Mini 1602: Game Over

[Malakittens]

I told you so SK

[shaddowez]

What do you think about Raibi

He hasn't posted enough content for me to get a strong read on, but he has posted enough to not be lurking. I'm gut-leaning scum trying to coast through under the radar right now.

[chaoslord54]

Okay so I read over everything and these are my reads.

Town Reads: Tammy, Elias, Flames, Aneninen
Leans Town: Phok, Implosion
Null: Agar, Riabi, Shadoweez
Leans Scum: Mala
Scum: Rack

I will post my case a little later and will also answer any questions any may have but for now

Vote:Rack

Where am I in there?

Sorry Tman, I am kinda null towards you still because I don't have a strong opinion yet on where I think you stand. I will update that a little later once I figure out where I think you stand.

[chaoslord54]

Elias

, why do you sheep Kitty if you have your own scumreads? (148)

Chaos

, can you give any details why do you think Rack and Kitty are scummy? Especially Kitty, because I don't find her scummy.

Sure I will explain in better detail in my next post on why I feel they are both scummy.

[shaddowez]

Chaos

- While you're at it, could you explain your townread on implosion?

[AGar]

This is a good point, but why would he defend him against the lynch so early in the game? There would be plenty of time to defend him against the lynch to earn towncred later on, not to mention the fact that this rack wagon could dissolve at any point.

I literally said why in the very post you quoted.

Rack apparently has no intention of being of use here. That's dumb.
Aneninen seems up the same boat.

I don't like the Rack case primarily because he's an alt, and alts are generally an awkward account to interact with because they often don't want to give off any possible tells as to who their main is. The case to me reads as "Rack is acting generally strange and awkward," and not something like "Rack did something super scummy."

Remember how I speculated Flames was defending Rack to get towncred? Look at this 180. If that's a bus, that's the worst bus in the history of busses. Like "Holy shit my partner is getting lynched, I must vote now!"

Gut and ~reasons~.

I'm real curious what "~" means in this context.

Well, since I said I would, VOTE: Aneminem

Well this is awkward.

This is too. Actually... Relevant.

OP will surely deliver. Surely. OP did not deliver.

What the fuck is this shit.

Also tman feels fake

I can haz examples? I've liked him since early on and we've generally been in sync so far so I want in your brain and shit.

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Moar Flames votes please?

~ Fixed a link.

[AGar]

@Mod

Fix my tag please? Thanks!

~ Done.

[Elias_the_thief]

Not sure how to respond to "this is awkward" and general disbelief. Care to be more specific?

[implosion]

Some votes are labeled as reaction tests. There's a certain category of votes, and votes within that category can be glorified into reaction tests. That is the category of vote to which my vote on Malakittens belongs. Or in plain english, I don't actually have any particular reason.

I've also been lurking like 80-90% because of sheer laziness.

Agar and Tammy are town. I think rack is town.

Flames, on iso, is a good candidate for scum, so I'm willing to support Agar in his venture for justice. Riabi is also an excellent candidate, as 184 (as others have pointed out) was the bad kind of waffling, i.e. it looks like scum wanting not to commit.

Some more reads are coming in a short bit, probably a couple minutes~

Unvote

VOTE: Flames

[implosion]

Aninenen's probably town. phok's weakly town (mostly gut).

Elias makes me twinge a little. The way he's fossed rack feels a little manufactured. Not very strong here, but eh.

Can't say much about shadow or chaoslord.

tman, upon isoing:

Actually,
VOTE: Tammy
That condescension in post 16 feels like scum trying to brush off the srs vote from flames.

I don't know if your being serious, but flames's vote wasn't serious.

Nope. Flames said it was serious. Ipso facto, it was serious.

Did you actually think it was serious, or were you being sarcastic here.

Sarcastic. But tman also is probably town.

[implosion]

So since everyone in this game seems oh so fond of listing all of their reads in one post I'll join the party

Tammy
AGar
~
rack
phokdapolees
tman2nd
Aneninen
~
Malakittens
shaddowez
chaoslord54
~
Elias_the_thief
Flames682
Riabi

Town -> scum, with very weak ordering within each tier (except for Tammy being fairly above AGar). Highly subject to change of course.

[tman2nd]

Some votes are labeled as reaction tests. There's a certain category of votes, and votes within that category can be glorified into reaction tests. That is the category of vote to which my vote on Malakittens belongs. Or in plain english, I don't actually have any particular reason.

What the heck?

