a snitch. It's not true and it makes you look stupid.

Wallace was perceived to be a snitch because he was sent to that boys home that he later escaped from. The gang thought he was dropping dimes so String had him killed.

So he wasn't a snitch, just a product of the game.

[Bookitty]

It loses us a townie sure, but lynching me CONFIRMS RSD & Gott as clear masons for the rest of the game. There can be no doubt that in a neighborhood with Bodie & Poot that they are town.

This is not true and doesn't make sense. On one hand you are saying, "I'm town DESPITE my flavour," and on the other hand you are using flavour to clear people that aren't cleared. If they WERE town-confirmed masons, you have ensured that all of them are outed, including yourself, making them ideal candidates for scum kills and pushing for your own lynch into the bargain.

Yeah, I think RSD is town. But that doesn't make it a proven fact. If you ARE town, your own flavour should indicate to you that the game isn't flavour-breakable. It seems to me you're playing counter to your win condition regardless of your alignment unless you're a jester.

Do we KNOW that there is a traitor? Because I can't find it if we do.

[ToastyToast]

Vote Count #4

Dr. Pants

--Messiah Complex (L-8)

ReallySexyDudes

--

BBmolla

Dripping Goofball

--Slandaar, Dripping Goofball, Sharpest-knife-on-tree, Really Sexy Dudes, Jackal711 (L-4)

ActionDan

TheGottemer

Justin Playfair

BlueBloodedToffee

Slandaar

--

Messiah Complex

BooKitty

--Dr Pants, mastin2, (L-7)

Xisiqomelir

mastin2

Antihero

Sharpest-knife-on-tree

Muki

--Xisiqomelir (L-8)

Jackal711

Not Voting: BBmolla, ActionDan, The Gottemer, Justin Playfair, BlueBloodedToffee, BooKitty, Antihero, Muki,

With 17 alive it takes 9 to lynch!

[ReallySexyDudes]

I (Venmar) just want to objectively lynch DGB for her actions last night, I am pretty chapped with how she out of the gate revealed our neighborhood, and her interaction overall with Sala's wagon was suspect. I mean, I can confirm that Majiffy came to these conclusions even before me, especially the latter, so neither of us are going for DGB for any reason other than seeing her as legitimately scummy.

Her charades about wanting to get lynched are laughable if she's scum as it isn't pro-town in anyway, and if she's town then I think we should just oblige her.

[BBmolla]

Rofl

DGB you play vengeful townie the best I've ever seen

[BBmolla]

DGB you are aware that Poot and Moot could be their fake claims right? Community mafia I was Pierce with an Annie fake claim, could easily be Toasty making the scummiest person flavorwise town in the neighborhood and give the two scum in there good fake claims.

[ActionDan]

It's interesting you picked up on that. I'm more afraid of scum supersaint.

(Also agree with your post following)

[BBmolla]

He is explicitly NOT a VI. His playstyle relies on people thinking he is a VI, but as both alignments, ending up underestimating him. As scum, he can cruise by thanks to people erroneously making this assumption (when he's actually one of the most deadly scum players I've witnessed, and that really says something!), but it is NOT VIing to the detriment of his towngame; his towngame is similarly misattributed to being moronic, but I know it to not be. (I happen to disagree with his tactics and think promoting them is a bad thing, but I also know the mindset behind them, and precisely why it can be so lethal to scum.) So pardon me, but I will NOT be discarding him and will NOT accept this as an answer.

If it means anything, this also contributed to why he had to die.

[ActionDan]

it doesn't. Sorry Mastin, but Sala was a derp.

[DrippingGoofball]

Do we KNOW that there is a traitor? Because I can't find it if we do.

I was thinking more along the lines of being the prime suspect for a scum member of the neighborhood all game.

[DrippingGoofball]

It's interesting you picked up on that. I'm more afraid of scum supersaint.

If that worries you I'll be happy to be vig'ged, except that a good old lynching will put me out of my misery faster and more efficiently.

RSD is an idiot for saying I outed the "neighborhood." He refers to my first post where I said "I don't trust this neighborhood" and voted Venmar (RSD). It was a breadcrumb, but who in the game would pick that up as an actual neighborhood? No one.

[DrippingGoofball]

DGB you are aware that Poot and Moot could be their fake claims right?

Meh. I suppose. Flavor-wise, Wallace

should

be in a neighborhood with Bodie and Poot.

[mastin2]

Whats up with the Bookitty wagon?

Yeah, I know, right?

There's an extreme lack of one!

[DrippingGoofball]

Whats up with the Bookitty wagon?

Yeah, I know, right?

There's an extreme lack of one!

MORE FOR ME

LOL

[mastin2]

VOTE: Slandaar
Seen his avatar? Shiiiiiiiiiiit.

VOTE: Molla
you snitchin?

Town.

Edit note: Dr Pants much stronger.

vote: justin playfair

why the fuck are y'all playing checkers on a chess board?

Townish.

Edit note: PROBABLY up to town.

