Micro 376: Chosen Mafia - Game Over = Perfect Town Win

[Heartless]

I'm just trying to figure shit out and I cant do that when there are a million different wagons.

well, i can name all the people who's fault that is:

lying cat
BBT
josh
ZZZX
flubbernugget

[BlueBloodedToffee]

...that's even

more

nonsensical...

so, now you're going to sit here, nitpick at me, and deny that him being on the flubberwagon was a factor at all, even though it should clearly be from your opinion of "flubberwagon was so scummy"

i'm done with you. your scummy colors have already shown.

I gave you my reasons for why I was scum-reading Josh. You tried to suggest it was for other reasons so that they fit into your now falling apart case. That is misrepresenting and misleading.

The flubber wagon was scum-driven.

Scum-driven

. Am I scum-reading GG? No. Am I scum-reading awestfie? No. A lot of my read on you came from that attack on FN and now this awful case you have tried to put together on me.

I'd be done with me as well if I realized I'd just made a pretty bad move.

[Heartless]

etl:

think beastcharizard from pick your poison

BBT is nitpicking at the

particular reasons

but it doesn't matter what the nitty gritty reasons are because the natural thing that follows from the thoughts in BBT's posting is a

solid, unequivocal

vote on Josh_B

this is what townies do

they vote who they think is scum AND they vote for what gets the

best results

. TSO was already voting josh, everything was all there, so

why didn't he do it?

. why don't you ask him yourself? i did. all i got was a big fat.............nothing.

and now all this dancing around now with a vote on me is a charade meant to subvert what i said earlier (i.e. he's "showing" me).

[Heartless]

...that's even

more

nonsensical...

so, now you're going to sit here, nitpick at me, and deny that him being on the flubberwagon was a factor at all, even though it should clearly be from your opinion of "flubberwagon was so scummy"

i'm done with you. your scummy colors have already shown.

I gave you my reasons for why I was scum-reading Josh. You tried to suggest it was for other reasons so that they fit into your now falling apart case. That is misrepresenting and misleading.

The flubber wagon was scum-driven.

Scum-driven

. Am I scum-reading GG? No. Am I scum-reading awestfie? No. A lot of my read on you came from that attack on FN and now this awful case you have tried to put together on me.

I'd be done with me as well if I realized I'd just made a pretty bad move.

well, you haven't addressed the case at all, so now this is just scum bluster

keep truckin' to your grave, friendo

[Heartless]

like, seriously

ask him why he didn't vote Josh.

the answer so far is "well I wasn't scumreading josh for [reason X you said], it's because of [reason Y you didn't say]."

that doesn't answer the question AND THAT'S NOT A TOWN RESPONSE

[BlueBloodedToffee]

like, seriously

ask him why he didn't vote Josh.

the answer so far is "well I wasn't scumreading josh for [reason X you said], it's because of [reason Y you didn't say]."

that doesn't answer the question AND THAT'S NOT A TOWN RESPONSE

Are you serious? Are you actually being serious right now?

I voted LC to try and run her up and see if I could get a better read from their reaction to a growing wagon on them.

I was trying to develop a null read before progressing with the game. If I'd have said 'Hey LC, I don't think I'm looking to lynch you so don't worry about my vote; I'm just looking for your reaction to see if it helps me gain a read on you'. I'm not sure it would have had the desired effect.

The voting for Josh comments are in direct response to your bullshit case. It has nothing to do with my reasoning for voting/not voting. Again, you're being misleading.

[Flubbernugget]

Why the fuck is there a wagon on LC. Like Holy Fuck.

Most of it is just things people have already said and I fail to see how they only read so little despite having 3+ days to catch up.

So I'm still deciding whether or not this is a bad answer or bad question to have answered.

"You" being sthar, of course.

Hydra is not a "play style," it's just that you've someone you can one-hundred-percent trust with your reads, but it shouldn't mean you should live up to them. You're still free to post, even if the other head isn't around; posts shouldn't only be made when both heads are there. Hydras should disagree with some reads and I'm not seeing that at all from LC. Matter of fact, if you ISO LC's post, you'll mostly see "I" and not "we," why is that? Jingle is scared to post and I don't see why she (he?) would be as town.

