Mini 1603 - Air Combat Mafia - Game Over

[mykonian]

also, the tragic thing is that I don't think ki-gi is improving but don't really see an angle that won't get laughed at.

[Ki-Gi]

I admire that you still have confidence in your scum read of me despite that you're also aware of how ridiculous it looks to everyone else.

[mykonian]

one gets used to it.

[farside22]

@Farside, what is a null tell? Is that even possible?

Null tell is something scum and town both do and yes possible on many levels.

Look up guys

There is a dumbass in our midst, and he's here to troll
I would not mind policy lynching this asshole. He'll say stupid shit that will get him scum read and we'll spend 5 pages arguing about whether that is just his meta.
I can confirm that flubber's meta is to act like a douchebag.

VOTE: carstereo

All those post and bitching to have this guy do the same thing?
And still you mimic my post type by saying something similar. You should know it makes you look fake.

[mykonian]

morning farside.

Want to talk with me?

[Belisarius]

Beli, what do you mean?

Ongoing game meta, so I can't talk about it right now.

I

can

, however, have my vote on scum for VCA purposes even if I can't yet convince anyone else to lynch.

You're next, by the way.

[farside22]

morning farside.

Want to talk with me?

Why are you confused by this game?
Also do you think anatole's comments that have been close to my own comments is something you see from a town player? It is the biggest issue I have next to the 20 question that lead nowhere.

Also my morning was busy and today's pile on my desk makes me want to crawl in a hole.

[mykonian]

I'm not confused by the game as a whole just by some players choices.

Yes, I've seen people like anatole. idk, personalities do that. It's more that then allignment at this point, I think.

Good luck with your day

[mykonian]

Beli, what do you mean?

Ongoing game meta, so I can't talk about it right now.

I

can

, however, have my vote on scum for VCA purposes even if I can't yet convince anyone else to lynch.

You're next, by the way.

lame lamer lamest :/

I liked you better previous game.

[Anatole Kuragin]

Sorry I was rude in my last posts, Farside. I was in a bad mood last night.

But I echo my statement by asking what the fuck are you talking about re: trying to make my posts look like your posts?

[Anatole Kuragin]

Look up guys

There is a dumbass in our midst, and he's here to troll
I would not mind policy lynching this asshole. He'll say stupid shit that will get him scum read and we'll spend 5 pages arguing about whether that is just his meta.
I can confirm that flubber's meta is to act like a douchebag.

You answered the first question with the second question (and all your other posts).

Don't ive me that bullshit. Everyone knows that "policy lynch" talk is "scum convincing townies to lynch townies" talk

A) Supports a policy lynch on a player for past games
B) flat out says policy lynches are straight up scum playz

Slip, miscalculation, etc.

Vote this guy.

[mykonian]

AND YOU CALLED ME ILLOGICAL.


Also, give that some time. That one will sort itself out.

[farside22]

I'm not confused by the game as a whole just by some players choices.

Yes, I've seen people like anatole. idk, personalities do that.

It's more that then allignment at this point, I think.

Good luck with your day

What do you mean?

Sorry I was rude in my last posts, Farside. I was in a bad mood last night.

But I echo my statement by asking what the fuck are you talking about re: trying to make my posts look like your posts?

Let me start by saying this question proves alone you did not read the case I made that you mocked so openly.

Second you literally pitched a fit on my naked vote and I state reasons, then you do the exact same fucking thing to csareo. If something you feel is anti town why copy those actions?

[mykonian]

wow, that's a bad sentence.

I don't think his choice of handling the situation has a lot to do with what allignment he is. He could play like that as either, he could believe that's the right course of posting as town or believe that he'd post that way as town while being scum. I don't think it's very allignment indicative.

The biggest problem I have with anatole is that it's a shit ton of posts that still can't tell me anything.

[Anatole Kuragin]

I'm not confused by the game as a whole just by some players choices.

Yes, I've seen people like anatole. idk, personalities do that.

It's more that then allignment at this point, I think.

Good luck with your day

What do you mean?

Sorry I was rude in my last posts, Farside. I was in a bad mood last night.

But I echo my statement by asking what the fuck are you talking about re: trying to make my posts look like your posts?

