The Wire Season 1 Mafia: Baltimore Police and Omar Victory!

[zMuffinMan]

Lack of scum candidates on zMuffinman's slot supports it being scum

i'm town

[zMuffinMan]

all i've read so far is your iso

i'll read the rest of the game in the next few hours prob

when you get over your boner for bookitty and figure out i'm town, we can be masons

talk to me about your other reads

[mastin2]

when you get over your boner for bookitty and figure out i'm town, we can be masons

Meh. Keep talking.

talk to me about your other reads

You can

bus

help me figure out you're town by voting SKOT for a start. Not SKOT's towngame, badposting, one of Anti's stronger scumreads, and so on.

[zMuffinMan]

i'm looking through his iso. nothing stands out as unusual for what i expect from skot as town. nothing particularly town about it either, but meh

what am i missing

[zMuffinMan]

reading d1 is depressing

[zMuffinMan]

MC's sala push had a lack of conviction that looked like scum taking potshots from the sidelines

muki's vote was pretty awful

bb prob town, AD prob town (entrance kinda reminded me of event card but he's more forthcoming with opinions here), slandaar maybe town

rest of d1 was meh

[zMuffinMan]

venmar hydra maybe town too

[vezokpiraka]

I like zmuffin for town.

Also

vote skot

[zMuffinMan]

slandaar maybe town

vote DGB...

VOTE: DGB

Well then.

VOTE: DGB

would bet money there's scum in this string of votes

[zMuffinMan]

would it have been super obvious to any scum who knows flavour that dgb was a traitor?

(/haven't watched a single episode of the wire)

[Slandaar]

At worst they should have thought it was a good possibility she was a traitor.

[Slandaar]

Mastin I need you to explain to me why you have Justin so high in your reads.

Hey DGB! Long time no see.

Maybe about Wallace, but I was thinking D'Angelo if we had a traitor. And given the speed of yesterday I sure don't see a reason to rush, especially now that your claim is out there.

Traitor? who said anything about a traitor? Maybe he is just knowledgeable about the flavor and knows wallace has to be one?!

Wallace comes back. D's betrayal ends up hurting the Barksdale gang a lot worse, especially in the long run. And Avon didn't have D killed. Stringer did. Avon only found out about it later.

NO HE IS NOT. But maybe he just misremembered because he watched the show long ago? possible.

Exactly. Why let me live a minute longer?

Here's why...

PeregrineV, Johnny Weeks, Self-Activated Tree Stump, was caught on the wire and shot from an unknown distance Night One!

Because yeah, Johnny was green and trying to get brown, so he makes sense as a tree stump, but he was sure never part of the Barksdale crew. So far role flavor appears to have a clever relation to some aspect of the characters but not a one on one relation to alignment, outside of the police is bad and the street is good.

Therefore DGB's lynching, most especially if she flipped town, would be no more alignment indicative for her neighbors than their confirmed flavor roles already are.

As for a traitor, if there is one, there are multiple places to look

, even assuming it would correspond with flavor. Might find an Orlando, for just one example.

Given the way this has played out, with the inclusion of DGB in a neighborhood where her flavor role would be explicitly known by two other players, this strikes me as a bad lynch. Not saying we shouldn't keep the same eye on DGB we do on anyone else, but I find it a little improbable that Toasty would just feed us scum to lynch in the way this would indicate.

Why is he still going on about traitors and where to look? No-one cares. How about DGB could just be scum, why does he not consider this? I just want to lynch scum I do not care if they are a traitor or not.

Here is a summary of his posts:
Hrm, DGB might be a traitor but I thought it would be D
BAD FLAVOR ARGUMENT IN WHICH HE REALISES HE IS WRONG
We shouldn't lynch DGB even if there is a traitor there are multiple places to look!

lol.

I mean uh

Vezok is town I do not condone any votes on him.

[zMuffinMan]

{xisiq, MC, muki, skot/jackal}

prob only one of skot / jackal not both*

[zMuffinMan]

slandaar

while you're around

why do you have xisiq town?

