Mini 1585: Muskoka Murder Mystery - Game Over

[chaoslord54]

OK, Here are my reads, part 1. I've got "clear" solid reads on Konowa, Chaos & Guyett at the moment.

Key:

Town

Lean Town

Neutral

Lean Scum

Scum

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Konowa

: I don't see why the wagon's on Konowa? It's standard play to claim miller so a cop doesn't waste time checking them out. Sure, the miller claim can be tested at a later point but I don't think today is the day to do so. If there's something I've missed/skimmed here can someone link it me? That'd be helpful because I'm confused at the votes here.

Anen

: Makes useless walls that do nothing but grasp for towncred. Most of his posts can be summed up in about 2-5 sentences at the most. He's new to the site so it could be seen as newbscum (basic "I'm town go me" posts; makes long posts that don't actually contribute much, like #1213 which is equal to his #1095 reads list but with loads of filler added).

ChaosHeart

: There's no rolelist; so his tracker claim seems opprtunistic to me.
#778 strikes me as unusual, as I don't like how Chaos has

just happened

to check the one person who had died & was confirmed at the time. Anyone and their dog can say that, it's just too much of a coincidence for me. I would like to hear more of your results, please.

Guyett

: I think you are town. Your posts are informative and are town motivated.

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VOTE: ChaosHeart

I am up for lynching either Chaos or Anen today. I would like to see more of the former's results first though. Have you tracked anyone else?

There's only been two days so I first tracked Reinoe which I explained is because I felt like he may have been scum. I then tracked Aneninen and got no results. Those were my reports so far.

[chaoslord54]

There's more then just that, it's his manipulation which I listed in other posts about, his misrepresentation of my arguments to try and persuade a wagon against me, his choice to ignore a lot of questions pointed out to him, and the fact that he's been absent as of late.

Chaos, your "case" against me is a bunch of crap that doesn't even say why I'm scum. It honestly reads as a bunch of OMGUS.

I am not misrepping your arguments. This:

So you're voting me just because I'm making you feel a little anxious?

is closer to misrepresentation. I think if you were town, you would have actually read what I said when you posted that you would have understood why I voted you.

I am saying you created a false dilemma at the beginning of D3 to make a push on Anti. I said at the beginning of the day that I think that a towntrackerchaos would have taken into consideration that Anen not doing anything does not clear him of scum. Is it possible that you just did not know mechanics? Maybe. However, I think given the thought behind your opening push on Anti makes the likelihood of you being scum and faking results higher. I think the timing of your vote D1 for reinoe over Chevre makes you likely to be a scumbuddy of Chevre. When you do end up voting Chevre, it is so reluctant and comes across as scum not wanting to bus but does anyway.

This is all I've been wanting from you this entire time Konowa! I wanted a better explanation on what it was that was making you feel like I was scum.

Now to address your points.

For starters, this is the first time I have played tracker so when I got a no results read I went with my gut and went after Anti, but once Guyett pointed out to me that there was still a chance that he was scum but just did not commit the kill I realized that I could be wrong which is why I then abandoned the antihero case. I get that it can come off as scummy, but it really was more of a misunderstanding of mechanics and getting a little too excited over my read. Now as for your concern over my actions on day 1 I will break it down for you a little more clearly. I was feeling that Reinoe was being scummy especially because he was jumping around a lot on his stances and it was coming off weird to me but I still leaned towards the idea that Chevre was scum as well. When I saw that no one was exactly seeing my points that Reinoe was scum I decided to back off and go after Chevre because my hopes were to then track Reinoe during the night phase and find evidence that he was scum afterall which I could then use to push for a quick lynch against him in day 2. That's why I switched so quickly but did not explain it much is because I was hoping to use my PR role to help my case in the second day.

[evilpacman18]

Nvm my last post i should probably read

[Aneninen]

Riddleton

: Wait-oh. In 1240 you asked Chaos whether he had tracked anyone else. However, he had posted in 980 that he tracked me. I find it strange that you skimmed over that piece of investigation.
Because,

Chaos' investigation has been the cornerstone of my gamestyle.

