↑ borkjerfkin wrote:↑ Feu et Vol wrote:↑ SnowStorm wrote:"Titus is not pushing things well" - What does that mean? How is that a scum tell?
"is constantly just screaming I am Town listen to me" - Again, how is this a scum tell?
"their push on Venmar makes no sense what so ever" - Since when is making no sense a sign of scum?
What's all that about trolling?
And that last paragraph, what? You're arguing that Titus tunneling on you but not being convinced/not voting you is a scum tell? Why would she do that as scum? I mean, why would she tunnel on you as scum if she had no intention to mislynch you?
1. Titus seems to believe as town they are a godsend. If this were to be true then their logic would be easy to follow. It is not easy to follow here. They find the littlest things and just harp on the relentlessly. This is a scum tell because scum have to do everything they can to get a mislynch and they have to find the littlest things to push them with.
2. This is a scum tell because most of their posts are just that. Screaming that they are town and should be listened too. It doesn't come off as genuine town frustration but scum frustration that they can't get a single person to listen to the convuluted reasons to scum-read people. They also can't back down though because that would be a scum claim because apparently Town Titus tunnels people to death.
3.There should at least be some sort of followable logic in their push on Venmar but I don't see it. I classify their push their just like the push on Marquis based on nothing but tells that aren't real.
4. Titus thinks that town Marquis should troll in every game or else they are scum. They don't care the situation or the circumstances they just want Marquis to troll.
5. Why would town scream and shout about how scum I am but yet not vote me? It is Titus being able to later come back to once again push my mislynch. They know they won't get it today so they have to reserve it for later. The tunneling part goes back to the fact that Town Titus apparently tunnels people so Titus has to continue to tunnel me or else they would no longer look town to people, in their own eyes.
-Beast
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How is titus town?
Thank you for following up and I really like this post as far as reinforcing my townread on you, especially seeing where you're head is at with points #1 and #3 - Titus is making some points that I think are really pants on head. I think #4 is also contributing to a bunk read on you guys from her.
I just don't know if I think that's scummy or not overall or just really out of touch in certain spots. I think the confidence, playing mediator to her town reads, and trying to generally drive the game is what's swinging me the other way.
↑ Speaker for the Dead wrote:
it didn't really come out of nowhere I mean you have access to the qt and this thread so
↑ Titus wrote:
Sometimes you have to vote a player to get a read. Their both town and working together. Sometimes you have to trust them to get to the right conclusion. Don't antagonize unnecessarily. I only use it when really overtly frustrated. A misunderstood wagon is insufficient.
↑ borkjerfkin wrote:I'll assume that was to feu and not me.
Still, I can't get behind your feu read and you have provided no real meta to backup a read that is essentially entirely meta by your own admission.
↑ Titus wrote:As for the Venmar point, it's never about probabilities. He's helping scum and not doing anything to help out town. People have asked me to try to reach out to Venmar, so I've asked him for reads for content. I get shitted on. He knows by now that I need content or I will scumread. Utility is the best way to scumhunt. It's also how you scumhunt me. Am I attempting to help out the town? He's digging his own grave. Maybe it will take me dying or somehow magically getting a cop ability (remote chance). I've seen Venmar scum. I trained Venmar scum. He's scum. I don't give a shit as to whether you agree with me when I'm alive. I care if you listen when I'm dead because I'm not living that long in this game.
↑ Titus wrote:Let's suppose for a second I am wrong on Venmar (I'm not). There I was jailkept for being wrong on a townie who got lynched. No one died. I highlighted Marquis was the only scum who would do such a kill and that I was familiar because of Newbie 1396. They understandably didn't believe me. I got lynched. Then, the jailkeeper jailed Marquis. He was lynched. We won.
Trust me. I know Marquis's scum game and I'd rather not be lynched again to prove it but if that's what it takes.
↑ SnowStorm wrote:↑ Toogeloo wrote:
I agree with this. We should at the very least try to start working on objectives.↑ RubikAshtray wrote:The lynchpool is composed by the following players:
borkjerfkin
feu et vol
titus
brian skies
my milked eek
cloud nine
toogeloo
rogue
rubikashtray
peregrinev
In your first post, you agree with Rubik that we should start working on the objectives and you develop a scum read on Cloud 9.
Now you come back, say "fuck the objectives" and vote two players from the two previously unvoted hoods, but what for? If all you wanted was to push for Cloud, you could do so and you'd be trading objective #1 for a better chance to hit scum. But by doing what you just did, the only thing you accomplished was ruining objective #5 for two hoods in exchange of nothing.
So wtf went through your head to make you change your mind like that and fuck it up like that?
pedit: You were not forced to examine only that half of the playerbase. You agreed with it!
↑ borkjerfkin wrote:↑ Titus wrote:As for the Venmar point, it's never about probabilities. He's helping scum and not doing anything to help out town. People have asked me to try to reach out to Venmar, so I've asked him for reads for content. I get shitted on. He knows by now that I need content or I will scumread. Utility is the best way to scumhunt. It's also how you scumhunt me. Am I attempting to help out the town? He's digging his own grave. Maybe it will take me dying or somehow magically getting a cop ability (remote chance). I've seen Venmar scum. I trained Venmar scum. He's scum. I don't give a shit as to whether you agree with me when I'm alive. I care if you listen when I'm dead because I'm not living that long in this game.
I forgot if I asked you this or not, but have you read Venmar in Xenosaga?
Because I am seeing a lot of parallels in how he handled himself here vs. there.
↑ Speaker for the Dead wrote:the only thing metalmastin has done is talk about how he's going to wreck da scumz and then proceed to not do any wrecking of da scumz whatsoever
which is basically what he did early on in xenogears
↑ borkjerfkin wrote:↑ Titus wrote:Let's suppose for a second I am wrong on Venmar (I'm not). There I was jailkept for being wrong on a townie who got lynched. No one died. I highlighted Marquis was the only scum who would do such a kill and that I was familiar because of Newbie 1396. They understandably didn't believe me. I got lynched. Then, the jailkeeper jailed Marquis. He was lynched. We won.
Trust me. I know Marquis's scum game and I'd rather not be lynched again to prove it but if that's what it takes.
I don't really see what this has to do with anything other than 'you have been right about things before'
