Mini 1603 - Air Combat Mafia - Game Over

[Anatole Kuragin]

What do you find interesting about the flubbernugget wagon?

[farside22]

Ki-Gi, do you think it's likely that scum would drop a second-vote-on-wagon vote without explanation like that?

Anatole why did you ask the question this way if it's not a scum tell to you?

[farside22]

What do you find interesting about the flubbernugget wagon?

Can I say what I find interesting about the whole thing!?!?

[mykonian]

What do you find interesting about the flubbernugget wagon?

It was frivolous. All that's left is figuring out who was feeling it for what reason. Otherwise there have been few people stepping out.

For example this questioning line is really noncommittal. I'm not quite sure what it get you nor do I really get anything from you. It's bland, it's boring, you could be either allignment and look very important like this without achieving anything. Hence this is a lot less interesting than the wagon because something actually happened there. It's not along the lines you could think up beforehand.

how do you expect to catch scum if scum knows what's going to happen?

[Anatole Kuragin]

Ki-Gi, do you think it's likely that scum would drop a second-vote-on-wagon vote without explanation like that?

Anatole why did you ask the question this way if it's not a scum tell to you?

I was trying to break down why KiGi was voting Matt when at worst his vote was null.

What do you find interesting about the flubbernugget wagon?

Can I say what I find interesting about the whole thing!?!?

Like I've been asking all day? Sure.

[Anatole Kuragin]

What do you find interesting about the flubbernugget wagon?

It was frivolous. All that's left is figuring out who was feeling it for what reason. Otherwise there have been few people stepping out.

For example this questioning line is really noncommittal. I'm not quite sure what it get you nor do I really get anything from you. It's bland, it's boring, you could be either allignment and look very important like this without achieving anything. Hence this is a lot less interesting than the wagon because something actually happened there. It's not along the lines you could think up beforehand.

how do you expect to catch scum if scum knows what's going to happen?

a) Why are you guys so threatened by me asking questions?

b) What do you mean I look important? How so?

I was curious if there was a particular voter on the wagon you felt was scummy - because I might agree with you about Beli's vote, but apparently it's the entire thing.

[Anatole Kuragin]

Too many players ask leading questions that give too much away, give scum an out in answering, or assume an answer from the beginning. None of these are particularly useful when trying to understand players' motivations. I'd rather just ask you guys what you were/are thinking. I'm not trying to look "important" whatever that means - I'm trying to piece together reads and you and farside are being particularly reluctant in response.

[farside22]

Too many players ask leading questions that give too much away, give scum an out in answering, or assume an answer from the beginning. None of these are particularly useful when trying to understand players' motivations. I'd rather just ask you guys what you were/are thinking. I'm not trying to look "important" whatever that means - I'm trying to piece together reads and you and farside are being particularly reluctant in response.

Baehahawhahahaha

Serious mountain is a molehill.
You also are exaggerating at least with me. I stated I'd put my points together when I get home.
You act like no one ever is going to respond. Example if let's say I don't post my point tonight and came up with a reason for not explaining and keep holding off you'd have a point. As it stand it's my one vote that no one is leaping on and should not be a concern.

I should be able to get my points together before bed, 10pm est if you want a time period.

Ki-Gi, do you think it's likely that scum would drop a second-vote-on-wagon vote without explanation like that?

Anatole why did you ask the question this way if it's not a scum tell to you?

I was trying to break down why KiGi was voting Matt when at worst his vote was null.

What do you find interesting about the flubbernugget wagon?

Can I say what I find interesting about the whole thing!?!?

Like I've been asking all day? Sure.

I think it's interesting nugget never respond and bel followed the wagon. As I said I felt ki's response to the wagon typically is a town mindset on quick wagon views.

[mykonian]

a) Why are you guys so threatened by me asking questions?

bored is the word. We are going through the motions, I can't read you off it. You can't read me off it (or so I suspect). It's threadfilling.

b) What do you mean I look important? How so?

Can't find the right word. Looks like you are doing cool stuff while nothing is going to come off it.

[Belisarius]

My vote on Flubber is no longer random.

[Csareo]

Holy shit, where to start. 7 pages already?
There appears to be a circle of "mattp, anatole, and farside" who are just grasing for straws for some kind of scum tell.
Mattp definitely set off alarms with his voting. I mean, seriously?
Anatole appears to be joking more than he is scum hunting.
I think farside seems townish.
Flubber is an idiot. Trust me, I've reviewed his games. His meta will constantly insult people and buddy with everyone who he's not insulting.
Mykrno your read is null ATM.
Reckoner you are null ATM.
Everyone else is null.

[Csareo]

Try to keep the game going at a normal pace. I could only extract so much from the last 7 pages.

[Anatole Kuragin]

Why are you putting the burden on everyone else to generate content, Csareo?

Beli, what do you mean?

[Csareo]

Can you rephrase that?

[Csareo]

I reread the last two pages. I think mykrnyo'a is town.

[Anatole Kuragin]

Try to keep the game going at a normal pace. I could only extract so much from the last 7 pages.

I think I may have misunderstood this comment. by "I could only extract so much" I got the impression you were remanding us because there was little worth noting in 7 pages.

[Csareo]

A better phrase would of been "my brain can only hold so much".
Although a lot of it was grabbing at straws speculation.

[MattP]

Can you quote examples of me grabbing at straws, Csareo

[Flubbernugget]

Okay. Sorry for the afk. Should get some real content out later tonight.

