Newbie 1515: Old-Timey Mafia [GAME OVER]

[Maestro]

Votecount 2.02 - Thursday, July 17th @ 9:10 PM EST

Honey bee -

0

^[L-4]

Bins -

0

^[L-4]

Boonskiies -

1

^[L-3]

Jake from State Farm
Brian Skies -

0

^[L-4]

TheGottemer -

0

^[L-4]

Jake from State Farm -

3

^[L-1]

Boonskiies, TheGottemer, Bins
Thesp -

0

^[L-4]

With

[7]

alive it takes

[4]

to Lynch or No Lynch.

ACTIVITY CHECK:

Not Voting:

Honey bee, Brian Skies, Thesp

Deadline is in ... (expired on 2014-07-30 22:43:00)

[Bins]

HE'S TOWN AND LYING AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH.

This game makes me paranoid. I'm breaking down.

WHY DOESN'T HE NEED DEATH TODAY

pedit - mods are cheaters

[Brian Skies]

Anyhow, I feel more inclined to believe Jake's partner would be Bins. But that's just me and no one cares about what I think.

[Jake from State Farm]

Cause it's not optimal play from a general gameplay. You lynch the guilty first instead of the claimed tracker.

I'd love to stay and lynch boon , I just have no way of proving I'm town and he's lying

[Bins]

Hmm. I love you Brian, but that doesn't make sense because you obviously want me gone. </3

But honestly why me?

No wall post please. Hate those things.

[Thesp]

VOTE: Jake from State Farm
The less said at this moment, the better.

[Maestro]

Votecount 2.FINAL - Thursday, July 17th @ 9:22 PM EST

Boonskiies -

1

^[L-3]

Jake from State Farm
Jake from State Farm -

4

^[L-0]

Boonskiies, TheGottemer, Bins, Thesp

LYNCH

With

[7]

alive it took

[4]

to Lynch or No Lynch.

ACTIVITY CHECK:

Not Voting:

Honey bee, Brian Skies

Night Action Deadline is in ... (expired on 2014-07-19 21:23:00)

Jake from State Farm was Lynched Day 2. He was a

Vanilla Townie

.

[Maestro]

Apologies for the late opening. Artscape volunteering killed me yesterday.
TheGottemer was Killed Night 1. He was a

Vanilla Townie

.

Votecount 3.01 - Monday, July 21st @ 4:11 AM EST

Honey bee -

0

^[L-3]

Bins -

0

^[L-3]

Boonskiies -

0

^[L-3]

Brian Skies -

0

^[L-3]

Thesp -

0

^[L-3]

With

[5]

alive it takes

[3]

to Lynch or No Lynch.

ACTIVITY CHECK:

Not Voting:

Honey bee, Bins, Boonskiies, Brian Skies, Thesp

Deadline is in ... (expired on 2014-08-04 04:11:00)

[Boonskiies]

Before we hop on a wagon and go and lynch me, let me explain. Gonna post this now and I will be typing it up. So

IF YOU ARE TOWN....DO NOT VOTE YET.

[Boonskiies]

Alright, let me go on a record and say my exact reasoning for all of my play yesterDay. By the way,

WE ARE IN LYLO SITUATION

I am actually the Town Cop.

Night 1, I investigated Thesp and got a No Result, which means I was role blocked. This made it so I was the only one to know what the setup in the game was, making a tracker claim completely irrefutable. I initially did expect Jake as scum, and him reacting made me super suspicious of him. It wasn't until nearing the end did I figure out he actually was town, and by then, if I had retracted my claim, I surely would have been lynched that day. Me being a PR, thought it best that I stay alive over him as I was surely not going to get NK'd due to suspicion. Now, the scum team obviously knew I was lying about being tracker, but they couldn't out me because it would give away that the only way they could know was because one of them is a Mafia Roleblocker. I know there's a doctor out there.

Now...Scum was probably happy that a town member was doing work for them. Who wouldn't go along with a claimed guilty? That is why I believe that there is scum on the Jake wagon. I originally believed it to be Gottemer and Thesp, which is why last night I investigated Gottemer. I did not see him dying in the night tonight...I honestly expected a Brian death.

All this being said, after the thread, I actually believe Bins is the scummiest. I hadn't even suspected her until night phase. I'm going to go on record to saying she is the roleblocker, as she knew that I wasn't the tracker, and I was just being stupid townie. I didn't get role blocked because of it. I'll do some ISO quote's on her in my next post.

