Organic Chemistry [GAME OVER]

[Speedy Saki]

Also why the 180 on LC

The only thing they had posted in between these was his claim

Do pardon me if I thought you only had a change of heart BECAUSE of his claim

[Speedy Saki]

Yea I fully understand your gratitude of getting your invention from them 2 nights in a row. It wants. You to automatically want to read them town


As an outside observer

Jingle is scummy af

And you should read them as if the claim never happened because looking at it objectively it isn t alignment indicative

[EspeciallyTheLies]

ETL get back in your hydra you dirty dirty slipper.

I'll quote after my nap.

[EspeciallyTheLies]

ScumJingleStharPR would not give us the track. This I know.

[Speedy Saki]

I had the Track; Majiffy went nowhere. Was wondering if I could catch him lying about inventions, but yeh.

why did you track majiffy and not zzx thing if you had him as a stronger scumread?

like this does not make sense

Explain this cause it makes me unnervingly paranoid given the whole issue

[Majiffy]

ETL get back in your hydra you dirty dirty slipper.

I'll quote after my nap.

I was trying to rehost that exact image on imgur and post it myself but it wouldn't rehost T.T

I am glad that we think alike, though.

[EspeciallyTheLies]

LOL...

Saki I dont know that one. I wanted to track bulb again but ap submitted jiffy. And zzzx wasnt top scum at that time and also i was afk.

[Speedy Saki]

:/

Then Ap needs to explain that then



Lynch marquis with me

[EspeciallyTheLies]

No he's town again.

[EspeciallyTheLies]

I'm gonna nap now.

[Speedy Saki]

[Antihero]

the first post has been changed to reflect the shameless alt slippage.

proceed.

[pirate mollie]

UNVOTE:

jingle if you guys are town then why are ignoring me except to say that I am your top scumread yet

there is no fucking interaction from you

.

you aren't giving reasons as to why you think i am scum and it just looks like you are riding on the dissonance between you and star wrt your read on me.

this is a reach out. engage with me. talk to me. cos right now i am finding pretty freaking hard to see you as town.

I also think that marquis's softclaim is shit. I am seeing too many similarities to quick lynch and I wish you people would listen to me on it and help me sort him out other than saki. saki's push on marquis makes him seem more town in my eyes cos scum metal doesn't push THIS hard he certainly didn't do it in xeno2. he really believes that marquis is scum and I have say to that I am coming around and a marquis/cat creatures makes sense as scummates.

you know who else fits in this picture? WICKED. who has suddenly disappeared during this shitstorm.

[vezokpiraka]

I'm down forva wicked wagon. That guy should've been lynched day 1

[Lying Cat]

@Mollie- Talk to me about whatever you want. I promise to respond when I have the time.

Lynch candidates:
Marquis- I'm townreading slightly off of gut, but not as hard as Jiffy.
ZZZX- I'm not sure I can read him.
pirate mollie- Did fuck all, then began dogthoughts-ing it up after Titus died. Either intentionally misunderstanding posts or not paying enough attention.
Wickedestjr- Stale read, but All Hail POE!
beastcharizard- Did fuck all, and is beetlejuicing, and I want ETL to explain a town read here to me because I trust her judgement enough to put him off.

Conftown or Solved through PR's:
Bulbazak- If PV is town, town.
vezokpiraka- Mason.
PeregrineV- If AC000016 is town, town.
Lying Cat (Jingle + sthar8)- The worst people you'll ever meet.
ac000017- Copped tonight. Or I'll kill something. I will bribe anti to give me a nightkill and kill whatever doesn't cop him.

Not even on the lynch table (Town or forbidden)
Guilty Gunsmith (EspeciallyTheLies + AngryPidgeon)- Both me and sthar8 have had a hard townread on them for the entire game.
Speedy Saki (Saki + Metal Sonic)- Verbotten. But I'm gonna punch sthar8 if his reasoning is stupid.
Majiffy- Mostly gut. The place his MS push has come from warms the cockles of my heart. My cockles is burning.

