↑T S O wrote:what are your thoughts on bbt? do you think it was a chainsaw defence? a white knight? something else?
I have no idea what you're talking about. Chainsaw of who on who? White knight on who from who? I swear I've read the thread. I just don't remember seeing anything like these things.
I am currently working on collecting town reads. AP is doing the waffling. It is a good system. Any scum reads I currently have are peripheral. At the moment, BBT is one of them, yes (though not for those reasons...).
"i have the sickest grossest feeling that even if it's my lynch today, my townflip still won't lead to a tso lynch, and then he'll find some bullshit way to reason either shooting or lynching gm tomorrow because if there's anyone who can strongarm a mislynch despite his reads or cases being proved wrong time and again it's tso"
like a chainsaw to me, but I'd really rather not make those kind of associative judgements until one of them flip. I have BBT scummy independently of anyone else. AP has Josh B as scum and I don't know why, but I trust him. JB is certainly not a town read of mine, so that vote is ok with me for now.
I added post tags to your quote so I can click it cuz I'm that lazy
"i have the sickest grossest feeling that even if it's my lynch today, my townflip still won't lead to a tso lynch, and then he'll find some bullshit way to reason either shooting or lynching gm tomorrow because if there's anyone who can strongarm a mislynch despite his reads or cases being proved wrong time and again it's tso"
Mk.. some selective examination from that post # :
↑BlueBloodedToffee wrote:So because someone says 'Hey, scum is x,y or z' you feel the need to vote one of those three choices? You can't make your mind up for yourself? You don't think scum exists outside of those three people?
So, AP said, "here's who we think are scum", TSO goes, "Yeah I could see JB, but not the other two. Can you explain?" and follows with a vote. BBT comes in and criticizes TSO for being a sheep. In this particular case, it is a good point, and something I did notice, but my overwhelming townread on the slot (TSO) currently overpowers that singular item. Will file away for further analysis later if necessary. Looking at this post in that light doesn't really make this seem like a chainsaw, but I suppose it could be a response to the specific vote and not the act of sheeping.
AP then explains the other two, as requested, and TSO responds to BBT's request to discuss why TSO/Flubber is not a viable partnership. First of all, why would you ask someone you think is scum to explain why they aren't partners with someone? It's not a stupid question, but it's directed at the wrong person. TSO's response could easily be interpreted as scummy, since it inherently comes off as defensive and distance-y but being that it was prompted by BBT, I'm inclined to disregard the answer entirely.
I also like his response to her second point about "voting x/y/z", though not as much as the other stuff he's posted.
So that is the extent of the interaction, as I see it. I come away from this with less of a townread on TSO to be honest, and more affinity for 142, which I initially didn't like on gut.
well, yeah, I guess we just view the posts completely differently so.
what part of my TSO-Flubber explanation did you have a problem with again?
I looked at it again - I still don't see what you say you see.
"i have the sickest grossest feeling that even if it's my lynch today, my townflip still won't lead to a tso lynch, and then he'll find some bullshit way to reason either shooting or lynching gm tomorrow because if there's anyone who can strongarm a mislynch despite his reads or cases being proved wrong time and again it's tso"
fwiw I don't agree with you saying I was sheeping you; to be blunt, I'm not even townreading you, so I fail to see why I'd sheep anyone who I don't think is heavily town - but I can see how it comes off that I was.
"i have the sickest grossest feeling that even if it's my lynch today, my townflip still won't lead to a tso lynch, and then he'll find some bullshit way to reason either shooting or lynching gm tomorrow because if there's anyone who can strongarm a mislynch despite his reads or cases being proved wrong time and again it's tso"
↑T S O wrote:well, yeah, I guess we just view the posts completely differently so.
what part of my TSO-Flubber explanation did you have a problem with again?
I looked at it again - I still don't see what you say you see.
I explained why it was a bad explanation. Any explanation from one person about why they are themselves NOT partners with some other person is going to be bad, no matter what is said. It's a self defense, and it was
prompted by BBT's question
. It's one of those loaded questions that have no right answer and just make anyone sound scummy. The point is that the response is null because of this. Whether BBT intended it that way or not is another question that cannot be answered by just looking at that single post. Her motivation should be determinable via the whole of her posts. I'm working on it.
ETL
p-edit: lolk. You asked for my opinion on what happened. That's what I see.
↑Guilty Gunsmith wrote: The point is that the response is null because of this.
Except that wasn't what you actually said, ETL.
↑Guilty Gunsmith wrote:
TSO's response could easily be interpreted as scummy,
since it inherently comes off as defensive and distance-y
but being that it was prompted by BBT, I'm inclined to disregard the answer entirely.
"i have the sickest grossest feeling that even if it's my lynch today, my townflip still won't lead to a tso lynch, and then he'll find some bullshit way to reason either shooting or lynching gm tomorrow because if there's anyone who can strongarm a mislynch despite his reads or cases being proved wrong time and again it's tso"
That's a really good section for you to quote - please read it again carefully and try to understand the meaning of the specific words that I used to describe the response itself.
