Mini 1585: Muskoka Murder Mystery - Game Over

[chaoslord54]

I am thinking more and more that Boonskiies is scum. I can sniff out noob town a mile away but this isn't that, 416 and especially 421 are somehow scummy to me even thiugh they're just promises to get back to the game. They reek of appeasement which is totally a noob scum thing.

Also, really EPM?? You're using the same argument I just used on you on another player.. Also has anyone else noticed he avoided my other post against him. Come on guys he's total scum! Please tell me someone else sees this

[Antihero]

i will not be voting chaos barring a counterclaim.

anti: you have it backwards. you bussed when it didn't matter, and didn't bus when it did. but whatevz, you seem to be tossing out the AtE again. its kind of pathetic. what do you think of a chaos claim?

...and yet, here we have a chevre lynch. what, you thought you were going to get it by yourself?

sorry, buster brown, you weren't.

[Antihero]

results from N1, chaos?

[chaoslord54]

results from N1, chaos?

I investigated Reinoe since the day before I did feel that he was scummy and the mod sent back to me no one.

[Antihero]

oh well aint that just dandy...

[chaoslord54]

oh well aint that just dandy...

Yep got me frustrated haha

[don_johnson]

There was only 1 death last night.

Why do you say there is a vig?

Vig really shouldn't claim until they get off a successful shot.

I didn't say there was a vig. bert was speculating.

unvote

that wasn't hard, now, was it? your target and results are somewhat convenient, but whatevz. we can move forward trusting each other barring a cc.

vote:antihero

you were not voting chevre. you were not pressuring chevre. you pushed chevre hard and early. then backed off and never really went back. you chimed in at the point when his lynch was inevitable. if you are not scum you are going to have to try harder to convince me. simply saying "well I lynched chevre" when you avoided the wagon at its most crucial moments is not going to cut it.

as noted earlier, I am in the midst of a v/la. I would like to see more discussion of antihero. if there is a cc out there for chaos, well then that's a slam dunk. if epm doesn't step things up, then this case might be going somewhere though. his uselessness is bordering on epic. still waiting on the brood case.

[Antihero]

you were not voting chevre. you were not pressuring chevre. you pushed chevre hard and early. then backed off and never really went back. you chimed in at the point when his lynch was inevitable. if you are not scum you are going to have to try harder to convince me. simply saying "well I lynched chevre" when you avoided the wagon at its most crucial moments is not going to cut it.

uh, no. the crucial moment was when epm's wagon hit critical mass and fakegod confronted me.

without fakegod, guy, and i's vote to re-jumpstart the chevre wagon, the chevre wagon would have never gotten enough steam to go through. we were voting as a bloc from the beginning; i know this. you should know this too.

[Antihero]

if you are not scum you are going to have to try harder to convince me.

and, no.

you misreading me is yours to own. enjoy. (though, i know you won't own it ever. postgame, it'll all be my fault.)

[Antihero]

oh, and if your memory is still a bit foggy, don, do an ISO of BPC.

Official Vote Count

Chevre (5):

Boonskiies, don_johnson, Antihero, Guyett, Misaka Network [L-2]

evilpacman18 (2):

reinoe, Konowa

Boonskiies (2):

Chevre, startfromtheheart

reinoe (2):

Aneninen, chaoslord54

Not Voting

: BroodKingEXE, evilpacman18

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Time Till Deadline: (expired on 2014-07-11 13:16:00)

reinoe is V/LA until July 7th
evilpacman18 is V/LA until July 8th

^this one is particularly telling. when my vote is the THIRD one on the wagon, saying that i just voted chevre when the lynch "was inevitable" is just flat out wrong.

[don_johnson]

you left the wagon. twice. point me to this exchange that you feel "jumpstarted" the wagon. its a pretty simple question. just like the question I asked you yesterday that took you forever to answer.

p-edit: I didn't say you voted when it was inevitable. that's part of the point. YOU DIDN"T VOTE. being on a wagon that is at L-2 and then JUMPING OFF is the issue. you are either seriously having trouble grasping this concept or you are being deliberately obtuse. I don't take you for a fool, so I don't know why you are fighting me on this unless you are scum. a townie would own up to the fact that they acted suspiciously. your still trying to defend it rather than accepting it and doing something more proactive.

[Antihero]

AND, IF YOU HAVE ANY FURTHER QUESTION

Official Vote Count

evilpacman18 (5):

Guyett, Misaka Network, reinoe, Antihero, Konowa [L-2]

reinoe (2):

Chevre

,

Aneninen

Chevre (2):

Boonskiies

, don_johnson

Antihero (1):

chaoslord54

Not Voting

: BroodKingEXE, evilpacman18, startfromtheheart

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Time Till Deadline: (expired on 2014-07-11 13:16:00)

reinoe is V/LA until July 7th

Prodding BroodKingEXE

bolded

are people off the EPM wagon who either implicitly or explicitly said they'd vote EPM.

[Antihero]

p-edit: I didn't say you voted when it was inevitable. that's part of the point. YOU DIDN"T VOTE. being on a wagon that is at L-2 and then JUMPING OFF is the issue. you are either seriously having trouble grasping this concept or you are being deliberately obtuse. I don't take you for a fool, so I don't know why you are fighting me on this unless you are scum. a townie would own up to the fact that they acted suspiciously. your still trying to defend it rather than accepting it and doing something more proactive.

so, you put the onus on me to "convince you", and then call me scummy when i do?

i've been over this 5 million times before.

i left the wagon to do a reads list before the day ended

, and i've linked it, said it, etc...

