Mini 1602: Game Over

[SleepyKrew]

VC 1.12

neil1113

(3) - AGar, Aneninen, tman2nd

rack

(2) - phokdapolees, neil1113

tman2nd

(2) - Riabi, Malakittens

Malakittens

(1) - chaoslord54

phokdapolees

(1) - rack

Not Voting

(4) - Elias_the_thief, Tammy, implosion, shaddowez

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
Day 1 deadline will hit in: (expired on 2014-08-31 16:48:15)

Elias_the_thief is V/LA until today.
Tammy is V/LA until the 26th.
Riabi is V/LA until the 27th.

phokdapolees has been prodded.

[Tammy]

TICK TOCK NEIL!

[Tammy]

Omg do to know how drunk I am? You suck!

[phokdapolees]

Here, sorry

And I agree with Tammy, neil's introduction is pretty scummy.

VOTE: neil

[phokdapolees]

Actually, not the introduction itself (though I also find it weird how he didn't know which slot he replaced into), moreso these posts:

Scum catch up post? Taking their time to read through the game, make reads, further town information, etc.... is a scum motivated catch up post?

Tell you what Tammy, when you want to actually read my posts as I read through, then we can discuss it. Until then, keep your mouth shut. Mis-repesenting someone doesn't suit you well and further proves your scumminess. Consider this a free newbie mafia tip.

[AGar]

Catch-up of Great Justice!

Chaos in 248 is a bunch of weak cases. Move along, nothing to see. Chaos is also not actually reading, as evidenced in #256, and is awkward in his defense of Flames.

Anen is kinda weird in that sometimes his posts feel like "Hey this is a super townie post" and other times it's like "Holy fuckballs why do you exist?"

Has anyone played with phok before? Does he usually ignore questions people ask him and have fake bravado cuz I tend to associate posts above and that game solved nonsense with scum, but he's so new and I'm getting that kind of vibe and keep bouncing back and forth.

I find those qualities more frequently in town who feels like someone needs to take a lead.

Reading through the HP game, the tone of posts from both Agar and Mala feel different than here. This strengthens my Agar town read and is starting to lean my Mala read towards the scum side of things.

Please be to learning how to meta if you're gonna do it. It's a bad tool that people use incorrectly (like you here!) and too much as a crutch but if you're going to do it, do it right. Can't meta off one game.

VOTE: tman

WAT

Not tman, bruh.

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Neil is in this game. Flames is Neil. Carry on as per usual.

But seriously, his "points" system is gimmicky and very much "Look at me, I'm putting effort into the game I can't be scum!" Please be to lynching this with fire. I also want to stab him.

Ok so where did this wagon go? Neil starts posting some gimmicky bullshit and everyone just swoons at how town he is? Fuck that noise. Votes need to return here. He comes in and continues the weak push on rack started by his predecessor and just parrots early reasoning that multiple other people saw dismantled as weak and some bullshit and uses that to justify his vote.

[implosion]

No, i more unvoted because he basically said "hey i'm a power role." I'm somewhat waiting for him to say which one. And somewhat just kind of staring at things and saying "blah."

[implosion]

Agar, what do you make of the lines I quoted in 317?

[implosion]

And wonderful. The very first thing I find when I look at neil's meta leads me to believe he has a history of fakeclaiming as town.

VOTE: neil

Claim pls. You've already softclaimed, fullclaim.

[tman2nd]

Ok, I'm here, and no longer feeling sick.

[tman2nd]

Sigh, Tman was doing so good too. Your vote on Rack is reiiterating what everyone else is saying, and you did a complete 180 in your post from the beginning. It wasn't a long post so the 180 seems forced. You went from not sure who to vote, to absolutely feeling like "Rack was the best vote." And your excuse toward Phok is Mala's decleration of Phok's meta? That's a terrible excuse to change your read on someone. Especially considering we just went through this with Rack, the idea of giving meta as an excuse for something and not actually providing the evidence... Scum points awarded.

It wasn't a long post, but I took some time to think while I was typing it. Also, my change of mind with regard to Phok wasn't based on meta. I just decided that what Phok had been doing didn't really seem to come from mafia.