If you still don't understand, please ask someone else, someone you think you actually can trust and have a townread on, to interpret it for you. My answer to you has remained consistent; you are just not following my point.
Note the use of plurals. This would imply that had TSO voted for JB, ZZZX or FN I would have asked the same question. I thought my stance on the situation and the direction my questioning was coming from was fairly obvious, my bad, it clearly wasn't.
I mean, at first I thought this was some sort of reaction test you were trying but I'm beginning to think you're purposefully trying to misrepresent my posts.
Because you're asking a retarded question which I already answered perhaps.
"i have the sickest grossest feeling that even if it's my lynch today, my townflip still won't lead to a tso lynch, and then he'll find some bullshit way to reason either shooting or lynching gm tomorrow because if there's anyone who can strongarm a mislynch despite his reads or cases being proved wrong time and again it's tso"
It's like you have this problem where you physically cannot understand very simple logic.
"i have the sickest grossest feeling that even if it's my lynch today, my townflip still won't lead to a tso lynch, and then he'll find some bullshit way to reason either shooting or lynching gm tomorrow because if there's anyone who can strongarm a mislynch despite his reads or cases being proved wrong time and again it's tso"
↑Guilty Gunsmith wrote:TSO - I don't think you understand what I'm saying. It LOOKS scummy, but it ISN'T ACTUALLY.
Instead of insulting my reading ability, please try improving yours. I'll use the Socratic method to do this.
Why did you feel it looked scummy?
"i have the sickest grossest feeling that even if it's my lynch today, my townflip still won't lead to a tso lynch, and then he'll find some bullshit way to reason either shooting or lynching gm tomorrow because if there's anyone who can strongarm a mislynch despite his reads or cases being proved wrong time and again it's tso"
It's very cute that you're able to use bolded text, but next time, try using it on something relevant.
(note: I do not consider bullshit rhetoric and you bolding misleading phrases to be relevant)
↑BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Note the use of plurals. This would imply that had TSO voted for JB, ZZZX or FN I would have asked the same question. I thought my stance on the situation and the direction my questioning was coming from was fairly obvious, my bad, it clearly wasn't.
Yeah, I'm not going to let you pull this either.
There is no proof that you would have done this, other than your word. It's literally unprovable. Let's go on hard facts here. The hard fact in this case is that you had a problem with me voting Josh. You dressed it up as having a problem with me voting, but your real problem was with me voting Josh. So don't try to pretend you were being openhanded - no you weren't.
↑BlueBloodedToffee wrote:I mean, at first I thought this was some sort of reaction test you were trying but I'm beginning to think you're purposefully trying to misrepresent my posts.
How the fuck could you think this was a reaction test?
a) vote within those three choices
b) vote there and then
This is why, in my opinion, you either can't read or haven't done so yet. I explained this to you before but you managed to miss it. Let's try again.
I did not "feel the need to vote within those three choices." I already had a scumread on Josh. This is documented. This was not a "best of bad choices" pick. This was me, at the time, picking my #1 scumread, and voting him. I was not voting within a group of choices.
I was voting a scumread.
Do you understand this complicated statement?
"i have the sickest grossest feeling that even if it's my lynch today, my townflip still won't lead to a tso lynch, and then he'll find some bullshit way to reason either shooting or lynching gm tomorrow because if there's anyone who can strongarm a mislynch despite his reads or cases being proved wrong time and again it's tso"
If you don't want me to imply that you aren't reading, don't ask me questions I've already answered.
No, really, I am. You feel you're right - I feel I'm right. This method will prove one of us right. I'd prefer to settle this. Maybe it's me.
"i have the sickest grossest feeling that even if it's my lynch today, my townflip still won't lead to a tso lynch, and then he'll find some bullshit way to reason either shooting or lynching gm tomorrow because if there's anyone who can strongarm a mislynch despite his reads or cases being proved wrong time and again it's tso"
↑Guilty Gunsmith wrote:I hope you boys didn't draw scum. Cause that would suck for you. ; )
You wish.
But nope. And I didn't think I would when I skimmed the game, but I couldn't pass up the playerlist. Like, half my ideal micro is in three slots.
There's no way in hell my slot was vetoed though, which probably wouldn't have happened if I started in the game.
@TSO- I'm loving your confidence in this game. This is not scumTSO from faith, and it's not lazyTSO from flitter. This is TSO as he's meant to be
(am I allowed to call you 'kiddo' now that you know it's not a pejorative or attack on your credibility? It really is a term of endearment from me, but I won't use it if you don't like it)
@all- I'll read up for reals this afternoon.
I have a mild townread on TSO and TTH, just from the skim.
of course you can! flitter was just a time where my irl life was very very messed up and I vented my anger where I could; online.
"i have the sickest grossest feeling that even if it's my lynch today, my townflip still won't lead to a tso lynch, and then he'll find some bullshit way to reason either shooting or lynching gm tomorrow because if there's anyone who can strongarm a mislynch despite his reads or cases being proved wrong time and again it's tso"
Any scum reads I currently have are peripheral. At the moment, BBT is one of them, yes (though not for those reasons...).