As for the second scum member, I am leaning towards Thesp as I honestly did believe either Jake or Thesp was scum. However...I don't believe Thesp would have killed Gottemer, and I believe that scum is someone newer. Gottemer dying wasn't the best move, as he was an easier wagon than Honey Bee and Brian. That being said...I don't have any suspicions on Honey Bee, but after rereading the thread I do believe Brian to be town. So Honey Bee/Thesp are my reads.

If we don't myslynch toDay, I believe this is certain to be a town win.

[Boonskiies]

Honey bee -- Town. Not really anything to say, just get a town vibe at this moment. Provides good content,

has good town reads

, and asks good questions. She's only made 8 posts so that's about as much as I can say.

She has good reads in people who she thinks is town? How would you know if they are correct are not? I believe this was a slip up, and you covered it up in a later post.

Do you have experience playing mafia outside of MafiaScum? You don't strike me as an inexperienced player.

... I played the party game? Other than that, nope. Totally honest saying my last game was my first online mafia game. My boyfriend (who got me into this) told me all the terminology and stuff. I read a lot before I started playing as well. That's why I recognize a lot of people's playstyles.

So she

is

a new player, which would explain the Got death. She also commented on thinking the scum team is new early on. Why would she say that?

Yeah, everyone knew Cheery was gonna kick the bucket. Guess we don't have a Doctor/Jailkeeper.

OR MAYBE IT'S BOON. Or it's Gott. ;_________;

God fkn dammit.

VOTE: Brian

I'm going back to this.

If she is scum, she knows that there is a roleblocker, which means there is either a doctor or a jailkeeper in the game. I believe she was trying to out a PR to help figure out the rest of the game, and now who to role block.

Welp, I thought he had more than two games.

Anyways, his votes were like that in his game where he was town. I elaborate . My opinions are easily changed if given good reason. I like people arguing against me. I need to get a feel of the game first.

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Scum-o-Meter

i'm a formatting artist

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I think scum is in newbs. And the experienced players are just fighting with eachother. This is gut. Not sure if that makes sense at all, just how I feel.

Honey bee -- Town. Not really anything to say, just get a town vibe at this moment. Provides good content, has good town reads, and asks good questions. She's only made 8 posts so that's about as much as I can say.

Cheery Dog -- Town vibes. Seems very protown, gives new opinions, I like it.

BoroPhil -- null leaning null. I should be able to say more but idk. This is how I feel automatically when someone goes, "Lynch me but you'll be lynching town." It just makes my brain mad at itself.

Thesp & Jake

sorry you probably don't want to be put together

-- Not really feeling the hefty scumness from both of them that they were acusing eachother of. I didn't like the tunnelling at first but I think it's okay right now. I'll admit, I haven't read the indepth meta posts. I'm going to do that first thing in the morning. Question for both: At this moment, do you have any strong town or scum reads other than the obvious? Jake, WHY ARE YOU ALWAYS GETTING INTO FIGHTS WITH THE IC, DUDE? I read the Nero Cain game when I first started playing and now this. And the weird thing occurred to me: I think this fighting is Town v Town. There's a lot more to say but I'm tired and I think there's enough out there mentioned. I don't think you're scummy... I just question some of your moves. Honestly, if I HAD to put one over the other: Thesp seems less scummy because I don't think scum would blatantly tunnel so hard on someone.

Note: I believe one of these three is scum if two of these guys aren't (if that wasn't clear). I don't think any of them are scum together.

Boonskiies -- null leaning it's just the Boon. Null mostly because I get this feel that he just has an odd playstyle/reads. Really don't like the votes he's made though and the reasons he's provided. They seem jumpy as fuck and mostly baseless. However, it just seems like playstyle more than a scumtell. Eh, I still don't like it though. Will see once I get a better feel of this game.

Flames682/Brain

hue

Skies -- Flames made me uncomfortable because of his votes/positions on wagons. Leaning scum. I'll also admit that I read over his first game and he got lynched Night 1 as town. His votes were jumpy like now so I'm not sure if it's just him or what. I also don't like the replacements posts, even though it's long and insightful.

TheGottemer -- I don't like lack of inactivity and his votes made me uncomfortable. Did not like. I swear this was his thought process so far:
> ayo gonna be super unhelping for town and be away and stuff and post useless shit
> i'm also going to not have any town reads
> whoa someone voted
> better hop on this wagon
If not scum, at least extremely anti-town.

I'll repeat: these aren't accusations or anything. I want to get people talking. I want to see if anyone can change my opinions. I'm most definitely not 100% set on anything.