VOTE: DrippingGoofball
The scumputer is GladOS. The cake is a lie.

Seen his avatar?

?

Scummish.
Salamance probably not scum but p1 votes don't look like scum-voting-town either.

VOTE: Bookitty
Homies be after the wrong dog, ain't no PO-lice gonna be so slow. Now just cuz he's cheese don't mean he ain't loyal. Hell dumb motherfuckers got to be loyal, too stupid to survive otherwise.

Townish.

Edit-note: town.

too funny,

vote sala

Sala's alignment regardless, probably scum.

I'm totally going to be sheeping myself, btw, when it comes to this. I can explain basically all of this and will be going on to do so progressively.
Still have issues with: Slandaar. Still not fully comfortable townreading but am townreading anyway: BBMolla and SexyDudes. Still flat-out suspicious of: Muki.

Like for town: Gottemer.

Scum:

Antihero. He's lurking.

Probably scum: Xisiquomelir.

Others:

Justin (meh), Jackal (eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeh......).

So let's see. Readslist time seems right.

Dr. Pants
ActionDan
BlueBloodedToffee
Messiah Complex
BBMolla
ReallySexyDudes
Gottemer

Slandaar
Justin

Jackal
Muki
SKOT

Xisiquomelir
Antihero
Bookitty

This was an 18-player game unless I missed something, soyeah. 4 scum. Something like this.

[mastin2]

Derp. 19. Forgot DGB. Add her some place high on the town side.

[mastin2]

So I'm going to assume some of my reads are fairly obvious. Pants, Dan, Messiah Complex, DGB, all shouldn't need that much for a start. But here's some thread highlights for people.

VOTE: Slandaar
Seen his avatar? Shiiiiiiiiiiit.

Partly for who the vote is on, partly for the light interactions, partly for picking up on Slandaar's avatar and actually voting him thanks to it, I just found this vote to be a really, really town thing, along with the rest of the limited content from the slot.

too funny,

vote sala

Compare this to the others. PV continued scumhunting assuming that Sala had scumslipped. (He called sala #1, and other numbers after that = other scumreads of his.) Dr Pants and Messiah Complex both gave consolidation to Sala, thinking he was scum who legitimately scumslipped, and while bad for his faction, assured him that it happens to everyone and that the mistake was an easy one to make. They showed genuineness in their belief that Sala was scum who just slipped.

SKOT posted...this. Which is, essentially, boiled down, "lol, can't believe some idiot town just gave us that advantage".

I'm 90 percent sure that Sala is gambiting. I don't believe he would make this kind of mistake and I really don't think that, having done so, he would continue with the wide-eyed "deer caught in the headlights" persona after such a mistake. I don't understand the point of the gambit, though.

This reeked of scum who knew the answer already, town gambitting, and deciding to look better for it after the gambit was revealed.

I'm 90 percent sure that Sala is gambiting. I don't believe he would make this kind of mistake and I really don't think that, having done so, he would continue with the wide-eyed "deer caught in the headlights" persona after such a mistake. I don't understand the point of the gambit, though.
I had the opposite reaction from Mastin; I was unhappy when I opened my role PM and it was red, but then I was happy when I figured it out. Pretty tricky

#3?

PV scumread it, too.
Now, you might also point out that PV scumread Dan, but

while PV never gave a reason, it's fair to surmise

(

edit:

actually, he did and I'm exactly right on this; I'm just saying in many sentences what he said in one) it was because Dan essentially ignored the Sala issue in his posting, which I saw in a similar vein to why I ignored it--a desire to accomplish something else not focused on Sala, when the whole Sala thing would be shown soon enough.

Sorry, Sala, that sucks.
VOTE: Salamence

Again, compare and contrast between Bookitty's post and Messiah/PV/Pants. The latter three all offered heartfelt posting. Bookitty delivered this flat post. And the whole reversal felt entirely faked, as if it was a justification to jump on--because Bookitty had an excuse to, now.

People ignoring a glaringly obvious scumslip by ignoring it and calling it gambitting are probably pissed-off buddies.
The fact that the guy ignoring it is voting the guy calling it a gambit is just one of those karma things.

Have you played with Salamence before, Peregrine?

Bookitty was perfectly aware, even when voting Salamance for scumclaiming, that Sala was still gambitting even after the scumclaim.

Yeah, because acting like a decent human being to a friend who screwed up in a game is totally alignment indicative.

Again, note the difference in reaction and a lot of assumptions going on. Messiah/Pants in particular gave "decent human being" reactions. Bookitty just gave, similar to SKOT, a "well sucks for you". I didn't even explain why Bookitty was a scumread. It was more for the hypocrisy and inconsistency than for this. But this very assumption is itself sketchy. Salamance himself said it best:

You can't go from "Gambiting" to "Bye Bye Salamence". Oh yeah, you will probably say "But you said you slipped." And then I will say obviously I was gambiting boo, do you think I would be stupid enough to slip as scum. My scum game is too good for this. You slipped too, you got on the wagon way too early for a mislynch.
Dan is town. Pissed off and angry town because he knew that this was a dumb gambit. DGB is town for now just because he seems eager to be lynched.
Messiah's reaction read more town to me than everyone elses.