I explained in 1092 why you all can be almost sure that I'm town even if it's not a 100% confirmed thing. Noone has doubted

that

particular post yet. (If it had happened my gamestyle would have been entirely different.) This is important because all my posts since then were based upon the assumption that my VT claim is accepted by all. (I thought that

no doubt = agreement

because there were doubts about the other players' claims.) I mean the following: if my thoughts, questions or ideas are wrong, they should be subjects of discussion and/or correction but definitely should not be considered as scumtells.
In spite of the things above, some players started to scumread me due to

later

posts. That's what you can read on the recent pages. I'm sure that the one (or those) who started to call me scum is/are scum(s) or performing bad gameplay (by skimming over the post I linked above or by forgetting to explain why my logic is wrong).

[Cheery Dog]

I bothered rereading that post where you presented all those options. (If I look at the cause of me apparently ignoring stuff, I'm probably skimming because i've lost contraction in having to open spoilers - at least I don't have to highlight them)

The one that I've lately been thinking is the case. (Chaos telling the truth, Aneninen being scum that didn't submit the kill) you've ruled out on the rolecop assumption that Mafia wouldn't have killed Don unless they knew he was a power role, and that mafia would apparently have different members submit their different actions. Until there is actual proof of a rolecop existing, that whole thing is flawed.

[Aneninen]

That is true.
However, the fact that Don got Nightkilled is telling me that there must be a Mafia Rolecop/Tracker/whatever. Put it in this way: before Night2 started there were 2 claims, Konowa and Chaos. We may or may not have doubts about these claims but the scums

must

know which claim(s) is/are true. So, either Konowa or Chaos would have been a more beneficial kill

unless

they knew Don's role. I'd add: we know that town had a Jailkeeper and it might have a Bodyguard and a Tracker too. Even if there's a Miller as well, I'd find this setup unbalanced if there were no Mafia PR(s).
What's your explanation about Don's death assuming there is no Mafia investigative PR?

Also, mind this part as well (in 1092):

This could be possible if my partner were the Rolecop, but in this case

I'd stfu instead of trying rolefishing the scum group.

In short, [(2) is not entirely impossible but very unlikely.

– (2) is one of the four possibilities written there, namely: Chaos is town and I'm scum. (Just a reminder).]
I daresay, the underlined part remains true even if we read it without the first part of the sentence. Why would I speculate and launch a discussion about mafia PRs if I were one of them? You might answer it'd be a WIFOM but I think that would be a risky WIFOM, I mean, I'd take unnecessary risk by doing this.

Also, keep in mind that I wrote: "not entirely impossible but very unlikely". – I myself pointed out that

this

is the reason why my VT claim can not be considered 100% confirmed.
And there was a sentence at the end of that post:

until we have a 100,00% confirmed town player

, you should trust me.

– mind the underlined part. I've never said that you all

must

trust me at all costs; I only said that you

should

, until we have a more trustable player via confirms.

[Konowa]

unvote;

I really don't have any confidence in this anymore.

chaos, I may not have put it all in one post before like #1239, but it definitely was in my posts. So when you asked me in #1020 how your opening play was manipulative, I responded the way I did because to me it seemed that you were scum asking obnoxious questions to rile me up.

Something I just noticed. chaos, what exactly was the return on your track of Anen? Here you say:

So I tracked Aneninan and I got that he

visited No one

and here you say:

For starters, this is the first time I have played tracker so when I got

a no results read

...

Can you please clarify?

[BipolarChemist]

This is the 3rd prod for BroodKingEXE. He is now being replaced.

[Aneninen]

@MOD – Can we get some extra time pretty please?