-- I'll definitely go more indepth if anyone asks me questions about anything. That's the point.
I made this post pretty fast as well, please correct me if I'm misinterpreting something.

Three things here. The first and third bolding is about me and my playstyle. Keep that in mind for the next quote I have.
the second thing is the quote I was talking about where she assumed the scum team was noob.

Boon and Brian?

I looked over Boon's first town game and it doesn't look like this. Ehhhhhhxhxjskkaka.

I need Thesp to talk more with me in game so I get a better feel.

I actually think Jake might be right. Boon, Brian or Thesp.

Interesting contradiction you have there. She looked over my games, and it both does look like this game and doesn't? Hmm....which is it?

You went from serious and good -------> troll as fuck.

And it continues.

I'm down to vote Jake with this new info.

I don't think Jake is scum, waaaaaaaaah.

I really, really, really don't think Jake is scum.

You talk in a way that seems like you know that Boon is scum. As you should, if Boon is lying - meaning you are VT, you know that Boon is scum. Cause fk him if he's Town and I'm going to honestly assume he's not town AND lying.

> boon if you're lying and you're town pls take it back, i'll still love you.

Anyways, you would be pushing for his lynch, not just being "ok" with us mislynching.

Like, > "no excuses he's getting lynched tmmr"...
he should be lynched today if you know he's lying.

VOTE: jake

Don't think Jake is scum. You really, really don't think he is scum. Oh, wait, you vote him and think he's scum now? oh wait, you know he's town, and you think you can get an easy wagon on me toDay? Nice.

HE'S TOWN AND LYING AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH.

This game makes me paranoid. I'm breaking down.

WHY DOESN'T HE NEED DEATH TODAY

pedit - mods are cheaters

You think that I am town and lying, yet you don't unvote on jake. Interesting...
Also, you think i am town, but you ask why I shouldn't be lynched today? Because I am town, that's why. You don't lynch confirmed town, even if they were lying at some point.

So, Bins is scum guys. I don't want to vote yet though, because in the off chance I am wrong, the two scum could technically vote and lynch her, winning the game for scum. But I do incline on voting eventually, just want other peoples' thoughts first.

[Boonskiies]

@mod - I messed up with my last post; my quotes are weird. Can we hide it? I'm putting everything that was there on this post.

Can everyone just not acknowledge that last post, it's messy and odd to read because of my quotes.

Honey bee -- Town. Not really anything to say, just get a town vibe at this moment. Provides good content,

has good town reads

, and asks good questions. She's only made 8 posts so that's about as much as I can say.

She has good reads in people who she thinks is town? How would you know if they are correct are not? I believe this was a slip up, and you covered it up in a later post.

Do you have experience playing mafia outside of MafiaScum? You don't strike me as an inexperienced player.

... I played the party game? Other than that, nope. Totally honest saying my last game was my first online mafia game. My boyfriend (who got me into this) told me all the terminology and stuff. I read a lot before I started playing as well. That's why I recognize a lot of people's playstyles.

So she

is

a new player, which would explain the Got death. She also commented on thinking the scum team is new early on. Why would she say that?

Yeah, everyone knew Cheery was gonna kick the bucket. Guess we don't have a Doctor/Jailkeeper.

OR MAYBE IT'S BOON. Or it's Gott. ;_________;

God fkn dammit.

VOTE: Brian

I'm going back to this.

If she is scum, she knows that there is a roleblocker, which means there is either a doctor or a jailkeeper in the game. I believe she was trying to out a PR to help figure out the rest of the game, and now who to role block.

Welp, I thought he had more than two games.

Anyways, his votes were like that in his game where he was town. I elaborate . My opinions are easily changed if given good reason. I like people arguing against me. I need to get a feel of the game first.

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Scum-o-Meter

i'm a formatting artist

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I think scum is in newbs. And the experienced players are just fighting with eachother. This is gut. Not sure if that makes sense at all, just how I feel.

Honey bee -- Town. Not really anything to say, just get a town vibe at this moment. Provides good content, has good town reads, and asks good questions. She's only made 8 posts so that's about as much as I can say.

Cheery Dog -- Town vibes. Seems very protown, gives new opinions, I like it.

BoroPhil -- null leaning null. I should be able to say more but idk. This is how I feel automatically when someone goes, "Lynch me but you'll be lynching town." It just makes my brain mad at itself.