VOTE: Salamence20
He claimed scum, don't care if he retracted.

This by BBMolla was clearly policy. The thing that gives me hesitance is that policy-lynching is null itself, in that you can hide behind it easily as scum or legitimately think it right as town. I don't have the confidence in Molla knowledge to know if he'd have a preference.

[BBmolla]

It's truly alignment irrelevent mastin

[Dr Pants]

It loses us a townie sure, but lynching me

CONFIRMS

RSD & Gott as clear masons for the rest of the game.

Which means everyone should not lynch you, because you have to be town.

check it:

DGB says "lynching me makes RSD & Gott masons". But that couldn't be the case if DGB was scum, because then RSD and Gott would clearly go under pressure as your scum buddies. So the only conclusion is that you must be town.

[mastin2]

Yeah, DGB is scum, pretty obvious.

VOTE: DGB

Where Sala says 'assumed cops are town' he is actually letting on that he knows they are not at that point. #21 also reads fake.

PV town
Jif/Ven town
Dan town

I think it has been slightly eluded to but this is basically DGB's line regarding Sala

Sala 'slips'
Focus Begins
DGB: Random Vote no mention of Sala.
More focus
DGB: Oh yeah lets lynch Sala!!!

Just go and reread then sheep me.

I actually think Slandaar looks better for this now than I did originally, btw. I still think DGB more likely town than not, but this post is actually pretty town looking to me, now.

VOTE: SALAMENCE

Make the little man fly.

Still think this was scummy. Not

necessarily

scum, though, because scum might have felt an obligation for a "sorry" or a "lol". (AKA, Bookitty and SKOT.) This one was just a blunt, "lynch him".

It's scummy for pushing Sala closer to the lynch, especially unannounced, without analyzing his posting, without pausing, without realizing L-1 left the day close to ending prematurely, and whatnot, but I'm having second-thoughts on it actually being scum.

I feel like an idiot for defending Sala in the first place and then believing him and actually feeling bad for him in the second place, so whatever. Not moving my vote; I have no scum meta for Sala that I know of, but really tired of being lied to in the name of "Aha! This is scummy because you believed me!"

Also, read this.

Tell me with a straight face that it's genuine.
Dare you to.

Because this is flat.
Monotonous deadpan flat-toned. Artificial. Faked. Forced.

The mindset also doesn't look town. Again, it looks like scum trying to have the best of both worlds: the towncred for defending Sala, the lack of blame for Sala not flipping scum, yet also having helped to achieve the Sala lynch via the vote.

At this point, Sala, I think you're caught scum. I thought you were gambitting at first, I admit. Your AtE sucked me in, though, and I actually felt bad for you. More fool me.
If you actually believed I was scum, you would have zero reason to tell me to play more townie. So clearly you don't actually believe that yourself. The only reason I can think of that you would know I was town is that you are scum. If you have another explanation, I'd love to hear it.

More of the same, only worse. No passion, just a flat statement. If anyone's using the premise of emotions, it's actually Bookitty, saying "I feel bad, I feel stupid" and whatnot--emotions used to look more town. It should be noted that Bookitty's also saying the emotions rather than showing them. The second part was also already answered by Salamance, and thus is just beating the dead horse. Bookitty had no interest in jumping off, and was planning on repeating the same message over again until Salamance got lynched, since it was an easy place to park a vote.

Basically,

Boo, you claimed it was a gambit waaaay after I was claiming scum.
You should of known I was going to push this.
But like I said, towncred

^That.

Going to reread thread quickly.

Nothing materialized from this. Because there never was an interest.

[mastin2]

I think Messiah Complex is scum.
(Just closed my eyes and pointed at the screen..)
Sala defending himself way too much, but who wouldn't at this point? He did role claim after the 'slip' so I'm not too sure I trust his arguments.

Actually, taking back scumread at all. This is probably town. The Messiah Complex callout is something incredibly bold from scum, which is in stark contrast to Muki's other actions which would suggest that IF Muki's scum, it's meek-scum. The last bit doesn't look like discrediting Sala-after-he-flips-town like I assume, so much as it is saying that he thinks Sala cannot be trusted after having done what he's done to be town. Basically, it looks like it might be scumhunting, and taking a stance that is as close to unique as a player could get to a unique stance at that point.

[mastin2]

@Bookitty

: Can you provide the last two games you played with Salamence where you were scum and he was town? What is his basis for claiming the bolded:

There is no way in hell Boo would go call my play a gambit and then vote me if she knew it was a gambit. Shes obviously playing for towncred tomorrow.

Boo as town would have just shut it and defended me to the end, thats how special we are together <3

. Shes scum.

Totally scum-scum interactions, btw.

[BBmolla]

Mastin I actually think you're spot on this game.