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[Slandaar]

I guess you have gone

How likely do you think it is that Bodie/Poot be fakeclaims in a neighborhood with Wallace?

50%.

When Sala claimed Avon did you not think Avon must be in the game and is obviously town? no? because Avon could be a fakeclaim.

And yes, obviously I understand what you are trying to suggest but there really isn't a reason the mod couldn't decide one is a fakeclaim for scum and that scum is the one in the neighbourhood unless the flavor suggests otherwise, which, I imagine at this point, it does not. It might be a bit different, but there isn't a reason it can't happen and actually makes a lot of sense if you want a neighbourhood in the game which flavorwise makes sense with the show because you know what it does? it challenges the town to read the players and not the flavor. Who would want that in a game of mafia?

[Justin Playfair]

Exactly. Why let me live a minute longer?

Here's why...

PeregrineV, Johnny Weeks, Self-Activated Tree Stump, was caught on the wire and shot from an unknown distance Night One!

Because yeah, Johnny was green and trying to get brown, so he makes sense as a tree stump, but he was sure never part of the Barksdale crew. So far role flavor appears to have a clever relation to some aspect of the characters but not a one on one relation to alignment, outside of the police is bad and the street is good.

Therefore DGB's lynching, most especially if she flipped town, would be no more alignment indicative for her neighbors than their confirmed flavor roles already are.

As for a traitor, if there is one, there are multiple places to look, even assuming it would correspond with flavor. Might find an Orlando, for just one example.

Given the way this has played out, with the inclusion of DGB in a neighborhood where her flavor role would be explicitly known by two other players, this strikes me as a bad lynch. Not saying we shouldn't keep the same eye on DGB we do on anyone else, but I find it a little improbable that Toasty would just feed us scum to lynch in the way this would indicate.

[Dr Pants]

I AM A PAIN IN THE DRAIN AND A DISTRACTION

Exactly. This entire thing you are pulling is a distraction, and people should frankly just ignore you.

@Dr Pants

:

anyone who questions the nk gains instant scum points

Do you...legitimately believe this? If yes, why shouldn't NKs be discussed?

There was one night kill last night. I don't think I've played a game before where someone speculated that the only night one kill wasn't scum's doing.

This post then:

(I think Peregrine is a vig kill; at least to me)

Unless Action Dan has a very good reason to believe scum didn't shoot PV, this kind of speculation is scummy. WIFOMing out why PV died, which you did, is scummy to a lesser extent.

[ActionDan]

Dr Pants?

More like Pants on head

[ToastyToast]

Relevant.
Antihero has yet to post in the game and is being prodded.
BlueBloodedToffee has requested replacement.

Vote Count #5

Dr. Pants

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ReallySexyDudes

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BBmolla

Dripping Goofball

--Slandaar, Dripping Goofball, Sharpest-knife-on-tree, Really Sexy Dudes (L-5)

ActionDan

TheGottemer

Justin Playfair

BlueBloodedToffee

Slandaar

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Messiah Complex

BooKitty

--Dr Pants, mastin2, BBmolla, Messiah Complex, Jackal711(L-4)

Xisiqomelir

mastin2

Antihero

Sharpest-knife-on-tree

Muki

--Xisiqomelir (L-8)

Jackal711

Not Voting: ActionDan, The Gottemer, Justin Playfair, BlueBloodedToffee, BooKitty, Antihero, Muki,

With 17 alive it takes 9 to lynch!

[Dr Pants]

Dr Pants?

More like Pants on head

I find it hilarious that people continually say this, then end up really surprised when I end up being right, and town wins.

Don't mess with my fragile ego! I might get sad and then stop hunting scum!



btw I am completely serious, you need to justify your position on the NK immediately.

[ReallySexyDudes]

I don't particularly like Mastin this game.

We shouldn't deviate from DGB either.

[BBmolla]

Knife on tree is scum btw.

[ReallySexyDudes]

Knife on tree is scum btw.

+1

[mastin2]

If there is a neighbourhood of three people and one of them who is town says 'lynch me and the other two become masons' why are the two not already masons from that townies POV?

It's so pathetically simple and transparent that it takes me a while to realize you're actually seriously not seeing it. DGB's not talking about confirmed town to her. To her, they already are. She's talking about confirmed town to each other. She's talking about a more objective view.