[Aneninen]

AGar, as far as I know, mods are not allowed to fix tags.
Short reactions (I'm referring to 205) "OP did not deliver" – I'm too waiting for Chaos' answer.
"What the f-ck is this shyt" – that meant that I also had found it strange how fast that wagon had emerged. Even if I think Rack is a possible scum (that'swhy I kept my random vote there), we should keep an I on those who were and are on that wagon. (Yes, this includes me, I'm no exception.) MalaKittyPryde too found the wagon too fast though, I disagree with her: in my opinion the wagon

alone

is not a real tell on Rack.

So,
UNVOTE: – but, Rack, we need more posts (and I still have my FoS on you). You've havent posted anything since you asked about my name.

Riabi, we need more posts from you as well!

Implosion's latest posts have given me town vibes.

[rack]

I am curious how we went from this

No, petty sure implosion is town, too.

By the way, how would one pronounce your username?

You need to be lynched.

Can we pls lynch this.

Also implosion -- I'm still waiting.

to this

because I'm getting weirdish town vibes from Rack

in just over 8 hours and ~24 posts.


Without, I might add, me posting

anything at all

in between.

[Aneninen]

Lol, Rack, you've misread that. Check out Kitty's later post: she meant me, not you. ^_^

[AGar]

Not sure how to respond to "this is awkward" and general disbelief. Care to be more specific?

General commentary. It's awkward that you'd just sheep someone because they said "Gut and ~reasons~" when that seems to be the antithesis of your playstyle thus far in this game.

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AGar, as far as I know, mods are not allowed to fix tags.

They are. Please share how this matters, though.

Short reactions (I'm referring to 205) "OP did not deliver" – I'm too waiting for Chaos' answer.

Objection your honor - relevance?

"What the f-ck is this shyt" – that meant that I also had found it strange how fast that wagon had emerged. Even if I think Rack is a possible scum (that'swhy I kept my random vote there), we should keep an I on those who were and are on that wagon. (Yes, this includes me, I'm no exception.) MalaKittyPryde too found the wagon too fast though, I disagree with her: in my opinion the wagon

alone

is not a real tell on Rack.

Your checklist seemed pointless and echoed a common theme I've found in your posting this game - lacking in actual content, high on fluff meant to look witty or clever. Witty and clever don't find scum. Stop making a habit of trying to make your posts look like they are. Start finding scum.

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The answer to this post is this post. Reading is tech.

[Aneninen]

AGar, as far as I know, mods are not allowed to fix tags.

They are. Please share how this matters, though.

Are they? Then I've known that rule wrong 'till now. My mistake.

Short reactions (I'm referring to 205) "OP did not deliver" – I'm too waiting for Chaos' answer.

Objection your honor - relevance?

What do you mean by that?

Your checklist seemed pointless and echoed a common theme I've found in your posting this game - lacking in actual content, high on fluff meant to look witty or clever. Witty and clever don't find scum. Stop making a habit of trying to make your posts look like they are. Start finding scum.

I would start flailing or something like that if I thought that you were wrong. But, you're absolutely right.
Since I relatively new to the site, I can provide only 1 completed game to show you (if needed) that this behavior is not an alignment tell, it's simply an "

oh f-ck, Aneninen is being Aneninen again"

tell. (Should you think that it's worth meta-ing me, ignore my newbie game. My Day1 gameplay was shyt there, I even admitted that later in that game.)

Right now I'm off to work but after that,

finally

I'll have time for not only reading but also ISO-ing, thinking about the posts and writing more content as well.

[Aneninen]

By the way AGar your latest post has confirmed my townread on you. Thanxs!

[AGar]

Since I relatively new to the site, I can provide only 1 completed game to show you (if needed) that this behavior is not an alignment tell, it's simply an "oh f-ck, Aneninen is being Aneninen again" tell. (Should you think that it's worth meta-ing me, ignore my newbie game. My Day1 gameplay was shyt there, I even admitted that later in that game.)

I am not at all interested in meta and don't doubt this is just you. I'm just saying basically cut the shit. Only slightly nicer.

[Riabi]

Riabi

, talk to us more! You give no reasons on why you think Rack may be scum...heck, you've given no reasons on anything yet. Also, Rack was only at L-2 at the time of your posting. Don't think you're going to be able to just coast through this game and have everyone look the other way.

Sorry, I can normally play/post some at work, but work has just been indiscriminately crazy the last few days, and I've literally not been home to be at a computer either.

I don't have a lot of strong reads yet. But, while I may not have expressly said "rack, this is why you lean scum in my book" I think I eluded to my reasons in my questions. I felt that the way rack handled Tammy was scummy. It feels scummy to make an accusation about someone's meta, but then not support it with facts later.

As for town reads, AGar. He's asking IMO, a lot of good probing questions.

I definitely plan to get more complete reads, but it will likely be this weekend before that's possible.

[Aneninen]

Listing is in nowadays, as far as I can see. So, I've ISO-ed everyone and here it comes.