Thesp & Jake

sorry you probably don't want to be put together

-- Not really feeling the hefty scumness from both of them that they were acusing eachother of. I didn't like the tunnelling at first but I think it's okay right now. I'll admit, I haven't read the indepth meta posts. I'm going to do that first thing in the morning. Question for both: At this moment, do you have any strong town or scum reads other than the obvious? Jake, WHY ARE YOU ALWAYS GETTING INTO FIGHTS WITH THE IC, DUDE? I read the Nero Cain game when I first started playing and now this. And the weird thing occurred to me: I think this fighting is Town v Town. There's a lot more to say but I'm tired and I think there's enough out there mentioned. I don't think you're scummy... I just question some of your moves. Honestly, if I HAD to put one over the other: Thesp seems less scummy because I don't think scum would blatantly tunnel so hard on someone.

Note: I believe one of these three is scum if two of these guys aren't (if that wasn't clear). I don't think any of them are scum together.

Boonskiies -- null leaning it's just the Boon. Null mostly because I get this feel that he just has an odd playstyle/reads. Really don't like the votes he's made though and the reasons he's provided. They seem jumpy as fuck and mostly baseless. However, it just seems like playstyle more than a scumtell. Eh, I still don't like it though. Will see once I get a better feel of this game.

Flames682/Brain

hue

Skies -- Flames made me uncomfortable because of his votes/positions on wagons. Leaning scum. I'll also admit that I read over his first game and he got lynched Night 1 as town. His votes were jumpy like now so I'm not sure if it's just him or what. I also don't like the replacements posts, even though it's long and insightful.

TheGottemer -- I don't like lack of inactivity and his votes made me uncomfortable. Did not like. I swear this was his thought process so far:
> ayo gonna be super unhelping for town and be away and stuff and post useless shit
> i'm also going to not have any town reads
> whoa someone voted
> better hop on this wagon
If not scum, at least extremely anti-town.

I'll repeat: these aren't accusations or anything. I want to get people talking. I want to see if anyone can change my opinions. I'm most definitely not 100% set on anything.

-- I'll definitely go more indepth if anyone asks me questions about anything. That's the point.
I made this post pretty fast as well, please correct me if I'm misinterpreting something.

Three things here. The first and third bolding is about me and my playstyle. Keep that in mind for the next quote I have.
the second thing is the quote I was talking about where she assumed the scum team was noob.

Boon and Brian?

I looked over Boon's first town game and it doesn't look like this. Ehhhhhhxhxjskkaka.

I need Thesp to talk more with me in game so I get a better feel.

I actually think Jake might be right. Boon, Brian or Thesp.

Interesting contradiction you have there. She looked over my games, and it both does look like this game and doesn't? Hmm....which is it?

You went from serious and good -------> troll as fuck.

And it continues.

I'm down to vote Jake with this new info.

I don't think Jake is scum, waaaaaaaaah.

I really, really, really don't think Jake is scum.

You talk in a way that seems like you know that Boon is scum. As you should, if Boon is lying - meaning you are VT, you know that Boon is scum. Cause fk him if he's Town and I'm going to honestly assume he's not town AND lying.

> boon if you're lying and you're town pls take it back, i'll still love you.

Anyways, you would be pushing for his lynch, not just being "ok" with us mislynching.

Like, > "no excuses he's getting lynched tmmr"...
he should be lynched today if you know he's lying.

VOTE: jake

Don't think Jake is scum. You really, really don't think he is scum. Oh, wait, you vote him and think he's scum now? oh wait, you know he's town, and you think you can get an easy wagon on me toDay? Nice.

HE'S TOWN AND LYING AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH.

This game makes me paranoid. I'm breaking down.

WHY DOESN'T HE NEED DEATH TODAY

pedit - mods are cheaters

You think that I am town and lying, yet you don't unvote on jake. Interesting...
Also, you think i am town, but you ask why I shouldn't be lynched today? Because I am town, that's why. You don't lynch confirmed town, even if they were lying at some point.

So, Bins is scum guys. I don't want to vote yet though, because in the off chance I am wrong, the two scum could technically vote and lynch her, winning the game for scum. But I do incline on voting eventually, just want other peoples' thoughts first.[/quote]

[Boonskiies]

@Mod - I messed up again on my first section. I'll just put it here though.

Guys...that first section of my post, I messed up on...

Honey bee -- Town. Not really anything to say, just get a town vibe at this moment. Provides good content,

has good town reads

, and asks good questions. She's only made 8 posts so that's about as much as I can say.

She has good reads in people who she thinks is town? How would you know if they are correct are not? I believe this was a slip up, and you covered it up in a later post.

