Organic Chemistry [GAME OVER]

[ZZZX]

And above post is why youir case is invalid.

[Speedy Saki]

This is not event card mafia, we do not have 6+ mislynches for us to go moseying around and lynching zzzx because of a potentially cancerous presence


Please focus on the marquis lynch Ty. GG and beast put your votes back.

[beastcharizard]

ZZZX, I don't ever talk about ongoing games.

I was under an alt during the game I am think of I think.

[Speedy Saki]

Let's lynch scum marquis! We have played more games with him than with zzzx. And marquis is scum

[beastcharizard]

I was mistaking. The game I was thinking of is another game where you town read marquis because of Meta. He just so happened to be town that game.

Lets lynch scum ZZZX first.

[Speedy Saki]

Unfortunately I categorize zzzx As dumb not scum.

Marquis is not dumb. He must be scum. Lynch him better

[Marquis]

i am town and i am upset

[Marquis]

metal sonic you are scum and we both know this

unfortunately the only other people who know this are your scummates

marquis,

i play with you a lot and i know you very well, which is the precise reason why I am scumreading you -- this isn't your town game.

all the PO players in this game can see this. me, beast, zzzx; all have played with you multiple times, with meta, and yes all agree that you are on the scum list.

but then you're in a deadlock. you

have

to OMGUS/counter-scumread me, because if you town read me, then you're validating my scumread on you -- not what you want. its like cop claiming guilty on you, then you counter claim cop and have a town on me -- not gonna fly.

thats why i'm so confident that you're going to flip scum. i have a pretty good idea that you're scum, and my reads are quite reliable, lots of meta, and the only thing you can possibly do is to counter me.

sorry bro just doing my job.

let me say this right off the bat: you're still scum, and i'm still town. but for the sake of the response... well, i was going to say i'll treat you as logically-thinking town, but we'll have to see where this goes.

you're saying that your scumread on me is forcing me to scumread you in return. so i come in ready to non-rvs-play on page 27, and in 698 + 715 + 717 + 719 my scumread on your hydra grows (i voted you in 719). however your 816 is the first instance i see of you scumreading me.

don't claim you scumread me first, and more than that don't claim that i'm only scumreading you because of that. i'm not feeling that this is your town game, and i'll comment more on this in particular at the end.

beast is the same way. he doesn't refer to me at all until i began to scumread him and talked about that scumread in 797 + 799 + my readslist in 802. the first mention of "doduo" or "marquis" in any of his posts is 801, and from then on it's an OMGUS read. (lol read 805)

(note: re-reading beast's 801, the second line in particular is giving me stronger scumvibes now. it completely matches what i would see as beast talking from a current-scum perspective. i'd rather focus on that as a wagon than lying cat, but there doesn't appear to be any support.)

i don't even recall any time that zzzx said i was scum. he not only says i'm town in 349 + 882, but goes as far as to call me "confirmed town" as far as he's concerned in 850. (there's a subtle implication of a townread too in 951 but let's throw that to the side for now.) so no, he actually doesn't agree with you that i'm scum, so stop trying to use him as an extra playername you can throw at me. pedit: 1466 has me as town too still but a bit weaker i guess. that's my fault (though i do think i have been posting game-relevant things lately! it's not all fluff so stop trying to dismiss it as that).

as for my read on zzzx, from the exchange between him and gg zzzx came out townier than he was earlier for me. i don't like the idea of lynching him today since i do think he's easy lynchbait, but lately i've not really been feeling anything strong either way about him, which does set off a few warning bells. zzzx usually has a strong presence at all times as town.

back @ metal sonic and referring to metal sonic + saki: as far as i can remember, in every game we've both played with each other as town we both had townvibes on the other and consequently, townreads as well. dark age of the law, the first knight errant, bravest warriors (off site), and vanilla/mountainous (off site) - all of these are large games in which we were both town and i remember at least on my part that i both identified you as town and had to deal with you being lynchbait of some sort.

but this is different - this is the first game where i'm town and am not getting townvibes from you, and considering our history can you see why it's freaking me out??? i'm pretty sure you're scum, but despite the posts that have rubbed me the wrong way, you've been making a few town-sounding points. so while i might be off in this one instance, i really don't think so. a lot of the reads you're making and lot of the stances you're agreeing with, not to mention your "early" readslist in 673, run so contrary to mine that i don't think we're the same alignment for once.

at this point it would probably strengthen my case to make a wall and call out the individual posts of yours that i find scummy, but i honestly can't be assed to at the moment. just know that your "read" on me is shit and your case of me scumreading you only because you're scumreading me? is shit too.

still feeling some relevancy here

[Marquis]

if either of marquis or beast are scum I think it clears the other. I was in that game where their hydra was scum and this interaction doesn't feel fake to me. I think it is likely that 1 of them are tho I am just not sure how to read the dynamics.

