↑ PJ. wrote: ↑ Oman wrote:TBH I don't think bronze oce is any worse than bronze NA. I think the problem is at higher levels where the lack of competition and scrims means that the "best" team is Legacy who aren't great. Because there's no one to push them harder or for them to learn by playing against.
My comment is only that within the meta of bronze oce (and I only know that because that's where I play) dying a lot is normal. Most games have 40-50 kills and those deaths are shared around. It's a rare game when SOMEONE doesn't have 10 deaths. I'm not saying that it's the right way to play or that the "don't die" critique isn't the best advice, I'm just saying that dying doesn't mean you're feeding or not carrying in OCE bronze. It's CERTAINLY something I need to improve on, but this is the Bear Theory: you don't need to not feed, you just need to be less of a feeder than the other team. It's win or loss, there is no matter of degrees.
I odn't think the best way to learn the game, or more accurately I don't think the best way to TEACH the game is to say to someone "You die 10 times in mid, you're a scrub don't play mid".
On OCE, The player base is significantly smaller(so small they removed draft normals because it was taking to long to get a game and the games had too much swing in mmr) There are also more newer players because of how long the OCE server has been around compared to the the NA, EUW, Korea, Nordic, and Chinese. The player base is typically less skilled, so if you are low ranked on a small server, you will typically be much lower on a big server.
All bronze people have a problem with dying too much. The goal is to get more money than your opponent so you can crush the nexus and win. By taking objectives you get global gold. By not giving up objectives, the enemy is denied global gold. By getting kills, you get gold, by not dying, you deny your opponent gold, especially bounty gold. So dying a shitload is a huge problem, because you are lessening your advantage. I rather have an 0/10 guy on my team then a 14/10 guy, because the 14/10 is giving WAY more gold to the enemy and making it that much harder for me to carry.
Also my point in saying "you die 10 times mid so don't play mid" wasn't to teach him how to play mid, It was to tell him how ridiculous it is for him to:
- Get upset over someone demanding a role that he doesn't main
- Think he's the best midlaner in bronze when he can't even finish even or better
- Think that he isn't feeding the enemy mid/that there's less of a chance of the enemy getting fed if he plays a lane he isn't at his best at when someone else he is in queue with feels more comfortable there
I'm not a midlaner by any means, and it's not like I don't see mid laners feed. But I don't try to wrestle the spot out from under them or have the audacity to think I could of done better because I know i'm not comfortable there in my level. He's better off playing a role he is better at then trying to "not feed" mid. It's a lesson in self-awareness. Look at your stats. Do you notice that you are significantly worse at one particular role or champ? Ranked is not the place to practice(except for when it is which i won't get into). You're playing ranked to win games(typically). Don't play things you aren't confident you can win with in ranked. And if you do, don't bitch when you get smoked in bronze OCE.
How many of the stats your looking up are
a) MONTHS old
b) from losing games (Hint even when losing i try when a lot of people clearly give up valuing their score more then trying to win)
c) Not actually me playing mid lane (Morg is support, Ryze is top, Nidalee i played support for a bit back when her spears were boxes)
As for Ziggs game, i recall that being one where i was winning laning phase due to a counter pick, but back then didn't have the knowledge of when to roam with me lead (And personally i think my Xerath takes my Ziggs position better)
As for my Yasuo game
a) that's part of the reason i even ASKED the question about talon (He was one i thought might have done decent, but i did honestly get shredded)
b) we had a Nasus that managed to feed a Poppy that knew how to roam
c) i didn't give up and as Yas it's very hard to try to fight a fed enemy team.
I know i'm not completely amazing, does that mean that i shouldn't be trying to learn and get better at the game?