[Lying Cat]

Yea I fully understand your gratitude of getting your invention from them 2 nights in a row. It wants. You to automatically want to read them town


As an outside observer

Jingle is scummy af

And you should read them as if the claim never happened because looking at it objectively it isn t alignment indicative

Except it is. Like, seriously, how is tracker inventor a useful role for scum in this game. It isn't. They can track a PR who is going to claim the next day anyway and then not be able to kill said PR because, surprise, all of the town Power really happens during the day phase. There is no reason for scum to have the tracker invent. Just like there was no reason for scum to have the doc-invent without a vig in the game.

[Wickedestjr]

Just got home from VLA like an hour or two ago. I have only speed skimmed the thread since I last posted earlier today and I will not read carefully until tomorrow. But I do want to rephrase my reasons for voting mollie.

pirate mollie- After checking her meta, I can agree that this doesn't look like town mollie. In post 2157 where she wishes she could replace out because she had given up, she blames her defeatist attitude on a lack of town cohesion. I have a few issues with this post; a.) she claims to have given up even though I can't recall her making a noticeable effort to begin with, b.) I don't think we lack town cohesion - at the time of her 'giving up' post, I think there were two reasonably sized bandwagons. c.) It is odd that she would criticize for the lack of town cohesion when she has been 'not voting' for a large percentage of the game and her reads have been fairly independent (e.g. mtd and gg reads). Speaking of mollie's reads, I remember Majiffy said that she was opposed to bussing. After checking a few of her scum games, I believe this to be true. mollie has voted for Titus, GG, and Marquis - I don't think she has ever voted for mafia this game. The Marquis vote is especially odd because five posts earlier (4 hours earlier) she said her top three was ZZZX, LC, and I. BTW, that seems like a very easy trio to suspect and I don't believe that's her top three.

Phone post

I'll summarize my suspicion of mollie later, but this post was made recently.

I am getting the too townie to be town vibe (plus his vote on me is opportunistic as fuck after I have said I don't feel plugged into the game) which is how I can nail muffina now. wicked and muffina are not from the same experience group but I am pretty sure muffina learned it from somewhere and it seems like wicked is from that experience group.

1. It is weird that you are worried about me being too townie to be town given that your only other two suspects are Marquis and LC.
2. It is really weird that you call my vote on you opportunistic. A. I'm the only one voting you. B. I'm voting you partially because I don't believe in your detached attitude - is that detached attitude supposed to protect you from every lynch? C. Two of your three suspects are the top two bandwagons right now and I (your third suspect) was also a popular choice at one point.
3. Your experience group comment is weird for the same reason that your too townie to be town comment is. Again I have past games.

*Plus she keeps complaining about my lack of activity during time periods where I say I am VLA even though she has been even more detached from this game.


You guys should vote for her.

I'm down forva wicked wagon. That guy should've been lynched day 1

I don't understand you. Do you think mollie and I are scum together? Because I thought you suspected mollie too. Are you at all interested in lynching her? Given that I've explained my suspicion of her, I'm trying, and given that she's detached, not trying, hasn't explained her suspicion of me. Why in the world would you choose me over her? The only reasoning you ever had for suspecting me was surrounding my early LC vote (even though you've voted LC today). If it's for the general gut feel that I give off, then you need to meta me.

I think I have a good case against mollie. Trust me when I say that I've town read various people with the detached/lazy attitude in past games but I'm not getting the same genuine/town feel from mollie here.

[Wickedestjr]

Lying Cat you should vote mollie too!

[Lying Cat]

I'm at work and don't have time for a big post

Then make the other one post. There's two of you. No reason for fucking lurking unless you are scum.

Sthar8 is off in the woods teaching kids to burn down forests and stab themselves with sharp implements (summer camp.) You're stuck with me, and I'm close to sitelurking atm because RL, which you might remember from SC's game, and working all of sthar8's hours this week.

You should know better than anyone that I like to make sthar8 do all the posting when we

hydra

roll scum.