[tman2nd]

Tell you what Tammy, when you want to actually read my posts as I read through, then we can discuss it. Until then, keep your mouth shut. Mis-repesenting someone doesn't suit you well and further proves your scumminess. Consider this a free newbie mafia tip.

What the heck is this? Are you saying she didn't read your post?

[Aneninen]

Hi there, Neil!

Sorry to say, your posts haven't changed my read on your slot so far.
I must agree with Phok and Tman, 312 was scummy. I must add, your catching-up posts are thorough indeed, but my intuitions says you're just trying to make us tired and to buy yourself some time.

[Elias_the_thief]

Officially settled into school. Got a few classes today but will catch up and post once they're over.

[chaoslord54]

Okay so I was feeling a little iffy about Neil's opening post but I was willing to give him a chance but then he posted this..

Ahem, Tammy you just put me at L-1...

I just realized I was at L-2. Are you that confident I am scum? I would have had a slight scum read myself on Flames, but not more than you or Rack. Especially not enough to put him at L-1. Then again, I'm still on page 6 so that could change. If he ran his slot up as scummy as possible and replaced out again, I'm going to be fucking furious. This is why he's already blacklisted by several people here. And honestly, depending on my finished conclusion after my read through, if that's what he did, I'm going to call for a mod kill. That's against our town win-condition, and in the end, it fucks the town really badly considering our role.

From there his argument with Tammy just comes off to me as someone who realized they were caught in their ways and then is desperately trying to push eyes away form him and onto someone else.

So

Vote:Neil113

[neil1113]

but my intuitions says you're just trying to make us tired and to buy yourself some time.

Hi Anen. I don't understand the "get you tired" part... but buy myself some time? That's actually exactly what I was doing, though I'm not sure how that's alignment indicative? I just wanted to play the freaking game, it's extremely frustrating replacing into a spot that is at L-1 / L-2 with the whole game thinking your spot is scum. It's even more frustrating when they are wrong. But I shouldn't have been surprised, I should have looked at who I was replacing before hand. Flames has done this before. That's more why I'm irritated than anything else.

Okay so I was feeling a little iffy about Neil's opening post but I was willing to give him a chance but then he posted this..

Ahem, Tammy you just put me at L-1...

I just realized I was at L-2. Are you that confident I am scum? I would have had a slight scum read myself on Flames, but not more than you or Rack. Especially not enough to put him at L-1. Then again, I'm still on page 6 so that could change. If he ran his slot up as scummy as possible and replaced out again, I'm going to be fucking furious. This is why he's already blacklisted by several people here. And honestly, depending on my finished conclusion after my read through, if that's what he did, I'm going to call for a mod kill. That's against our town win-condition, and in the end, it fucks the town really badly considering our role.

From there his argument with Tammy just comes off to me as someone who realized they were caught in their ways and then is desperately trying to push eyes away form him and onto someone else.

So

Vote:Neil113

I have no idea what this means? Why am I trying to push eyes away form me? I'm okay with people looking at me, questioning me, challenging me... but putting me at L-1? I'd rather not be lynched right as I replace into the game, regardless of my alignment. It's irritating (as mentioned above). And it's frustrating because I didn't know I was at L-2 when I started my read through, and then to find out I'm about to be lynched after actually wanting to put time and effort into this game, like seriously? That pisses me off. I'm town, and it pisses me off, but if I was scum, I'd be pissed off just as well. Regardless, this is not alignment indicative.

It comes down to only two options for my frustration. Either I'm town, frustrated because of the reasons I said, or you could easily claim I'm scum caught for the wrong reasons. Either or is acceptable logic. The pushes that have been on me, is what irritate me. They aren't acceptable logic to lynch a townie, ever. It's bad town play, period. If I do get lynched, these are the people that definitely need to be looked at.

[chaoslord54]

Neil, address this questions and I will unvote you for now depending on your answer.

In 308 How did you not already know your alignment? Also why are you ignoring Tammy's question to you in 323?