[zMuffinMan]

add titus to #587

don't remember anything titus has done which probably isn't a good thing

[zMuffinMan]

sexdudes, gottemer, mastin, pants, slandaar
bb, ad
vezok
titus, muki
xisiq, MC, jackal, skot

something like that

Vote: Xisiq

prefer this to skot, tbh

[zMuffinMan]

Lack of scum candidates on zMuffinman's slot supports it being scum

talk to me about your mc and jackal reads

[Slandaar]

why do you have xisiq town?

Because I am fairly certain he's town.

Perhaps you should give reasons as to why you are voting him.

[Slandaar]

Fairly sure Jackal is town also.

Scum is

Titus/Vezok (just kidding hes town) and then one of Muki/Muffin.

[Slandaar]

And based on Muffins atrocious reads I would put the chance of Muffin being scum as higher than Muki although that slot's pretty terrible.

[vezokpiraka]

Now I have a problem.

They way slandaar calls me town is not the way a townie would call another town.
It feels like blatant buddying and makes me feel uneasy.

[zMuffinMan]

Perhaps you should give reasons as to why you are voting him.

because he rolled scum

And based on Muffins atrocious reads I would put the chance of Muffin being scum as higher than Muki although that slot's pretty terrible

i take it that means you have xisiq / messiah / jackal / skot as town then?

yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah

don't really think you can talk about fuck-awful reads

[ActionDan]

Now I have a problem.

They way slandaar calls me town is not the way a townie would call another town.
It feels like blatant buddying and makes me feel uneasy.

[zMuffinMan]

@slandaar

Spoiler:

Salamence's game-ruining skills are unparalleled.

VOTE: Muki

@Muki

:

I think Messiah Complex is scum.

(Just closed my eyes and pointed at the screen..)

Sala defending himself way too much

, but who wouldn't at this point? He did role claim after the 'slip' so I'm not too sure I trust his arguments.

How much defence is "way too much" defence?

In regards to Boo, I feel actually Sala's claim post was quite believable he wrote it too well so her change in opinion is fine. If I had to guess her alignment it would be town but she is still middle of the roadish.

I would like to have a firmer opinion on this subject myself, since that wagon is about all we have of substance from the 12-hour D1.

@Bookitty

: Can you provide the last two games you played with Salamence where you were scum and he was town? What is his basis for claiming the bolded:

There is no way in hell Boo would go call my play a gambit and then vote me if she knew it was a gambit. Shes obviously playing for towncred tomorrow.

Boo as town would have just shut it and defended me to the end, thats how special we are together <3

. Shes scum.

@Bookitty

:

I have no completed games with Salamence in which I played scum.

I have only one completed game with Sala

, Dangan Ronpa Mafia, in which we were both town. He gambited in the completed game close to LYLO and claimed a town-JOAT. I lynched him there because the claim was not believable. I don't have any meta with Sala-scum.

I have no idea for the basis of that bolded claim and don't particularly agree with it. I don't understand Sala's gambits or his reasoning behind them at all.

Thank you, this does help firm my opinion.

@DrippingGoofball

:

VOTE: DGB

I'm the only play today.

Here is why.

I am in a non-mason neighborhood with Bodie & Poot. I am obviously Wallace.

Therefore, flavor-wise, I cannot be trusted.

Flavor-wise, I'm the snitch. I cannot be kept until LYLO or midgame or heck, another minute.

So lynch me now, and Bodie & Poot will be actual masons.

We have to lynch you because you have possibly scum flavour?

How is this the only play today? Assume you are clear-cut low-rises Barksdale like Stinkums instead of Wallace. Who should we suspect out of the neighbourhood from what you've read?

@mastin2

:

Any response of Sala being an idiot will promptly earn you my vote.

Salamence's game-ruining skills are unparalleled.
VOTE: Muki

@Muki

:

Sala defending himself way too much

, but who wouldn't at this point? He did role claim after the 'slip' so I'm not too sure I trust his arguments.

How much defence is "way too much" defence?

Like this. This, Muki's alignment regardless, is scumposting.

I'm perturbed that this post doesn't end in a vote on me.

@All

: Peregrine's ISO baffles me as to why he'd be a target. There are 12 posts predicated on the idea that Salamence is scum and calling out Dan, Boo and DGB on that basis. I'm going to treat this NK as misdirection.