Let me start by saying this question proves alone you did not read the case I made that you mocked so openly.

Second you literally pitched a fit on my naked vote and I state reasons, then you do the exact same fucking thing to csareo. If something you feel is anti town why copy those actions?

I quoted the post where he asked for a policy lynch on a player with like one post in the game. Is that not self-explanatory?

Add to that he compounded the scumminess of that post by following it up with a TOTAL SCUM SLIP by saying ONLY SCUM POLICY LYNCH.

Do you not care about that *at all*?

[Anatole Kuragin]

I mocked your case against me because it was really bad. You just quoted posts and interpreted them poorly, mostly stuff that has already been argued or explained in a way that makes it clear you didn't understand them at all.

This frustrates me because you don't like me asking questions that help me understand people's reasoning, yet you clearly misunderstand posts frequently and just roll with it.

Which makes more sense?

[Anatole Kuragin]

Vote Csareo, watch him scum flip, then you can stop wasting your time arguing bullshit because you'll know I'm town.

[mykonian]

Hmm. Why though. Your case isn't stellar.

[farside22]

I mocked your case against me because it was really bad. You just quoted posts and interpreted them poorly, mostly stuff that has already been argued or explained in a way that makes it clear you didn't understand them at all.

This frustrates me because you don't like me asking questions that help me understand people's reasoning, yet you clearly misunderstand posts frequently and just roll with it.

Which makes more sense?

Tell me what I misunderstood? Give an example,

Second the sheer fucking number of people who say I would pl a player and find it scummy to do it is so many I look at people and just shrug.
So no your point had no merit in a world of bad players whom I've called hypocrites.

[Anatole Kuragin]

Myko, You think a player pushing a policy lynch, then in his next few posts saying only scum policy lynch is less significant than your RVS vote on kigi?

[Belisarius]

lame lamer lamest :/

I liked you better previous game.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfQ-mF4mZ8M @ 4:37

[Anatole Kuragin]

This maybe a mess.
Phone posting is not my best ability.

I bring up this question because Anatole stated that matts vote on nugget was a null tell.
It obviously bother Anatole or this question to Matt was pointless.

To try and better understand the wagon.

He voted the same person I did

When I did it you decided I wasn't town

But when he did it your stance is that his wagon is a bad wagon

I don't understand the cause of the discrepancy, and I don't see how your question gains you insight into the legitimacy of the wagon

Why did you vote him?

This is a gotcha moment to point out something scummy about ki in my view that ki never stated an issue with the placement of the vote.

Actually it was me asking him why he voted. Because I wanted to know.

Ki-Gi, do you think it's likely that scum would drop a second-vote-on-wagon vote without explanation like that?

I don't think it's likely, no. Which is why I especially don't like Flubber's wagon.

You said you don't think it's likely that scum would drop the second vote on a wagon without explanation, which is what Matt did.

VOTE: Anatole

Matt: some of ki's post come off a bit vi. I maybe wrong but typically i see town concerned with quick wagon's more then scum.

*scoff's at myko brah tell*
Myko: how many scum you got with language tells?

This question looks like something I asked myko see above and below.
Not sure why the mimicry was necessary.

I intentionally framed my question the same way to show why your vote was as bad as his language tell/brah thing. That's the point. It's a rhetorical device called repetition.

farside, how many scum have you got with random, completely unqualified and unexplained votes?

farside, how many scum have you got with random, completely unqualified and unexplained votes?

My vote is not random or a shock I would say.

But please keep asking pointless questions that give you no alignment info.

It's not pointless - you still haven't explained why you are voting for me. Why are you trying to avoid explaining the vote?

This statement is pretty false. I pretty bluntly stated his questions were pointless. Acting like I'm avoiding response although I stated that I'd put the quotes of questions in this thread.

Yes, and quoting questions is not a case. It wasn't then and isn't now. You still have not given a single convincing reason for thinking I'm scum.

Farside, If you were town you should welcome the opportunity to explain scumreads or perceived motives - not just ignore the chance to reason out a possible wagon as a gotcha for a point that is irrelevant.

Still whining despite my response to other question I've awnsered.
Basically again pointless.