FTFY.

also. i hate you.

UNVOTE:

Except that the only game where I didn't lurk to some extent as LC was Watch Your Step where sthar8 basically only claimed scum and I was a universal enough townread that I got shot anyway. No, I'm never going to stop bringing it up. It was hilarious. And also you love me, so stop lying to yourself.

[Marquis]

They can track a PR who is going to claim the next day anyway and then not be able to kill said PR because, surprise, all of the town Power really happens during the day phase.

reexplain this

[Lying Cat]

UNVOTE:

jingle if you guys are town then why are ignoring me except to say that I am your top scumread yet

there is no fucking interaction from you

.

you aren't giving reasons as to why you think i am scum and it just looks like you are riding on the dissonance between you and star wrt your read on me.

this is a reach out. engage with me. talk to me. cos right now i am finding pretty freaking hard to see you as town.

I also think that marquis's softclaim is shit. I am seeing too many similarities to quick lynch and I wish you people would listen to me on it and help me sort him out other than saki. saki's push on marquis makes him seem more town in my eyes cos scum metal doesn't push THIS hard he certainly didn't do it in xeno2. he really believes that marquis is scum and I have say to that I am coming around and a marquis/cat creatures makes sense as scummates.

you know who else fits in this picture? WICKED. who has suddenly disappeared during this shitstorm.

No real dissonance here, actually. I think you're scum, and sthar8 wanted to let you post more because "She reminds me of Faith +1." Like, a whole dayphase ago. We haven't talked about you recently. Still, I'm a pretty chill guy. Let's talk. Why are you so gung ho about MS being town when:

also metal is lynchbait and every1 knows this. it is why i have no plans on lynching him. ever. majiffy is making arguments which apply to any1 but metal. I haven't played against scummetal before but if he could do a "<3 mollie" as scum and not fear for his eternal soul then I just don't know what to do.

Is there some magical pill I can take that'll let me tell someone's town and scum games apart having never seen one of them?

[Lying Cat]

They can track a PR who is going to claim the next day anyway and then not be able to kill said PR because, surprise, all of the town Power really happens during the day phase.

reexplain this

Sure. Say I give a scum the track. There are 5 night actions (unless I'm really missing something here). Scum can track:

The Doc.
The Cop.
The Nightkill.
The Track.
The JK.

Normally, for scum, tracking the doc, cop, or JK would be good utility because now you know that that player has a PR, and you can murder the shit out of them the next night. With inventors, however, that player is not a PR, and instead was just chosen for that night. They will almost certainly claim the action immediately the next day. Scum has gained 0 information. They can't even use it to give a scumbuddy an innocent, because in the event that track innos mean anything (one scum remaining) then scum can't choose to track themselves. It is useless as a scum role.

[ZZZX]

@Mollie- Talk to me about whatever you want. I promise to respond when I have the time.

Lynch candidates:
Marquis- I'm townreading slightly off of gut, but not as hard as Jiffy.
ZZZX- I'm not sure I can read him.
pirate mollie- Did fuck all, then began dogthoughts-ing it up after Titus died. Either intentionally misunderstanding posts or not paying enough attention.
Wickedestjr- Stale read, but All Hail POE!
beastcharizard- Did fuck all, and is beetlejuicing, and I want ETL to explain a town read here to me because I trust her judgement enough to put him off.

Conftown or Solved through PR's:
Bulbazak- If PV is town, town.
vezokpiraka- Mason.
PeregrineV- If AC000016 is town, town.
Lying Cat (Jingle + sthar8)- The worst people you'll ever meet.
ac000017- Copped tonight. Or I'll kill something. I will bribe anti to give me a nightkill and kill whatever doesn't cop him.

Not even on the lynch table (Town or forbidden)
Guilty Gunsmith (EspeciallyTheLies + AngryPidgeon)- Both me and sthar8 have had a hard townread on them for the entire game.
Speedy Saki (Saki + Metal Sonic)- Verbotten. But I'm gonna punch sthar8 if his reasoning is stupid.
Majiffy- Mostly gut. The place his MS push has come from warms the cockles of my heart. My cockles is burning.