@mastin2

:

@mastin2

: I'm perturbed that this post doesn't end in a vote on me.

Alas, the mod has seen it fit to bequeath to me but a mere singular vote, a great honor best put to use in continued support of the great campaign to lay rope around Bookitty's neck.

FOR SALAMANCE!

So you ain't gonna say nothing on it?

@Dr Pants

:

anyone who questions the nk gains instant scum points

Do you...legitimately believe this? If yes, why shouldn't NKs be discussed?

If there is a neighbourhood of three people and one of them who is town says 'lynch me and the other two become masons' why are the two not already masons from that townies POV?

If anyone can solve this mystery then I would love to hear from you. I have been up all night trying to work it out but quite frankly I am bamboozled.

This is where I'm at:

1) DGB is a town neighbour:
- She is self-voting, playing against wincon and risking modkill. -

Unlikely

- This is a ruse and she will call scum from interactions around her wagon later today -

Possible

2) DGB is a scum neighbour:
- She is self-voting, playing against wincon and risking modkill. -

Unlikely

3) DGB is more than just a town or scum neighbour (BBMolla theory):
- She is some sort of jester/vengeful/something and her death will benefit her faction, whatever it is -

My position

The point was if DGB were town she would know she doesn't need to be lynched for her neighbours to already be considered masons.

If she were town I don't see how anyone could consider the remaining neighbours masons.

I mean, it's possible, I've been part of a town which fell victim to modpranks before, where Empking put 3 "Werewolf Seers" in Discworld mafia who could night investigate for lycanthropy but no werewolves and the seers went crazy going after each other thinking they all fakeclaimed.

However, setting up an all-town masonhood as a neighbourhood seems even more anti-town than that.

If she were town I don't see how anyone could consider the remaining neighbours masons.

Because she would have been telling the truth?

She'd have been telling the truth about her own alignment, but "neighbourhood" implies scum. So 3 person neighbourhood minus one town does not make me think "2 masons".

She'd have been telling the truth about her own alignment, but "neighbourhood" implies scum. So 3 person neighbourhood minus one town does not make me think "2 masons".

DGBtown isn't going to tell us to consider them masons unless we should do.

It is quite clear cut either the PM's made it clear enough both Body and Poot are in the game or there is enough grey area that they can be fake claims in which case DGBtown would not be pushing that lynching her makes the other two neighbours masons.

Slandaar, I understand very clearly why you think she's not town-DGB (above case is impossible), while additionally I don't see anything near the level of scumhunting one would expect from Town-DGB, but I can't fathom why scum would self-vote and push their own wagon, hence my jester/etc thoughts.

1) DGB is a town neighbour:
- She is self-voting, playing against wincon and risking modkill. - Unlikely
- This is a ruse and she will call scum from interactions around her wagon later today - Possible

I am playing for my wincon to create masons in the other two neighbors and I'm not getting modkilled.

It's not a ruse. Just vote me.

Outside the ambit of {

DrippingGoofball, Majvenmar, Gottemer

} do you have no thoughts at all about Day 2? The two fair-sized wagons? Yesterday's kill? Any of the other 14 posters?

Less analysis because you're vexed at the hydra's poststyle I could understand. A void of analysis is baffling.

The point was if DGB were town she would know she doesn't need to be lynched for her neighbours to already be considered masons.

As the snitch-flavored neighbor, my scum hunting is tainted. No one should pay attention to anything I say while alive. And historically no one pays attention after you're dead and flipped town (see Pikmin Mafia LOL).

Further, Gottemer and RSD should do nothing but try to lynch me all game as they are correctly doing. Everyone else should comply.

I decided the best way to play this role is to get lynched.

Speaking of Pikmin, I haven't seen anything near this calibre of post-quality out of you this game:

Unfortunately I'd be hard-pressed to explain it, but I feel that she's scumhunting like scum. Not really reading or paying attention, targeting the noisier players (kuribo and myself in this instance) with trash like "you seem nervous" and not following through herself, but hoping to get others to do her dirty work. Kinda drawing attention to the unlynchables in the hope of discrediting them, and if they are lynched, freeing her NK for something other than the mandatory N1 NK of the more influencial or experienced players.