Also, how are you not trying to take eyes away from you? Tammy points out flaws in your case against her and instead of properly addressing what she says you bring up more points and then blow her off by saying she's not reading after she said she is reading your case against her. Then you ignore her questions towards you. That comes off to me as someone trying to draw eyes away from them and onto someone else.

[implosion]

If I do get lynched, these are the people that definitely need to be looked at.

"You should look at the people on my wagon when I'm lynched! Oh, but I'm not going to mention which of the six of them I'm referring to with this line, nor am I going to refute any of their points, nor am I going to directly respond to the two people (Tammy and implosion) who have posted the most towards me since I replaced in!"

Nope.

Sorry, bud, doesn't work that way. You don't get to turn yourself into some martyr that's dying because of Flames or who's "getting lynched for the wrong reasons even if they are scum" without refuting any of the reasons.

Every single person

on your wagon has posted since Flames replaced out. No one is voting you just because of Flames, so suck it up and defend *yourself* or just accept the lynch and don't whine about it.

[implosion]

Like. This entire paragraph.

It comes down to only two options for my frustration. Either I'm town, frustrated because of the reasons I said, or you could easily claim I'm scum caught for the wrong reasons. Either or is acceptable logic. The pushes that have been on me, is what irritate me. They aren't acceptable logic to lynch a townie, ever. It's bad town play, period. If I do get lynched, these are the people that definitely need to be looked at.

Everyone. Just read this lone paragraph.

It's such sophistry. It's literally pure rhetoric. "The pushes on me are bad." No logic as to why they're bad. Or whose push on him is bad (out of the six people voting him, dare I add). "They aren't acceptable logic to lynch a townie, ever." Without any mention of more than half of the logic in question. "bad town play." Insulting everyone on the wagon (or, I suppose, every townie on the wagon) without any logic backing up what he's saying.


I wish I wasn't voting neil so I could threaten a hammer.

[tman2nd]

I believe Neil is at L-1, I'll unvote so he can at least finish his read.

UNVOTE:

Hi there, Neil!

Sorry to say, your posts haven't changed my read on your slot so far.
I must agree with Phok and Tman, 312 was scummy. I must add, your catching-up posts are thorough indeed, but my intuitions says you're just trying to make us tired and to buy yourself some time.

Ok, posts like these from Anen bother me. I agree that Neil is scummy, but you seem to be doing it for the wrong reason. I don't get what you mean by "make us tired and buy yourself some time." I have a hard time deciding whether posts like this are Anen being explaining things badly or scum!Anen trying to get on a popular wagon, but not having good reasons.

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On a completely non-game related note,

@Aneninen

Do you like oranges?

[AGar]

Agar, what do you make of the lines I quoted in 317?

That was a fairly shitty thing of him to do but scum can fake it to look town so I literally wouldn't read into it at all.

I don't get what you mean by "make us tired and buy yourself some time."

Generally speaking, it's a viable scum tactic to post walls and walls of useless bullshit that people read and then finish reading and just want to walk away from the computer because they were exhausting.

It's also how mastin plays every game ever.

[Aneninen]

I don't get what you mean by "make us tired and buy yourself some time."

Generally speaking, it's a viable scum tactic to post walls and walls of useless bullshit that people read and then finish reading and just want to walk away from the computer because they were exhausting.

Yes, Niel and Tman, I meant exactly that.
But, I must admit, Neil, you're right in one thing. You replaced into a scumread slot which makes all of us biased. (Even if many of us think that so far you've failed to change this picture.) I, personally find your wallposts tiring because it's hard to follow them (because you don't use links or concrete references like this: 346) and your +/– system doesn't help me to read them. Despite of this, I think we should wait 'till you catch up with the whole thread and summarize your reads. (Who's scum/town and in a few sentences, why?) So, take your time!

On a completely non-game related note,

@Aneninen

Do you like oranges?

Yes, I do ^_^

[Malakittens]

Neil

Question for you.

Why did you chose to read this game but I yelled at you constantly during the open and you didn't ??

This is srs question.

[shaddowez]

Neil

- Who do you think the scummiest people on your wagon are? Also, what do you think of the Rack wagon that happened earlier in the game.

[SleepyKrew]

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