@ metal

you were in that game too, do you agree with what I just said?

VOTE: Marquis

Lol. Really, the bystandard effect? There are two people who are voting me at least. This isn't everyone thinking everyone else is going to make a case against me. You are stretching Marquis.

Maybe your mislynch wagon on me isn't picking up because it is horrible.

the bystander effect doesn't apply to making a case on you

this is it:

multiple people have already said that they want to lynch you if your lynch gained steam, yet the bystander effect applies in how they're waiting for other people to wagon you first.

what's so stupid about this whole situation is that your wagon simply isn't building up because the people waiting for your wagon to build up are just watching and not voting.

also, if you weren't scum there would have been at least one large wagon on you, guaranteed. your play is just that naturally scummy, and there are more than enough players here who don't know you well enough to defend you based on meta.

scum are constantly looking for mislynches.

i don't seriously believe scum thought

mastin

would be an easier mislynch than you, and to a lesser extent the perpetual

lying cat

wagon.

so who do you think are the scum sat out the mastina lynch and are sitting out the cat creatures (for the record I still think cat creatures are scum like I am pretty sure of it) "mislynch"?

here is the mastina lynch:

mastin2 - 9 (Lying Cat,

MTD

, Marquis, Guilty Gunsmith, ac1983fan, Wickedestjr,

Perpetual Nonsense

, vezokpiraka,

Titus

)

we have 3 town flips and I highly doubt that this was an all town wagon.

this is what cat creatures wagon looks like right now:

Lying Cat - 4 (Bulbazak, ZZZX, vezokpiraka, pirate mollie)

vezo whom is conftown is the only on both so I am not quite sure what you are saying here with your original point

I saw what you are saying mollie.

Time to kill scum marquis.

unvote
vote marquis

Apparently you don't see because that's not even what mollie was saying at all.

Like I'm really fucking pissed that scum wasn't dumb enough to kill you yet with all the mislynches you've been pushing.

I'll respond to more pressing things when I get home.

what exactly do you think that I am saying?

i interpreted your second quote using the first quote in that you weren't saying exactly that i was scum but that i could be, and that the second quote was just questioning only slightly leaning dangerous. and i thought it was really stupid how vezok apparently just needed that post to jump back onto me.

as for the mastin wagon i don't even remember what i was thinking. all it is is that when i look at beast's posts and iso and even hear him saying "my posts are scummy and i could be a lynch", what comes into my head is that beast is scum because at this point i highly doubt scum wouldn't jump at the chance to wagon him.

i've been pushing the beast wagon all game.

if i've been wrong this whole time and he's town, it's a very very easy wagon to get behind for his scummy posts alone. as town in other games, beast's typically been wagoned hard by now.

it makes more sense that he's scum because the beast wagon barely has anyone pushing it at all. i keep thinking scum are just ignoring and deflecting from the wagon on their partner.

smaller note, what i'm feeling from this lynch wagon is the same as i felt about the zekrom-scum wagon in anything goes: blatantly, obviously scum, and yet the wagon on him refuses to move forward because... why. idk. scum brakes? town "compromise lynch" and "only if the wagon builds"?

anyway i'm starting to feel a headache/fever/idk come on and i'm not really feeling up to further fruitless defense posts and statements atm. bbl

[Speedy Saki]

What if marquis is town and I've been wrong all game?


Lol nah

[Marquis]

slap

die scum

[Speedy Saki]

That is correct

Die scum

[beastcharizard]

VOTE: Marquis

You think I am scum because I haven't been run up? I am pretty sure there are only like 3 people whom I haven't been in a game with. Maybe they just know how I play as town. You should know how I play as town since I feel we know each other pretty well.

[Antihero]

i haven't done a vote count in 2.5 days?

holy shit

i'm such a bad mod...

[Marquis]

i might be wrong on my saki read

but fuck everything if i'm wrong on my beast read

[Marquis]

switch those two

[Marquis]

no nvm don't

i stand by 2939? yeah?

