Mini 1602: Game Over

[SleepyKrew]

VC 1.10

Flames682

(5) - AGar, implosion, Aneninen, tman2nd, Elias_the_thief

rack

(2) - phokdapolees, Flames682

Aneninen

(1) - Malakittens

Malakittens

(1) - chaoslord54

phokdapolees

(1) - rack

tman2nd

(1) - Riabi

Not Voting

(2) - shaddowez, Tammy

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
Day 1 deadline will hit in: (expired on 2014-08-31 16:48:15)

Elias_the_thief is V/LA until the 24th.
Tammy is V/LA until the 26th.
Riabi is V/LA until the 27th.

[shaddowez]

Elias

- To me, the Rack wagon grew pretty damn fast, and in the event that Rack is town and there was no scum voting for him yet, I didn't want him at L-1 for scum to come in and hammer him. There are enough people with suspicion on them that were on the wagon that a hammer may not have drawn undue suspicion. That's why I unvoted, to drop the wagon by a vote.

implosion

- The sass is fine, as long as you at least occasionally give some content as well. That being said, I really like your last couple of posts.

I believe I am comfortable putting Flames at L-1 though. He has provided very little content, is using weak arguments as his cases and/or is voting with the current wagon (obviously not himself, I mean Rack. Seeing as I don't have any other strong supicions right now,

VOTE: Flames

[Elias_the_thief]

Reading through the HP game, the tone of posts from both Agar and Mala feel different than here. This strengthens my Agar town read and is starting to lean my Mala read towards the scum side of things.

[quote="In post 271, Tammy"
To whomever asked - I associate Unhelpfulness with town because people don't do themselves any favors that way. It tends to make people want to lynch them and a good number of scum tend to avoid silly confrontations like that. However it's not as strong because it was a reaction test.[/quote]
This seems to be a complete null tell...how are town doing themselves any favors by making people want to lynch them? I mean self-preservation is not quite as strong a motivator on the town side as the scum side, but neither is trying to get themselves lynched. In other words this feels like a whole lotta WIFOM.

[Elias_the_thief]

UNVOTE:
Shadow, how is this situation at all different than the wagon on Rack?

[Malakittens]

well then.

i dont even then.

._.

[shaddowez]

UNVOTE:
Shadow, how is this situation at all different than the wagon on Rack?

Mainly, post count. The wagon on Rack started day 1 with an RVS vote, and grew in just a few days. In that timeframe, and the time since the Flame wagon started, everyone has been posting, and there's been more content to scrutinize.
What does concern me about the new wagon is the fact that pretty much all the votes (including mine) are from people that just hopped from one wagon to the other.

[Malakittens]

also flames might be town too

idk

[Tammy]

Reading through the HP game, the tone of posts from both Agar and Mala feel different than here. This strengthens my Agar town read and is starting to lean my Mala read towards the scum side of things.

[quote="In post 271, Tammy"
To whomever asked - I associate Unhelpfulness with town because people don't do themselves any favors that way. It tends to make people want to lynch them and a good number of scum tend to avoid silly confrontations like that. However it's not as strong because it was a reaction test.

This seems to be a complete null tell...how are town doing themselves any favors by making people want to lynch them? I mean self-preservation is not quite as strong a motivator on the town side as the scum side, but neither is trying to get themselves lynched. In other words this feels like a whole lotta WIFOM.[/quote]

*shrug*

What's wifom? It's my tell, one I said didn't really apply because reaction test. I don't really see the point of debating mafia theory, and this feels like interaction for the sake of it.

[Tammy]

Malas tone is a little different from when we've hydras together but it's more reminiscent if the open game we just played where she was town and I misread her.

[Elias_the_thief]

UNVOTE:
Shadow, how is this situation at all different than the wagon on Rack?

Mainly, post count. The wagon on Rack started day 1 with an RVS vote, and grew in just a few days. In that timeframe, and the time since the Flame wagon started, everyone has been posting, and there's been more content to scrutinize.
What does concern me about the new wagon is the fact that pretty much all the votes (including mine) are from people that just hopped from one wagon to the other.

Okay. I'll buy that. What conclusions would you draw from a scum flip? From a town flip?

[Tammy]

Elias wh did you ifnore my response to you?

[Aneninen]

I mean self-preservation is not quite as strong a motivator on the town side as the scum side, but neither is trying to get themselves lynched.

I agree. Everyone try to avoid getting lynched, regardless of their alignment, even if a scumlynch hurts the scum faction much more than a townlynch the town faction. So, trying to survive a Day (or trying to survive it at all costs) is not a real tell in most cases. (Of course, there are exceptions.)

Elias, why exactly did you unvote Flames in your next post?

UNVOTE:
Shadow, how is this situation at all different than the wagon on Rack?

Mainly, post count. The wagon on Rack started day 1 with an RVS vote, and grew in just a few days. In that timeframe, and the time since the Flame wagon started, everyone has been posting, and there's been more content to scrutinize.¹
What does concern me about the new wagon is the fact that pretty much all the votes (including mine) are from people that just hopped from one wagon to the other.²

(1) I like this answer.
(2) Can you give us examples?

[Elias_the_thief]

Last post before V/LA...

Tammy: I didn't respond because you said you didn't want to discuss theory. Didn't think the point was particularly important. WIFOM refers to "Wine in front of me" from Princess Bride fame. It basically means that something becomes a null tell due to layers of people trying to out think eachother. Check the wiki for more.

Anen: I unvoted because I wanted an answer from Shadow about why his vote was different. Also because I'm about to be outtie for two days.


Ugh Anen, why you gotta be in both my games, you're making me get em all mixed up >.<

[Tammy]

Um. I know what wifom is.

What about that is wifom?

[Malakittens]

VOTE: tman

[SleepyKrew]

Ugh Anen, why you gotta be in both my games, you're making me get em all mixed up >.<

Don't refer to ongoing games.

[SleepyKrew]

Flames682 has been prodded.

[SleepyKrew]

AGar has been prodded.

[AGar]

Hey sorry. Been crazy with work the past two days, will get back tomorrow in a real capacity. Sorry again.

[implosion]

*patiently waits for flames to hopefully say things*

[chaoslord54]

So can someone explain a little more thoroughly to me the reason for Flames being scum? Because at the moment I don't see it and wanted to see if someone can make it a little more clear IMO. Also, Malakittens, can you explain to me your random switch to Tman as your vote?

[rack]

I know I already prod-dodged once, but I'm doing it again. Today I'll have real content.

[Aneninen]

Chaos,
I posted it in 220, and I had a conversation with Tman and Elias later, we talked about Flames too. You can check that as well. There is something else. Flames showed up once since that post and gave no reaction to my reads. Right now he seems to be lurking. These are minor, but further scumtells in my eyes.

Your question about MalaKitty is good. Can we have an explanation, Kitty?

[Malakittens]

What did I miss while skimming? -;;

[SleepyKrew]

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