Did I say hydra was a play style? There's different styles of playing as a hydra. You're pushing your style which is objectively superior to any other way someone has played a hydra because...well because it is?

Much like your posts, it's bad.

who has good posts?

Not you.

Tries to get a frame of reference for your reasoning, and you shoot it down. I guess I asked a bad question, but at least I can catch on to the fact that you tried to dodge it.

Much like your posts, it's bad.

1) Cool.
2) Same as above.
3) Again, cool. How does this make you town, exactly? Am I supposed to read your mind and know that you're an IRL hydra?

You somehow found a way to scum read the most blatantly sarcastic post in the thread. That's almost as impressive as it is sad.

I waited for you to post

game related content

for

3 days

, all you came back with was the interactions TSO and GG had and then, you proceeded to vote in the two. I found it odd that if only one of the hydra was away then why was the other head of the hydra not posting? Clearly, none of this is

game related

.

Again, am I supposed to stupidly read your mind and know that you two are a IRL hydra? I saw a huge lack of communication between the two in the majority of your posts. It mostly seemed like "I" and not "we," and a scum hydra wouldn't have to discuss reads much with each other, since all they have to do is fake reads. Again, none of this is

game related

.

You got me.

They've been posting other reads too. Sithar (I think?) is probably using you as his "punching bag" a little too much to help the town, but even then I see that as more anti-town than scum.

VOTE: LyingCat

Yeah. Let's see where this goes.

Also, all this meta talk is driving me insane. Let's stop that.

What the fuck is this shit.

ok so i was sitting on the toilet and it clicked with me

BBT is scum

You have shitty reads.

AHAHAHAHAHA GUISE I'M SO FUCKING PUNNY.

I didn't even have to take notes for this one! t(-.-)t

/sarcasm

I didn't like that BBT vote tho.

>the criticism of the flubber wagon (even though precisely ZERO fucking

scum

reads came from the wagon)
>the irritatingly long time it's taking to waffle on us
>the vote parking on TSO (a zero accountability vote) for the longest time

and now...

>the random jump onto lying cat with no reads progression following from recent posting

lying cat wasn't anywhere near the flubber wagon. if you want to sit here and

swear up and fucking down that the flubber wagon was on scum

, then your scumreads should follow from that,

but they don't

it's flubber/bbt scumteam

gg

Semi agree again.

First point. No shit there were no scum reads from what was basically a VI wagon.

Second/third point taken.

Last point. Who is this directed at?

meanwhile at the legion of doom....

Spoiler:

There's two of you, you had three days to think all of this through and this is all that you guys had to say, really? Really not liking this post at all. Why are you guys playing so lazily? I wouldn't normally think that, being lazy is a scum-tell. What's bothering me is that there's two people posting on that account and it doesn't seem like it, at all. I understand that one of you was busy with "baby sitting," but why wasn't the other head posting during that time?

I've played in a hydra before and you don't just wait for the other head to give you their reads to post; you post when you want to post and keep your partner updated with your reads and they'll do the same. So, what's the problem here? I'm actually seeing this from GG/Antihero, but not from you two, so.

I forgot to paragraph break, so here's an "easier" version to read.

Agree and disagree.

I agree that despite the detailed coverage, there's a lot of the game that hasn't been touched.

As far as how you play as a hydra, maybe it's just a different style to discuss before you post? I'm honestly not sure here because I've never hydra'd, so someone else might have to step in for me here.

I also somewhat agree with what LC brought up. LC also saw a lot of things I world have never have been able to see. My only issue is I have no idea how to determine whether or not an insult was truly "over the top. " Way to meta for me.

What about LC's observations do you see as bad?

:activelurking:
:scumposting:

So you're going to spew the same shit reads making awestfie look like an idiot? Dude, if you two end up being the scum team I will die of laughter.

>flubber's wagon is "easy" (even though it magically disintegrates) but bad boy lying cat wagon is all cool

Maybe it disintegrated because it was "easy"? Other than that you know how i feel about the LC wagon so.

>lying cat isn't even a scumread

Possible pressure vote? Though admittedly weak speculation.

>josh is a scumread and a

bunch

of people talk about him being scum, but

i'll never vote him

Yeh.