[Antihero]

Luche Reduction

The selective 1,2-reduction of enones with sodium borohydride is achieved in combination with CeCl3.

CeCl3 is a selective Lewis acid catalyst for the methanolysis of sodium borohydride. The resulting reagents, various sodium methoxyborohydrides, are harder reducing agents (according to HSAB principles) and therefore effect an 1,2-reduction with higher selectivity.

Vote Count 3.5

beastcharizard - 2 (ac1983fan, Marquis)
Lying Cat - 3 (Bulbazak, ZZZX, pirate mollie)
Marquis - 3 (Speedy Saki, beastcharizard, vezokpiraka)
pirate mollie - 1 (Wickedestjr)
Speedy Saki - 2 (Majiffy, Lying Cat)
ZZZX - 1 (Guilty Gunsmith)

Not Voting: PeregrineV

Wickedestjr is V/LA until July 16th.

7 to lynch. Deadline is in (expired on 2014-07-21 16:24:48).

[Marquis]

i'm at the point where i'm wondering if i should just claim with 6 days left

[Lying Cat]

I'm not going to declare V/LA with so little time left in the day, but be aware that I will likely be both grumpy and tired whenever I have a chance to post. I'm willing to trust sthar8 on MS for now, although the bastard never told me why him being 16 lead to a townread other than "It's not 4 in the morning anymore and I'm still thinking the same thing." I'll sheep the GG onto the ZZZX for now.

VOTE: ZZZX

[ZZZX]

I'm not going to declare V/LA with so little time left in the day, but be aware that I will likely be both grumpy and tired whenever I have a chance to post. I'm willing to trust sthar8 on MS for now, although the bastard never told me why him being 16 lead to a townread other than "It's not 4 in the morning anymore and I'm still thinking the same thing." I'll sheep the GG onto the ZZZX for now.

VOTE: ZZZX

Let me write that again for you,


"ZZZX has caught my scumminess and I am about to get lynched. So I follow a town player who is playing badly and get rid of ZZZX as a Counterwagon so I can get an easy mislynch on marquis/saki and win game!"

[Majiffy]

Marquis is town as fuck. Saki is scum as fuck. Get with the times, people.

[ZZZX]

Marquis is town as fuck. Saki is scum as fuck. Get with the times, people.

Well I agree with half of that I guess.

[Speedy Saki]

wow lying cat that was a

terrible

post

no surprise its written by jingle

how convenient you decided to "Sheep GG onto the ZZZX" now. why didn't you "Sheep GG onto the Marquis" like 24 hours earlier?

on account of that nice sthar being in the same slot as you are im giving you a chance.

vote marquis in your next post or im yielding to the conftown bulbazak and ultratown mollie and sending you straight to the gallows. (note: i dont care about the fool zzzx)




PS: Majiffy is dumb as fuck.

Remember your 1-man-wagon efforts sir? Here's what the head of the renowned Mafia Academy has to say:

This Saki wagon is, quite bluntly, scum-driven.
(Hey, Majiffy, you've finally gotten me so much as remotely interested in lynching Doduo. But they're still far, FAR more likely town than not, soyeah.)

Apparently my alignment changed when I switched from LC to Saki.

Not exactly. You went from 'maybe scum, strongly thinking scum' into 'almost certainly scum'.

But also Mastin was scumreading me when I was pushing the LC wagon that she jumped on.

Yes. Explicitly. I actually had my read on you greatly weakened (to "might be town", even!) because of it, but the strong possibility of a weak bus overrides that.

Because what have you done to push LC's lynch other than having placed your vote down? Aside from maybe a one-liner about "Read LC's iso"? Where's the case, the push, the drive to lynch LC? Where's the strong cases being raised up? Things townJiffy does. Things even a scum Majiffy will do, but on town players. Things that you've done for some players...but not LC.

But the LC wagon wasn't scum-driven.

Yes. Because your vote on LC was a throwaway vote (see above), the first on the wagon and with no effort to have it gain traction. You created the wagon; you've done nothing to

DRIVE

the wagon.

And the one vote Saki wagon is.

And still thinking yes. Because you weren't the first voter. You have put effort into it. You have raised points about Saki. You have been pushing them. You've been driving Saki, and even made it into a counterwagon to LC.

1 man wagon nostalgia sir

p-edit: stop spamming or i'll lynch you too

[Majiffy]

Mastin was dumb as fuck this game and your appeal to her is even worse.