Scum 101, really.

Leviathan is fitting the classic profile of the nervous, inexperienced scum that the scum team want to jettison in the hope of getting town cred. A recent example is Gay Mafia II where a scum was bus'ed quite vigorously. Reading the scum QT, he let on to his buddies that he was very insecure with his play. So they pushed his lynch to get rid of the weak link in the team.

I have to work out your angle with the self-vote.

WIFOMing out why PV died, which you did, is scummy to a lesser extent.

Town is killed at night for various reasons. Sometimes because they are direct threats to scum, sometimes in an effort to mislead town. I believe more discussion is of greater benefit to town than less discussion, and I'm disturbed that you'd try to exert a chilling effect on that discussion.

I don't particularly like Mastin this game.

I've played 3 games with Mastin, and I'm having a hard time reading her this game. I don't understand the DGB position or defence of Salamence's maidenly virtue, but there's a sincerity coming through with some of the townreads.

Her?

We shouldn't deviate from DGB either.

If you can help me work out the self-voting thing I'll join you. While we are on the subject of your neighbourhood, what has Gottemer felt like in the QT?

She'd have been telling the truth about her own alignment, but "neighbourhood" implies scum. So 3 person neighbourhood minus one town does not make me think "2 masons".

Dead serious.
I will lynch anyone.
Policy-lynch anyone.
Who seriously advocates neighborhood paranoia just because of it being a neighborhood.
It being 3p does not excuse this.

I've been in a town-3p neighborhood.
I've seen plenty OF town-3p neighborhoods.
In fact it's been years since I've actually SEEN a 3p neighborhood with one scum in it.

Neighborhoods in current site meta are effectively "masons that you don't want to be confirmed town". In other words, all town but where there is a chance (thanks to paranoia of not being masons) of them not being town, thus, making them lynchable. (Inversely, most NEIGHBORIZERS these days are scum. I have a very, very large tendency to place trust in my neighbors if in a neighborhood from the start, and distrust in my neighborizer if recruited.)

Are you going to PL the MS wiki?

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Neighbor

Play Advice

If you are one of three Neighbors, chances are reasonable that one of the other Neighbors is scum.

If you are one of four Neighbors, chances are very good that at least one of the other Neighbors is scum.

If there are multiple Neighborhoods in the same game, chances are very good that at least one of them has a scum Neighbor.

If you are one of more than four Neighbors, it is nearly certain that at least one representative of every anti-town faction is in the Neighborhood.

V/LA till Sunday morning SE Asia time (EST+12)

Plane delayed 4 hours.

It was Malaysia Airlines too

Have about 20 minutes before food comes let me do like 2 pages tonight

Its only beneficial for scum to talk about the nk.

This is horrendous. What else do you prefer not to discuss? I would like to make a point of raising all such topics.

Boo getting frustrated and OMGUSing mastin reads highly town to me.

Gottemer felt like in the QT?

He is as absent from the neighborhood QT as he is in the game, if not more.

@ReallySexyDudes

: Any opinions about TheGottemer?

Are you going to PL the MS wiki?
http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Neighbor

Play Advice

If you are one of three Neighbors, chances are reasonable that one of the other Neighbors is scum.

No, but I'll PL anyone using the wiki, when the wiki is VERY largely static, stale, and unmoving, making it very rapidly obsolete to current site meta. Don't believe me? Look at the revision history. The last edit might be in 2014, but look at the contents OF that edit--it's fixing formatting and grammatical errors, not the content of the article itself. Before that? The article was last edited in 2011, three years ago.

Here is Monopoly Mafia from just before I went on hiatus. The neighbourhood was scummy as all get-out.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... start=2675

Are you going to tell me there is suddenly an abundance of three-man "mason"-hoods? You know I'm going to demand evidence for this assertion, yes? Please provide it.

Muki has also requested replacement. Currently looking for two now. Tell yo' friends

Cool an "abandon ship" scumtell. Vote stays.

i think these posts came from scum

[zMuffinMan]

for reals

look at the sorts of questions he asks, look at the opinions and stances he's taken, there's nothing town about it

i legit don't know how you can have him as a town read