>flubber's wagon was

sooooooooooooo

scum driven, but maybe it's not because there's some good points, but heartless is "leaning" scum because blahablhblahlkdjsaf;jds;lkajf;lkdsajf;lkdsaj;lkfdsajfsalk; /fart

If I had a cat it would probably sleep on my keyboard too.

seriously, BBT's "reads" are a big, tangled, fucked up web that doesn't connect to the

actions

(the vote patterns).

forget logic. the simple fact of the matter is that he's not pushing the lynch that follows from his reads (josh), he's pushing

a

lynch.

I mean you can only push so hard before you're tunneling a wagon nobody cares about. But nobody else has done that in this game at all....

Just gonna place this here

vote awesfie

More to come. But I'm at Dorney Park fuckers. Peace.

[Heartless]

did i ask about lying cat?

did i mention lying cat?

am i now talking about lying cat?

am i talking about a pressure vote?

no.

why was your vote never (and continues to not be) on josh?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

did i ask about lying cat?

did i mention lying cat?

am i now talking about lying cat?

am i talking about a pressure vote?

no.

why was your vote never (and continues to not be) on josh?

Yes.

Yes.

I don't know?

Umm, I don't know?

I thought TSO was scum. Further down, I also developed a scum-read on Josh. It's highly unlikely that both Josh and TSO are scum, one is town and one is scum is where I'm at right now. Before I switched my vote from a 'lead wagon' to Josh, I wanted to try and develop a read on LC. You present awful case on me after trying to push through an easy lynch accompanied with a meltdown. Combining these two aspects leads me to believe you're probably scum.

So now, my vote is on somebody I feel sure is scum.

[Wickedestjr]

Votecount 1.26

Lying Cat - [2] - Guilty Gunsmith, awestfie
BlueBloodedToffee - [2] - Heartless, T S O
Flubbernugget - [1] - Josh_B
T S O - [1] - ZZZX
Guilty Gunsmith - [1] - Lying Cat
Heartless - [1] - BlueBloodedToffee
awestfie - [1] - Flubbernugget

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Deadline: (expired on 2014-08-25 14:39:13)

[Guilty Gunsmith]

Votecount 1.26

Lying Cat - [2] - Guilty Gunsmith, awestfie

Both good.

BlueBloodedToffee - [2] - Heartless, T S O

No Anti.

@Anti: I can understand why you are going after BBT. It makes sense. I am resisting for reasons I'm not sure yet (working on figuring that out - will get back to you). In the meantime, consider compromising with me. Flubber or LC.

@TSO: Talk to me about this vote.

Flubbernugget - [1] - Josh_B

Good.

T S O - [1] - ZZZX

No.

@ZZZX: wtf are you doing now? Your vote is no longer relevant.

Guilty Gunsmith - [1] - Lying Cat

No.

@LC: Grow up and learn to read.

Heartless - [1] - BlueBloodedToffee

No.

@BBT: Heartless is town. You're very clearly OMGUS-voting them. There's no other reason as far as I can tell. If you want to talk about "wagons that aren't going anywhere" - you're on one.

awestfie - [1] - Flubbernugget

No.

@Flubber: Just. No. That's... just no.

This VC is fucking abysmal when we only have 5 days left.

ETL

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Heartless - [1] - BlueBloodedToffee

No.

@BBT: Heartless is town. You're very clearly OMGUS-voting them. There's no other reason as far as I can tell. If you want to talk about "wagons that aren't going anywhere" - you're on one.

Scum know who the chosen townies are. I feel heartless' whole case is fabricated; I seriously doubt I was veto'd before the game.

This feels right. If other people read his case on me and my response to it and don't want to lynch him then I'll see where I want to go from there.

[Guilty Gunsmith]

Yes, that's why he's pushing anything that has the faintest scent of scum. Because he's scum pushing (more than 2) chosen townies. /sarcasm

Your resistance to the Flubber wagon is suspicious whether you want to believe it or not. You jumping onto Heartless because they pointed this out is suspicious whether you want to believe it or not.

Do I agree with his suspicion of you? Not really. Do I think that makes him scum despite everything else they've done thus far? Absolutely not.

Your vote on Heartless is not only a bad vote in terms of who it's on, but it's not doing anything.