Do you have experience playing mafia outside of MafiaScum? You don't strike me as an inexperienced player.

... I played the party game? Other than that, nope. Totally honest saying my last game was my first online mafia game. My boyfriend (who got me into this) told me all the terminology and stuff. I read a lot before I started playing as well. That's why I recognize a lot of people's playstyles.[/quote]


So she

is

a new player, which would explain the Got death. She also commented on thinking the scum team is new early on. Why would she say that?

[Boonskiies]

[quote="In

Honey bee -- Town. Not really anything to say, just get a town vibe at this moment. Provides good content,

has good town reads

, and asks good questions. She's only made 8 posts so that's about as much as I can say.

Um.. well maybe your talking about my thing about cheery dog in post 173?
As I said, I don't think about towniness very much, and I am not ready to rule out anyone out of the game right now. Unless town reads to you mean something different?

Also what do you not like about Brian's posts?

This was Honey Bees only comment towards Bins. Scum not acknowledging each other much is a tell.

Are you town? if you are town you should give us all your reads.

Why would you ask if I was town? Anyone in their right mind would say they are town, despite their alignment. You being scum make you slip?

My suspicions are Jake, Thesp, and Brian. No specific order. I don't believe that both Thesp and Jake are scum though. Honey and Bins I have pretty strong town reads. And Gottemer...meh. He could go either way. Haven't looked much into it. For now, though, because of the reaction he gave to my first post of the day, which I was actually looking to see how the first person would reply to it as, I believe Jake is a safe bet to say is scum.

VOTE: Jake

If you really tracked jake and don't believe that both jake and thesp are scum together, Then why do you suspect thesp..

and why did you not wait until everyone posted their thoughts to claim?

No I do not have a counter claim, but this isn't making sense, and I'm not voting until it does.

You were the only one who tried to refute this. Why? Because you know the setup. You know I was lying about being tracker. Why else would someone not believe a guilty claim that wasn't countered?

[Bins]

Yeaaaaaaah... no.
Stop trying to desperately tear apart my ISO. You're not getting anywhere.

I explained the Honey Bee comment. It's dumb you'd use that against me. And my Jake read? I was serious the entire time. I was forced to vote him because of your claim. You would know that if you actually had a town mentality.

The fact you're point a Got kill towards me is insulting. You're talking about this entire thing like you planned it throughout the night.

Fuck you if you're town.
Fuck you for making me kill my town read.
Thesp or Brian is your partner.

VOTE: Boon

I'm not backing out of this.

[Bins]

Oh, and if anyone has a claim, they better do so now because I'm not unvoting.

[Thesp]

I'm waiting for everyone else to weigh in before placing my vote simply because I'm pondering the benefit of a massclaim today, but I'm currently thinking it might be better to wait until tomorrow to do it. I don't see a scenario where I don't vote for Boonskiies today.

[Honey bee]

I doubted your claim boonskiies because It didn't make any sense and you were literally contradicting yourself.

and I asked borophil if they were town AFTER you hammered.. I wasn't looking for a slip I wanted to see his reads if he was flipping town.

[Thesp]

I doubted your claim boonskiies because It didn't make any sense and you were literally contradicting yourself.

and I asked borophil if they were town AFTER you hammered.. I wasn't looking for a slip I wanted to see his reads if he was flipping town.

So what do you think of Boonskiies?

[Honey bee]

I'm pretty sure he's scum.

[Bins]

I'm VT.
I'm okay with a mass-claim. I'm definitely okay with our PR out-ing himself if it's helpful.
But I don't see why it's necessary unless our cop (if we have one) has info.

Boon is scum.
In what god damn universe would Cop fake claim Tracker on Day 2?

[Honey bee]

I'm a vanilla town as well.

Do you have any thoughts on who his partner is bins? I'm thinking thesp right now, that hammer was felt like it was just trying to end discussion.

[Brian Skies]

Doc

N1 Honeybee
N2 Thesp

Will look at this later.

[Bins]

UNVOTE:

Fuck. Fuck Boon.
Fuck this for now.

[Thesp]

Good enough for me.

I'm the cop, and I investigated TheGottemer on N1, and Bins on N2. Bins is innocent.

If Boonskiies flips Roleblocker, then Brian Skiies is necessarily the Doctor, and Honey Bee is

necessarily

the Mafia Goon. If Boonskiies flips Goon, Brian Skiies could be lying, but I'm likelier to think it's Honey bee (but not sure, I'd need to re-read). In any case, Bins is confirmed to be innocent.