You wasted so much time posting yesterday about my questions that could have been used actually explaining your case about them. And now that you have - it is clear that the case has as much substance as a fairy's fart. I'm going to say that my whining was justified in light of this.

I just find it weird that you're willing to drop an apparently serious vote with intention to make a case later, rather than the logical order of making a case first.

I'm busy right now but I've been keeping an eye on the thread and I think you're wasting time and harming town with your vindictive tone towards farside, Anatole. Maybe this is a time for self reflection and a drop of humility, even if she is being aggressive towards you

Why shouldn't I question her voting without explanation?

Why didn't you ask reck about his vote?

I understood reck's vote. already been addressed

I'm busy right now but I've been keeping an eye on the thread and I think you're wasting time and harming town with your vindictive tone towards farside, Anatole. Maybe this is a time for self reflection and a drop of humility, even if she is being aggressive towards you

Why shouldn't I question her voting without explanation?

When I read through your posts regardless of content they came off as vindictive. I care much less about what you are doing in your posts. Do you currently believe that farside is even scummy?

Pursuing a case without any reasoning at all, discouraging questioning players and their motives are the scummiest traits that have been displayed so far. I'm trying to let her explain why she's playing like this before I make up my mind.

More pointless whining, at this point I think I've stated 3 times there'd be a case coming.

Basically at this point it reads as though Anatole isn't reading my post or purposely trying to make it that I'm the bad guy for not putting a case out right off the bat, which isn't scummy and is bs.[/quote]

You realize in the

post you quoted

he asked me for my opinion on you. I wasn't just "whining" for the fuck of it.

Next are these 2 comment.
First he states they hashed things out.

I corrected myself later to say that I think in some cases (not all) that an unexplained second-vote-on-wagon is not a scum action. That's all.

I think farside's logic is terrible but I don't see how that makes her scum.

I understand that, KiGi and it's one of the reasons I'm not still trying to argue anything about that quote with you. Farside on the other hand, is trying to make it seem scummy even though the two people involved with the question are past it.

I'm not sure on Ki-Gi yet.

But doesn't have a read and doesn't appear to try to understand ki's POV.

I feel like pointing out for the umpteenth time ki's issue with Matt had nothing to do with wagon placement and acting like it was is scummy to me.

Yep, already been addressed a thousand times and you still don't understand any of the interaction with me and Ki-Gi. I got him to admit that it was unlikely Matt's vote was scum motivated because of the context.

Too many players ask leading questions that give too much away, give scum an out in answering, or assume an answer from the beginning. None of these are particularly useful when trying to understand players' motivations. I'd rather just ask you guys what you were/are thinking. I'm not trying to look "important" whatever that means - I'm trying to piece together reads and you and farside are being particularly reluctant in response.

This is pretty much an exaggeration. The only thing I never explain in full was why I was scum reading Anatole but I've awnsered everything else asked.

What are you even talking about? This was clearly a comment on general play, not anyone in this game in particular. This is me trying to explain why I ask questions to understand the game. Look up the socratic method.

Oh and my final evidence that Anatole seems to be asking questions for the sake of asking questions.

Why are you putting the burden on everyone else to generate content, Csareo?

Beli, what do you mean?

Not even close to what csareo was saying in his post.

Still would love to know why you think that question to beli was pointless.

Csareo's statement was confusing. Already been addressed. He looked like he was complaining about our posting without actually posting anything of substance himself.

[Anatole Kuragin]

I don't even think you're scum at this point, I just think you're completely oblivious.

[Anatole Kuragin]

The biggest problem I have with anatole is that it's a shit ton of posts that still can't tell me anything.

This comes up in all my town games. Look up Beli's recent Flying Aces match. Majiffy yelled at me for a couple pages saying I'm anti-town because the way I play makes it difficult to discern my alignment. It's not intentional. It works though because I have a 100% town winrate so far this year.

[mykonian]

Myko, You think a player pushing a policy lynch, then in his next few posts saying only scum policy lynch is less significant than your RVS vote on kigi?

Dude. Go troll someone else

Also, without the annoying bit: yes.

Contradictions don't make scum. They make easy to understand cases for the masses. And you simply aren't made to be a demagogue.