So let me read this right. Since you cant read me at all lynching me si the key? You are one confusing thing. We were on me yet you left your scum reads and sheaped on me? And you town read marquis yet you want him lynched.? What the serious fuck dude.

[ZZZX]

They can track a PR who is going to claim the next day anyway and then not be able to kill said PR because, surprise, all of the town Power really happens during the day phase.

reexplain this

Sure. Say I give a scum the track. There are 5 night actions (unless I'm really missing something here). Scum can track:

The Doc.
The Cop.
The Nightkill.
The Track.
The JK.

Normally, for scum, tracking the doc, cop, or JK would be good utility because now you know that that player has a PR, and you can murder the shit out of them the next night. With inventors, however, that player is not a PR, and instead was just chosen for that night. They will almost certainly claim the action immediately the next day. Scum has gained 0 information. They can't even use it to give a scumbuddy an innocent, because in the event that track innos mean anything (one scum remaining) then scum can't choose to track themselves. It is useless as a scum role.

If you target a common lynch target and found him moving you can frame him to be scum hard. Cant you?

[Lying Cat]

They can track a PR who is going to claim the next day anyway and then not be able to kill said PR because, surprise, all of the town Power really happens during the day phase.

reexplain this

Sure. Say I give a scum the track. There are 5 night actions (unless I'm really missing something here). Scum can track:

The Doc.
The Cop.
The Nightkill.
The Track.
The JK.

Normally, for scum, tracking the doc, cop, or JK would be good utility because now you know that that player has a PR, and you can murder the shit out of them the next night. With inventors, however, that player is not a PR, and instead was just chosen for that night. They will almost certainly claim the action immediately the next day. Scum has gained 0 information. They can't even use it to give a scumbuddy an innocent, because in the event that track innos mean anything (one scum remaining) then scum can't choose to track themselves. It is useless as a scum role.

If you target a common lynch target and found him moving you can frame him to be scum hard. Cant you?

No. Because tracking doc or JK to the kill is impossible and tracking the cop to the kill wouldn't give a hard guilty, because that cop would be the only one to claim a cop action.

@Mollie- Talk to me about whatever you want. I promise to respond when I have the time.

Lynch candidates:
Marquis- I'm townreading slightly off of gut, but not as hard as Jiffy.
ZZZX- I'm not sure I can read him.
pirate mollie- Did fuck all, then began dogthoughts-ing it up after Titus died. Either intentionally misunderstanding posts or not paying enough attention.
Wickedestjr- Stale read, but All Hail POE!
beastcharizard- Did fuck all, and is beetlejuicing, and I want ETL to explain a town read here to me because I trust her judgement enough to put him off.

Conftown or Solved through PR's:
Bulbazak- If PV is town, town.
vezokpiraka- Mason.
PeregrineV- If AC000016 is town, town.
Lying Cat (Jingle + sthar8)- The worst people you'll ever meet.
ac000017- Copped tonight. Or I'll kill something. I will bribe anti to give me a nightkill and kill whatever doesn't cop him.

Not even on the lynch table (Town or forbidden)
Guilty Gunsmith (EspeciallyTheLies + AngryPidgeon)- Both me and sthar8 have had a hard townread on them for the entire game.
Speedy Saki (Saki + Metal Sonic)- Verbotten. But I'm gonna punch sthar8 if his reasoning is stupid.
Majiffy- Mostly gut. The place his MS push has come from warms the cockles of my heart. My cockles is burning.

So let me read this right. Since you cant read me at all lynching me si the key? You are one confusing thing. We were on me yet you left your scum reads and sheaped on me? And you town read marquis yet you want him lynched.? What the serious fuck dude.

I'd lynch anyone off of that first list, but Marquis is the one I'd like least. Sthar8 is hard town-reading MS, and told me I wasn't allowed to vote him before he left town, so moving from him to you wasn't a hard choice at all.