ISO BPC and look at the vote counts and you'll see where i jump started the wagon.

yeah, i'll be glad to quit talking to you. thanks for giving me permission.

[startfromtheheart]

chill

i actually think you might be town but youre just gonna cause frustration votes on yourself

also that chaos action claim - seems like chaos is being framed to be today's lynch ----> scum knowing chaos softed, having access to the game where chaos was most suspicious of reinoe outside of chevre, seeing that reinoe was telegraphing who a target would be - makes sense to keep chaos alive in that scenario

[Antihero]

yes, i jumped off of chevre onto EPM for emotional reasons.
would i do it again? yes. do i let emotion rule my mafia play? yes, more often than i'd like. will i ever stop letting it? no, not unless i get a lobotomy.

there. i've said my piece. and i'm finished with this discussion because i can talk until i'm blue in the face but you still won't listen because... i don't know. you don't like me.

i get it don. you don't like me.

we've still got a game to do and i'll be damned if i'm taking the fall for doing something that's not scummy.

[Antihero]

i actually think you might be town but youre just gonna cause frustration votes on yourself

really bert?

am i doing something out of line? nothing i've said even comes close to going into personal attack territory.
i asked if anyone besides don had a problem with me and nobody piped up and i even offered to replace out if someone did.

you didn't say anything.

[chaoslord54]

chill

i actually think you might be town but youre just gonna cause frustration votes on yourself

also that chaos action claim - seems like chaos is being framed to be today's lynch ----> scum knowing chaos softed, having access to the game where chaos was most suspicious of reinoe outside of chevre, seeing that reinoe was telegraphing who a target would be - makes sense to keep chaos alive in that scenario

That's exactly why I was hesitant to claim originally because I saw the potential to maybe get scum to reveal themselves. But that did not end up working as I originally planned but whatevs.

[chaoslord54]

i actually think you might be town but youre just gonna cause frustration votes on yourself

really bert?

am i doing something out of line? nothing i've said even comes close to going into personal attack territory.
i asked if anyone besides don had a problem with me and nobody piped up and i even offered to replace out if someone did.

you didn't say anything.

Dude Antihero, please calm down and stay on subject. Going into rants will not help us plus I think that startfromtheheart has a point. If you rant too much people are going to just feel like you're supporting Don's case by getting overly upset and vote you. If you are really town then please calm down so we can find the real scum

[startfromtheheart]

well what it did reveal was people started coming for you, including me.

[chaoslord54]

Also, does anybody at all support my EPM case? I noticed that Don seems to be a little on board with it but anyone else out there see what I mean by him being suspicious?

[startfromtheheart]

If you rant too much people are going to just feel like you're supporting Don's case

by getting overly upset and vote you. If you are really town then please calm down so we can find the real scum

this is on point, i just didnt know how to put it, but yeah that ^

[chaoslord54]

well what it did reveal was people started coming for you, including me.

Yea that's why I claimed because I saw that my plan was backfiring

[startfromtheheart]

well your case comes down to that you think EPM knew who died and was pretending to not be 'in the know'

what else am i missing

[BroodKingEXE]

Anti what's your read on me as of now. At the begginning of the day you had either Anen or me as Scum. You're flip flopping on a wagon again, only this time you haven't addressed your issue with it.

i'm

flip flopping?

says the guy who was on chaoslord at the beginning of the day when he was catching heat (from the previous day+bert at the beginning of the day) then switched to Anen for little reason.

you're going wherever it looks like the wagons are going. i bet you'll vote me next.

if you have something to post in response, then post it. referring vaguely to a part of the game isn't going to convince me. in my memory, you had little to nothing to do with the wagon's end other than chiming in and agreeing with ME.

you must have dementia then.
the only reason the chevre wagon ever got derailed in the first place was because EPM barreled in like a moose with his "OMG ANTI'S SO SCUMZORZ, also i'm not going to read" which triggered the EPM-shitfest that took place. i rejoined the chevre wagon because i thought i might have been getting sucked into a bad scumread with EPM just being a lazy ass and i said as much because i said something to the effect of "this feels right".

with me 1) having the numbers for an EPM lynch (see: anen and chevre's professed opinions at the time) and 2) catching all kinds of shit from fakegod re: chevre, i don't see how you could think

i'm

the busser here. so... i bussed when it mattered and didn't when it didn't matter? that's backwards.

You are flip-flopping. You don't believe in your Anen case enough to push a lynch on him. You'd been hard pushing him all day until I jump on the wagon and then you hop off the wagon. What is your current read on Anen? Why has he completely dropped off your radar?

[BroodKingEXE]

@Anti: when did I ever say Chaos is not scum. Look at it from my perspective. At the time when I was reading up on Anen, Chaos had been gone for 3 days (minus one including the night). I personally don't like to push inactives, because it kills discussion due to lack of content on the accused's part. I think I had posted 15 times in the span between Chaos first D2 post and the beginning of D2, I was worried that he might be prod dodging, so I wanted to pursue other things.

Anen was and still is looking scummy, so I have decided to pursue that. His response to your response is focusing on small details and trying to blow up an unlikely scenario to make you look bad. I'm willing to believe your side of the Chevre wagon in that you were unsure of who to lynch, and I believe that aspect of Anen's case is shaky at best. Not the same scenario as of now.