VERY IMPORTANT QUESTION:

Has anyone played with Csareo before??

[farside22]

This maybe a mess.
Phone posting is not my best ability.

I bring up this question because Anatole stated that matts vote on nugget was a null tell.
It obviously bother Anatole or this question to Matt was pointless.

To try and better understand the wagon.

He voted the same person I did

When I did it you decided I wasn't town

But when he did it your stance is that his wagon is a bad wagon

I don't understand the cause of the discrepancy, and I don't see how your question gains you insight into the legitimacy of the wagon

Why did you vote him?

This is a gotcha moment to point out something scummy about ki in my view that ki never stated an issue with the placement of the vote.

Ki-Gi, do you think it's likely that scum would drop a second-vote-on-wagon vote without explanation like that?

I don't think it's likely, no. Which is why I especially don't like Flubber's wagon.

You said you don't think it's likely that scum would drop the second vote on a wagon without explanation, which is what Matt did.

VOTE: Anatole

Matt: some of ki's post come off a bit vi. I maybe wrong but typically i see town concerned with quick wagon's more then scum.

*scoff's at myko brah tell*
Myko: how many scum you got with language tells?

This question looks like something I asked myko see above and below.
Not sure why the mimicry was necessary.

farside, how many scum have you got with random, completely unqualified and unexplained votes?

farside, how many scum have you got with random, completely unqualified and unexplained votes?

My vote is not random or a shock I would say.

But please keep asking pointless questions that give you no alignment info.

It's not pointless - you still haven't explained why you are voting for me. Why are you trying to avoid explaining the vote?

This statement is pretty false. I pretty bluntly stated his questions were pointless. Acting like I'm avoiding response although I stated that I'd put the quotes of questions in this thread.

Farside, If you were town you should welcome the opportunity to explain scumreads or perceived motives - not just ignore the chance to reason out a possible wagon as a gotcha for a point that is irrelevant.

Still whining despite my response to other question I've awnsered.
Basically again pointless.

I just find it weird that you're willing to drop an apparently serious vote with intention to make a case later, rather than the logical order of making a case first.

I'm busy right now but I've been keeping an eye on the thread and I think you're wasting time and harming town with your vindictive tone towards farside, Anatole. Maybe this is a time for self reflection and a drop of humility, even if she is being aggressive towards you

Why shouldn't I question her voting without explanation?

Why didn't you ask reck about his vote?

I'm busy right now but I've been keeping an eye on the thread and I think you're wasting time and harming town with your vindictive tone towards farside, Anatole. Maybe this is a time for self reflection and a drop of humility, even if she is being aggressive towards you

Why shouldn't I question her voting without explanation?

When I read through your posts regardless of content they came off as vindictive. I care much less about what you are doing in your posts. Do you currently believe that farside is even scummy?

Pursuing a case without any reasoning at all, discouraging questioning players and their motives are the scummiest traits that have been displayed so far. I'm trying to let her explain why she's playing like this before I make up my mind.

More pointless whining, at this point I think I've stated 3 times there'd be a case coming.

Basically at this point it reads as though Anatole isn't reading my post or purposely trying to make it that I'm the bad guy for not putting a case out right off the bat, which isn't scummy and is bs.


Next are these 2 comment.
First he states they hashed things out.

I corrected myself later to say that I think in some cases (not all) that an unexplained second-vote-on-wagon is not a scum action. That's all.

I think farside's logic is terrible but I don't see how that makes her scum.

I understand that, KiGi and it's one of the reasons I'm not still trying to argue anything about that quote with you. Farside on the other hand, is trying to make it seem scummy even though the two people involved with the question are past it.

I'm not sure on Ki-Gi yet.

But doesn't have a read and doesn't appear to try to understand ki's POV.

I feel like pointing out for the umpteenth time ki's issue with Matt had nothing to do with wagon placement and acting like it was is scummy to me.

Too many players ask leading questions that give too much away, give scum an out in answering, or assume an answer from the beginning. None of these are particularly useful when trying to understand players' motivations. I'd rather just ask you guys what you were/are thinking. I'm not trying to look "important" whatever that means - I'm trying to piece together reads and you and farside are being particularly reluctant in response.

This is pretty much an exaggeration. The only thing I never explain in full was why I was scum reading Anatole but I've awnsered everything else asked.

Oh and my final evidence that Anatole seems to be asking questions for the sake of asking questions.

Why are you putting the burden on everyone else to generate content, Csareo?

Beli, what do you mean?

Not even close to what csareo was saying in his post.

[farside22]

Okay. Sorry for the afk. Should get some real content out later tonight.

VERY IMPORTANT QUESTION:

Has anyone played with Csareo before??

Nope.

[Flubbernugget]

Heh. You guys are gonna have fun.

IN VUCA, EVERYONE IS AN IDIOT EXCEPT FOR CSAREO.

[Flubbernugget]

The guy's not necessarily trolling intentionally but he may as well be.

[Flubbernugget]

Somebody grill me harder with this wagon. I really don't see much to say here. If conversation keeps going the way it is though, people are going to end up confusing scum tells for syntactical errors.

[Csareo]

Look up guys

There is a dumbass in our midst, and he's here to troll
I would not mind policy lynching this asshole. He'll say stupid shit that will get him scum read and we'll spend 5 pages arguing about whether that is just his meta.
I can confirm that flubber's meta is to act like a douchebag.