[Riddleton]

@Anen: As I stated, I kind of skimmed over a few points. Apologies for that, but I didn't want to hold anyone up in limbo while I spend ages reading up. I figured it's best to post my thoughts so far as that is most beneficial.
I read more on later pages (as that was more relevant). I must have missed #980. I blame tiredness and the fact I have to ingest literally hundreds of posts at once.


What we do need to do though is settle on one target. Yes, we all have multiple suspects of who we all think is scum but we're only lynching one person today. We need to work as a team and decide on

one

person to lynch. Because we have not got long until the deadline -- even with an extension -- and I'm afraid we'd not make an informed decision if we do things on the last minute.

[Aneninen]

You needn't apologize, it's hard to catch-up with that many posts. Thatswhy I recapitulated my logic.

My strongest scumread is Bert (Startfromtheheart). I'm not lynching Guyett or BroodkingExe's slot. I'm unsure about your slot.
What's your read on EvilPacMan and CheeryDog?

[BipolarChemist]

@MOD – Can we get some extra time pretty please?

If I can find another replacement, then I will add another 24 hours for them to catch up. I did just give an extra 24 hours for the last replacement.

[Riddleton]

@Anen: Your story seems plausible. I believe you. I'll check some of your earlier posts to verify.

[Riddleton]

I will post reads on EPM & CheeryDog later on

[BipolarChemist]

sthar8 replaces BroodKingEXE immediately! I will extend the deadline by 24 hours for him to catch up.

[BipolarChemist]

Official Vote Count

Konowa (3):

evilpacman18, chaoslord54, Guyett [L-2]

startfromtheheart (2):

sthar8, Aneninen

Aneninen (1)

: Cheery Dog

chaoslord54 (1):

startfromtheheart

Not Voting

: Riddleton, Konowa

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Time Till Deadline: (expired on 2014-08-06 16:00:00)

[sthar8]

Hey so I'm totally not reading this game. Like seriously, fuck that.

@Guyett- I skimmed your ISO and you look town. Catch me up. Also is there a reason we shouldn't lynch pacman?

[sthar8]

UNVOTE:
bert wtf are you doing this game?

[sthar8]

Hey can somebody summarize the PR claims and actions and who the VIs are for me?

Also a summary of the Konowa case because my biggest scumread and biggest townread are both on it.

TYVM

[Riddleton]

Tallied up all claims and actions:-

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All Claims that I know of:-

-ChaosLord: Tracker
-Konowa: Miller
-Startfromtheheart: Bodyguard
-Anen: VT

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ChaosLord's Actions

(#1250)
N1: Reinoe, no results
N2: Anen, no results

Startfromtheheart's Actions

(#1119)
N1: Chaos
N2: Chaos

[startfromtheheart]

bert wtf are you doing this game?

playing terribly

[sthar8]

whyyyyyy

[sthar8]

@BPC- /confirm that I got your terribly rude role pm. I forgot.

[Aneninen]

unvote;

Something I just noticed. chaos, what exactly was the return on your track of Anen? Here you say:

So I tracked Aneninan and I got that he

visited No one

and here you say:

For starters, this is the first time I have played tracker so when I got

a no results read

...

Can you please clarify?

That's important indeed. Chaos, please answer!

@BPC- /confirm that I got your terribly rude role pm. I forgot.

What exactly do you mean by that, Sthar8? (By the way how do we pronounce your name?)

[chaoslord54]

unvote;

I really don't have any confidence in this anymore.

chaos, I may not have put it all in one post before like #1239, but it definitely was in my posts. So when you asked me in #1020 how your opening play was manipulative, I responded the way I did because to me it seemed that you were scum asking obnoxious questions to rile me up.

Something I just noticed. chaos, what exactly was the return on your track of Anen? Here you say:

So I tracked Aneninan and I got that he

visited No one

and here you say:

For starters, this is the first time I have played tracker so when I got

a no results read

...

Can you please clarify?

Sorry that was a mis use of wording on my part. When I tracked Anen I got no results which made me assume he didn't visit anyone.