This is where I'm at:
1) DGB is a town neighbour:
- She is self-voting, playing against wincon and risking modkill. -

Unlikely

- This is a ruse and she will call scum from interactions around her wagon later today -

Possible

2) DGB is a scum neighbour:
- She is self-voting, playing against wincon and risking modkill. -

Unlikely

3) DGB is more than just a town or scum neighbour (BBMolla theory):
- She is some sort of jester/vengeful/something and her death will benefit her faction, whatever it is -

My position

This is a scummy-as-hell parrot of Slandaar which ignores the far more realistic scenario: DGB is a town neighbor, who thinks her partners are town, but realizes that she is not going to be seen as being town. She offers herself up as a sacrifice, so that people can stop being distracted by thoughts of a scum in the neighborhood, since IF there were to be scum in there it'd be her. She knows that it isn't her, but she's the only one who does, thus, she thinks it best for her to die and remove the neighborhood paranoia from the game.

Seriously. Not that hard. Her thought process is painfully-easy to follow along with. Pathetically simple. I've been there before, thinking a need for self-sacrifice was present. It makes perfect sense. This isn't me grasping at straws. I see straw-grasping as being most of the above theories. This is me showing what is, quite frankly, a blunt, simple, fundamentally basic mindset towards landing that sort of role. Think miller, only not quite. It is a perfectly-valid point of view for a miller to claim, and advocate their death before lylo to remove paranoia about them.

@mastin2

: So you ain't gonna say nothing on it?

I already did. You're scum.
So's Bookitty.
I only have one vote.
And the vote's better placed on Bookitty.

You literally could not read that statement any other way and your opaqueness I cannot see coming from town.

[mastin2]

She'd have been telling the truth about her own alignment, but "neighbourhood" implies scum. So 3 person neighbourhood minus one town does not make me think "2 masons".

Dead serious.
I will lynch anyone.
Policy-lynch anyone.
Who seriously advocates neighborhood paranoia just because of it being a neighborhood.
It being 3p does not excuse this.

I've been in a town-3p neighborhood.
I've seen plenty OF town-3p neighborhoods.
In fact it's been years since I've actually SEEN a 3p neighborhood with one scum in it.

Neighborhoods in current site meta are effectively "masons that you don't want to be confirmed town". In other words, all town but where there is a chance (thanks to paranoia of not being masons) of them not being town, thus, making them lynchable. (Inversely, most NEIGHBORIZERS these days are scum. I have a very, very large tendency to place trust in my neighbors if in a neighborhood from the start, and distrust in my neighborizer if recruited.)

[mastin2]

Why is he so high in your reads?

Explained already: what little is there looks insanely pro-town.

DGBtown isn't going to tell us to consider them masons unless we should do.

That's the thing, though. DGB is telling you to treat them as masons. She's advocating it strongly. She doesn't want neighbor-paranoia. She knows that neighbor-paranoia is focused squarely on her...and she's willing to take the hit now rather than later to remove said neighborhood paranoia. She is explicitly trying to make it so that after she flips town, the other neighbors receive no paranoia. Thus why attempts to place paranoia into the neighborhood are, bluntly, scum-driven.

[mastin2]

Exactly. Why let me live a minute longer?

Here's why...

PeregrineV, Johnny Weeks, Self-Activated Tree Stump, was caught on the wire and shot from an unknown distance Night One!

Because yeah, Johnny was green and trying to get brown, so he makes sense as a tree stump, but he was sure never part of the Barksdale crew. So far role flavor appears to have a clever relation to some aspect of the characters but not a one on one relation to alignment, outside of the police is bad and the street is good. Therefore DGB's lynching, most especially if she flipped town, would be no more alignment indicative for her neighbors than their confirmed flavor roles already are.
As for a traitor, if there is one, there are multiple places to look, even assuming it would correspond with flavor. Might find an Orlando, for just one example.
Given the way this has played out, with the inclusion of DGB in a neighborhood where her flavor role would be explicitly known by two other players, this strikes me as a bad lynch. Not saying we shouldn't keep the same eye on DGB we do on anyone else, but I find it a little improbable that Toasty would just feed us scum to lynch in the way this would indicate.

See this? This, in stark contrast to Bookitty's on-the-fence best-of-both-worlds defense of DGB, is how a town player defends DGB with this line of thought. You can see the similar train that is used between Justin and Bookitty fairly easily. The difference is in how it is being applied and the specifics of it. Justin is using it to actively try and dismantle the DGB wagon, defending her. Bookitty words it more as a question, in order to appear as if dismantling the wagon but being in a position where Bookitty can hop into it if needed. To resist the wagon without really resisting it. (Justin moves up to town, btw.)