ETL

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Yes, that's why he's pushing anything that has the faintest scent of scum. Because he's scum pushing (more than 2) chosen townies. /sarcasm

Your resistance to the Flubber wagon is suspicious whether you want to believe it or not. You jumping onto Heartless because they pointed this out is suspicious whether you want to believe it or not.

Do I agree with his suspicion of you? Not really. Do I think that makes him scum despite everything else they've done thus far? Absolutely not.

Your vote on Heartless is not only a bad vote in terms of who it's on, but it's not doing anything.

ETL

Aside from FN and myself, who do you think he has pushed?

If nobody else agrees with me and it looks like my vote is wasted, I will consider my other options. I'm not going to sit on him for the rest of D1 if nobody else is going to believe me.

[Guilty Gunsmith]

Aside from FN and myself, who do you think he has pushed?

Us for one.

[Guilty Gunsmith]

You're not evaluating their play as a whole. You're only reacting to Anti's vote on you.

[Heartless]

Well, I've only been here a couple minutes, but BlueBloodedToffee's obvious insecurities with himself are already pretty annoying to sift through.

-TTH

[T S O]

"I developed scumreads on both Josh and TSO. I knew they couldn't be scum together, though, so I

began to talk to both of them and did my best to determine which one of them was scum

voteparked on TSO for ages, before I

sorted TSO as town/scum

voted Josh

sorted Josh as town/scum

opportunistically voted some other person after they called me scum."

How are you not voting this guy, ETL?

[Josh_B]

Josh was a scum-read for his buddying and looking for direction in the game. I'm sure you already knew this though; but given it doesn't fit into your case, it can be disregarded right?

I have been waiting for you to say this for a while.
I'm going to take your hesitation as a town tell. And I'm going to take anti calling you out on it as a town tell too.

Mostly, I haven't been buddying- well I admit that I did go pretty hard on TSO. And I guess this post is probably buddying. But that's it.
Maybe I haven't been playing as hard as I should be.

[Guilty Gunsmith]

How are you not voting this guy, ETL?

Something feels off about it. Logically, makes sense. He was pushing against the Flubber wagon. Went from you to LC when the opportunity arose. If Flubber is scum, BBT surely is, however, BBT could also be whiteknighting. In either case, it looks like BBT is scum.

But there's something wrong here and I haven't figured it out yet.

ETL

[BlueBloodedToffee]

You're not evaluating their play as a whole. You're only reacting to Anti's vote on you.

I have already said I was struggling to read Heartless before the attack on FN. All I am using to base my read on them is their attack on FN and then their case on me.

"I developed scumreads on both Josh and TSO. I knew they couldn't be scum together, though, so I

began to talk to both of them and did my best to determine which one of them was scum

voteparked on TSO for ages, before I

sorted TSO as town/scum

voted Josh

sorted Josh as town/scum

opportunistically voted some other person after they called me scum."

How are you not voting this guy, ETL?

Everything I do is opportunistic to you. Please tell me how my vote on Heartless is opportunistic. Please.

I have been waiting for you to say this for a while.
I'm going to take your hesitation as a town tell. And I'm going to take anti calling you out on it as a town tell too.

Umm, I said it here;

It's more than asking people questions though isn't it. It looks like buddying, you're asking people for direction instead of trying to figure the game out for yourself. Three separate people as well, so it's not like you even care who it is, just so long as someone is helping you.

[Lying Cat]

Good lord ETL, are you just going to bullshit your way through the whole day?

Not that you're not good at it. The appeasing you're doing is intense.

But I forgot whether I'm an idiot or scum? Is BBT really opportunistic for jumping on my wagon?

And why are you not burning asewtfie to the ground for having aggressively stupid reasons that you know are bullshit? Do you need allies that badly?

@flubber- awestuffy is a VI. That is a pointless vote.

@TSO, Heartless- I'm not in tunnel mode, so don't ignore me. Talk to me about GG. We have a couple of days before compromise time, let's use them.

[EspeciallyTheLies]

Fuck you sthar. You got your shit, I got mine.

[T S O]

Don't you ever fucking speak to Sthar like that again.

[Lying Cat]

Fuck you sthar. You got your shit, I got mine.