[OLD] Open Setup Ideas and Discussion

[Belisarius]

Do you mean vengeful? Because a PGO vs. a faction with no NK is really just a named goon.

[Not_Mafia]

PGOs kill anyone who targets them with any sort of night action, not just kills

[reinoe]

PGOs kill anyone who targets them with any sort of night action, not just kills

Question...

Does roleblock stop PGO?

[Not_Mafia]

PGO is reflexive so I would think no, not certain though

[quadz08]

Roleblock gets shot by PGO because PGO is passive/reflexive and thus typically cannot be roleblocked

[BBmolla]

Just make them Strongman Paranoid Gun Owners to avoid confusion.

[Belisarius]

As long as it's specified that only the PGO shot is strongman, otherwise the JK is spayed.

[BBmolla]

Paranoid Sniper Rifle Owners

[BBmolla]

Love And Treason

10 Players

1 Mafia Rolecop
1 Mafia Suicide Bomber

2 Town Lovers
2 from (Vengeful Townie, Vengeful Townie, Supersaint, Beloved Princess)
4 VTs

• Daystart
  
• Beloved Princess ability works if lynched, killed by a vengeful, or killed by a supersaint, but not by a nightkill or suicide bomb from the Mafia.

While town could massclaim and have confirmed lovers, I don't think it's optimal? Tons of good fake claims for the mafia. Thoughts? Maybe increase it to 11 and add a traitor, yeah?

[Bicephalous Bob]

PGO shots can't be blocked.

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I'm not sure what you're getting at with Strongman. Strongwilled would make more sense, and even that would make things only more confusing.

[quadz08]

They can be doctored though

[Bicephalous Bob]

it's impossible to target a PGO while being protected

[quadz08]

that's.... not accurate at all?

[Belisarius]

In that setup it is : JK is the only protect

[quadz08]

oh I see

fair point

[ika]

Love And Treason

10 Players

1 Mafia Rolecop
1 Mafia Suicide Bomber

2 Town Lovers
2 from (Vengeful Townie, Vengeful Townie, Supersaint, Beloved Princess)
4 VTs

• Daystart
  
• Beloved Princess ability works if lynched, killed by a vengeful, or killed by a supersaint, but not by a nightkill or suicide bomb from the Mafia.

While town could massclaim and have confirmed lovers, I don't think it's optimal? Tons of good fake claims for the mafia. Thoughts? Maybe increase it to 11 and add a traitor, yeah?

well actualy is unoptimal due to fact of mafia bomber. The moment one gets outed it would be a good idea to just outright bomb to avoid affiliations and cut them short.

my only dislike is BP, bc if mafia hit lover (while botha re alive), it becomes lylo/loss next night, I would take out the part of "works by kill of SS and veng" b/c that makes it extemly scum sided when they get 2 nights of kills

[xfdagentx42]

Copying my Idea from the setup challenge... Lol, is it ok?

3 Mafia Goons
1 Serial Killer
1 Jailkeeper
1 Doctor
2 Vengeful Town
5 Vanilla Town

[BBmolla]

I would take out the part of "works by kill of SS and veng" b/c that makes it extemly scum sided when they get 2 nights of kills

Optimal strategy then becomes to vengekill or supersaint all beloved princess claims.

[ika]

I would take out the part of "works by kill of SS and veng" b/c that makes it extemly scum sided when they get 2 nights of kills

Optimal strategy then becomes to vengekill or supersaint all beloved princess claims.

Yes thats what i woudl suspect as well, i just think with SS+vengs activating BP ability makes it heavy scum sided due to the fact that they can take out up to 3 towns and puts them into a 2v4 game...

another thing that could happen is veng shoots lovers and then BP get lynched, iirc that would be game for scums to win.

just my thoughts on it...

[ika]

if you are to keep the BP activating on SS/Veng i would add 2-3 more VT or maybe add in a protective just so it doesnt go day 2 LyLo or scum win over one lynch (unles its late game)

[BBmolla]

Valid points. I'll work with it. I hesitate to add any more roles because at the moment town literally has 4 named roles. Adding VTs is probably a step in the right direction though.

[Bicephalous Bob]

if you're giving the town random roles they should probably be of the same strength

as it stands, two vengefuls and a bp and a supersaint are possibilities

if one of those is balanced, the other one most definitely isn't

[BBmolla]

Mad Precint

7 Players

2 Mafia Visitors

5 1-shot Cops

• Daystart
  
• If an odd number of players visits a cop the night they use their ability, they will recieve an insane result.
  
• If an even number of players visit a cop the night they use their ability, they will recieve a sane result

A better variant might be odd number players = guilty and even number of players = innocent with 0 visits always being accurate, but I'm undecided.

[Oversoul]

Do the mafia get to kill?

[BBmolla]

Mafia should be able to kill and visit the same night for balance I think