[mastin2]

I don't particularly like Mastin this game.

Dealwithit. I'm being more town than

you

are.

Knife on tree is scum btw.

Agreed.

[mastin2]

Dr. Pants
ActionDan
DrippingGoofBall
Messiah Complex
BBMolla
Justin
BlueBloodedToffee

Slandaar
ReallySexyDudes
Gottemer
Muki

Jackal

SKOT
Xisiquomelir
Antihero
Bookitty

Updated. Not much change. Should be noted that the second-tier of townreads (Slandaar-Muki) is more like "town, but in weaker town because they're not actually doing town stuff", and Jackal's my nulline.

[Dr Pants]

here's what's bugging me though. Say we lynch DBG. Then we get 2 "masons". Then scum proceeds to kill 1 and the neighborhood is effectively useless.

why would the neighborhood agree to being outed so early?
Unless this is a plan to:
a) quickly reduce the lynch pool by unveiling the neighborhood
b) claim the neighborhood in a way that won't be under suspicion for claiming early by putting all the focus on a single person

If the neighborhood is the scum team, it will become very obvious as they will be nk targets since they wouldn't be lynched.

Check it:
No blow up from RSD or Gott being like "OMG why did you claim for all of us you ass-hat!". RSD is going along with DGB's plan.

So the entire neighborhood planned this.

Bam. figured it out. all 3 are town, we get 3 IC's today, 2 tm, 1 the next day at worst. Early revile removes the possibility of having 1 get nk'd before we all know, and reduces possibilities of early mislynch.

[ActionDan]

Dr Pants?

More like Pants on head

[ActionDan]

More opinion:

Slandar is by far, leaps and bounds far, the towniest in the game right now

[Dr Pants]

"Freya is not someone to be worried about, since he's composed of a newb who doesn't know what he's looking for and a derp that's just as bad."
*edit: Freja is a hydra account
bulba just said this in the scum QT....after freja chose to vig him. HA! nailed B)

This is what happened to the last person who thought that way. Pants on head? Newb who doesn't know what he's looking for? Good luck with that

now, once again, explain your reasoning for your stance on the night kill

[Slandaar]

It's so pathetically simple and transparent that it takes me a while to realize you're actually seriously not seeing it. DGB's not talking about confirmed town to her. To her, they already are. She's talking about confirmed town to each other. She's talking about a more objective view.

What?

How do their views change about each other if DGB is lynched and flips town?

[ActionDan]

"Freya is not someone to be worried about, since he's composed of a newb who doesn't know what he's looking for and a derp that's just as bad."
*edit: Freja is a hydra account
bulba just said this in the scum QT....after freja chose to vig him. HA! nailed B)

This is what happened to the last person who thought that way. Pants on head? Newb who doesn't know what he's looking for? Good luck with that

now, once again, explain your reasoning for your stance on the night kill

I call them as I see them.

Why don't you do me the courtesy of explaining why NK speculation of any form is scummy next time before demanding explanations for statements that are self-explanatory. PV did not seem particularly townish in any capacity, and therefore looks more like a vig kill than a scum kill.

[DrippingGoofball]

No blow up from RSD or Gott being like "OMG why did you claim for all of us you ass-hat!"

RSD is the one that claimed it not me.

[ReallySexyDudes]

^ What the fuck?

[Dr Pants]

I (Venmar) just want to objectively lynch DGB for her actions last night, I am pretty chapped with how she out of the gate revealed our neighborhood, and her interaction overall with Sala's wagon was suspect. I mean, I can confirm that Majiffy came to these conclusions even before me, especially the latter, so neither of us are going for DGB for any reason other than seeing her as legitimately scummy.

I missed this. Oh well, still thinking along the same lines

[mastin2]

^ What the fuck?

DGB never once claimed who the members of the neighborhood were. She claimed the character names of her partners. You were the one who outted who the player names were.

How do their views change about each other if DGB is lynched and flips town?

Because she is the only name in the neighborhood who could be scum to her. Because to her, the other two are already confirmed town. To her, the rest of the town should be treating them as confirmed town...including them. To her, they should have faith in the other not being scum. Again, emphasis: SHE thinks this. That doesn't necessarily mean it's true...but she's advocating for it, trying to force it to be true.

Really not that dang hard.