Probably Town

Agar – genuine scumhunting, including eg. 130, 205.

Lean Town

T-man – active reading and it seems that he tries hard. Still, something disturbs me in his posts and I don't know what. (Can anyone help?)
Implosion – his 100+ posts are mostly town-ish, though his vote in 115 was awkward. (So was his explanation about it in 208)
Chaoslord – because his list seems to be genuine, not a simple copy/paste of another list or of the current VC. But, we need more posts!
MalaKitty – many posts are sensible (eg. 87, 93, 97, 128... many). Still, she might be an expert-scum who tries starting cases (42, 129). Though, in my case, apart from the "forced RVS" thing she was right (I was posting elsewhere while producing here null-fluff). So, the latter possibility is not too likely.
Phokdapolees – he simply missed a joke earlier this day. (He gave an answer in 122) Either I'm skimming over major things or his posts have little content. Though, I find nothing really scummy here.

Unsorted

Shadowez – both town (eg. 147, 151) and scum vibes (eg. 150 if I consider 151 townish, or 89).
Tammy – hmmm... I consider this 5 and her similar posts jokes but eg. the vote in 78 was WTF. I don't know, maybe her later posts will help me in my reads.
Riabi – too little content.

Lean scum

Elias – feel free to call me an idiot but I think he's insincere at scumhunting. Even using the word insincere in 55 confirms my feelings. Plus, why does he sheep Kitty with his vote for me if he has scumreads on others? This 190 answer seems to be insufficient.

Probably scum

Rack – a couple of WTFs, like 37, 213. Talking about his previous games with Tammy and not providing anything about them. After that, this vote: 79 (what's the case against Kitty?) and this vote: 96. I think he's simply jumping on random wagons without having any sort of cases.
FlamesAndNumbers – Huh? In 48 he told that they had been joking (with Tammy) yet he responds to Implosion's 39 "I love when people give serious votes but give no reasoning at all." (Though, 2 posts later he suggested us to ignore that quote.) 66 is weak, post 92 is weak as well (tunnelling?). Post 67 and 75 contradicts each other more or less. Having read on, I realized that he had been unable to decide whether protect or attack Rack. 149 is a quotewall with little-to-none additional thoughts.

Note: I don't think that Rack and Flames are scums together (after I ISO-ed both of them). So, either my reads are flawed or I'm wrong about my previous conclusion.

VOTE: Flames – because he looks scummier right now than Rack.

[Malakittens]

Want to know the problem with lists?

It fences you in. Just when you think someone is scum a list makes you want to call them town. Which destroys any gut feeling I had on them to begin with.

Tammy is town, unless she does something majorly scummy then that read isn't changing. I also disagree with a lot of people's lists.

Implosion I think your reaction test was bullshit. Because of the few games you have with me or saw of me do you really think a reaction test would work on me? Like I think you had a better chance at selling meta differences than selling that was all a reaction test on me.
I mean I really don't buy it and let me tell you I buy a lot of things.

[implosion]

Implosion I think your reaction test was bullshit. Because of the few games you have with me or saw of me do you really think a reaction test would work on me? Like I think you had a better chance at selling meta differences than selling that was all a reaction test on me.
I mean I really don't buy it and let me tell you I buy a lot of things.

It wasn't a reaction test.

[Aneninen]

Want to know the problem with lists?
It fences you in. Just when you think someone is scum a list makes you want to call them town. Which destroys any gut feeling I had on them to begin with.

I disagree with you.

First of all, there are no "concrete fences". Reads can change any time.
Second, no lists can be "blind-trusted". Everyone misreads tells, misinterprets facts, skimms over posts, sentences, words.
Your own list helps you a lot sometimes. Eg. "wait... I have a feeling that Mmrnmhrm is scum but wait, in my list XX posts before I thought he was town. Let's check his later posts again whether anything has changed. On the other hand, hadn't I misinterpreted something by calling him town before?"
Others can correct your lists as well. Something like "Did you call Arilou scum because of her YY post? Check out her ZZ post where she explained the thing which gave you scum vibes". (Those were fictional examples, as far as I know there are no players with those names.)

It's just as important (or even more important) to read others' lists. I think towns try to get

real

reads and build up

viable

cases, even if their logic might be flawed by doing those whereas scums tend to pick things out of the thread inconsequently, give references/quotes which are hard to be followed (or give no references at all), intentionally misinterpret posts – or they simply echo others' thoughts.

Of course posting a list

in itself

is neither a scumtell nor a towntell.

Discuss?

[Malakittens]

Oh that went over your head. I was just lol inserting a half of a greys quote, but messed it up royally because I forgot half of it.