Mini 1602: Game Over

[Malakittens]

/steals top.

More maybe after work if I don't pass out

[phokdapolees]

Chaos, if you had a stronger scumread on rack than Mala, then why did you decide to vote for mala to "get it out of the way" when the rack wagon is already developed?

Also, AGar is town, Tammy is meh, Riabi is meh, chaos is town, mala's meh, aneninen is town, implosion is scum (his reads list in 210 has scumreads of pretty much every easy mislynch), I'm obvtown, shaddow is meh, tman's weird, flames is scum (PoE), elias is town, rack is scum

Game solved

Could you elaborate on your reads here?

What do I need to elaborate on?

I don't know. It just seems like there isn't much explanation.

I explained everything I needed to

Can we lynch neil already, I'm getting bored

[shaddowez]

I really wanted to hear more from Neil before voting, but I'm not liking his disappearing act. I realize that he hasn't been onsite posting anywhere else, but he's also just over 12 hours away from a prod. I don't like the couple of posts that he's made, and while I wouldn't outright pin them as scummy, they do absolutely nothing to up my read from the slot.

VOTE: Neil

That's L-1. I will unvote if Neil starts posting again and I get around to it before somebody hammers.

[AGar]

I was saying Mala's reads on you is OMGUS.

That's still factually inaccurate.

Agar - What are your thoughts on Elias? You mentioned early on you weren't able to get a read from him and have responded to some of his posts since, but haven't really given a read.

I don't post reads lists unless I feel it's beneficial. I also don't just give reads upon request.

[SleepyKrew]

VC 1.14

neil1113

(6) - AGar, Aneninen, phokdapolees, implosion, chaoslord54, shaddowez

tman2nd

(2) - Riabi, Malakittens

rack

(2) - neil1113, Elias_the_thief

Not Voting

(3) - Tammy, tman2nd, rack

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
Day 1 deadline will hit in: (expired on 2014-08-31 16:48:15)

Tammy is V/LA until today.
Riabi is V/LA until the 27th.

This VC was done on my phone; please let me know if there are any errors.

[implosion]

I really don't have much to say until neil answers the stuff that's been posed.

[Aneninen]

There's not much to say now. Neil should finish his catchup or at least, post something. As far as I know Mala promised a detailed post. And Phok could give more explanation about his list. Have I left out something?

[tman2nd]

Rack needs to say more.

[SleepyKrew]

Riabi has requested replacement. Oso replaces Riabi. The OP will be updated shortly.

EDIT: It is done, m'lord.

[Oso]

Hello folks, replacing Riabi.

Unless asked a direct question, nothing substantive from me until Neil answers the L-1 wagon.

[chaoslord54]

Like everyone else, I'm more waiting for Neil to answer. Mala gets under my skin personally but I feel Neil is the better person to try and get rid of at the moment and would really like to see him answer

[neil1113]

Emergency V/LA Mod for the next couple of days, at least.

I'm not sure when I'll get internet again, the electric was cut off because my wife forgot to pay it. *sigh* So I'm trying to view this from my phone but there's like 10000 pages, and there's no possible way I can accurately type this out, and read everything on a phone. If I'm at L-1 right now, and people are still seriously considering lynching me, don't. At least not yet, give me a chance to play.

I'm a Cop. Which should explain a little bit about my attitude, especially toward my predecessor. I promise once I have access, I'll answer every question addressed to me.

[tman2nd]

Well, that's problematic! When he comes back, it will be extremely close to the deadline! What if we decide we don't want to lynch him?

[Malakittens]

I honestly really don't believe it

[Oso]

I do have a question for the folks that are voting him though: How confident are you in your reads?

Forget optimal claimed cop play for the town and all the theory behind what to do with a claimed cop (for a second, not asking you to do it permanently) is he still scum despite the claim?

[Aneninen]

I have an idea.

@Everyone: if you are counterclaiming Neil, DO IT in your very next post!

If there is no counterclaim, we should assume that Neil's claim is real and disband his wagon. (After all, if his claim is fake we'll find that out soon.) If you've posted anything without counterclaiming start posting your other scumreads as soon as you can.

UNVOTE: – I'm willing to revote him if anyone counterclaims but now I'm scared of a derphammer on Neil.

[Malakittens]

Dude we didn't wagon him because he claimed cop but because he's scummy as hell.

He's scum. He's scum stalling.

He should be lynched.

Plain and simple

[Malakittens]

I almost lol hammered when he claimed, but then I behaved.

I should get town points for that

[Aneninen]

Yes, KittyPryde, but we were wagoning him

before

his claim. Call me a bunny, but I think it's too risky to lynch him. So, counterclaim him or go scumhunting somewhere else.

[tman2nd]

I'm not sure counter claiming is a good idea. He could be scum fishing for a cop claim.

[Malakittens]

No.

It's risky to keep him alive.

He's fishing for the real cop if we have one.

Trust me.

Trust.

[Tammy]

I'll have a proper post when I get home but I'm a bit eh on if there should be a cc. I think I'd like them to keep their mouth shut.

Apparently Neil has a habit of fake claiming so I don't know what to think.

What I do think is fishy is his response to me after I voted him. He said my vote invalidated anything he said about me. I've been a cop, and I didn't go oh shoot damn now koonez going to take my scum read on you seriously because I always knew I'd be able to investigate and would know. I'm at work on phone or I'd quote the posts now. I will later.

[Malakittens]

!!!!

Tammy

[implosion]

Last time I saw a d1 cop claim, I (and the town) waffled for a few days, then lynched them and they flipped scum.

In my opinion, the cop claim makes neil more likely to be scum for similar reasons to back then: cop is a role that, I think in the eyes of scum, has a perception of being a believable claim, but isn't actually common in the mini normal meta. Last time this happened, there was one actual cop in the last ten completed mini normals (and it was in a game that was modded by the half of the hydra who claimed cop). A cursory look suggests the meta may have changed (it was in 2 of the last 5). So eh. Idk. I guess this point doesn't hold much merit itg. I also have less intuition of mod meta than I did in that game. Tammy was also in that game (it's the game I linked when displaying her town meta).

Anyway, back to actual points (and Oso's question). I'm at least less convinced than I was in that other game. But does it make sense for a cop to softclaim? Hell no. Cops are often in games where scum has some way to deal with the cop. For instance a roleblocker, and a softclaimed target is perfect to roleblock. Idk, at least it's stupid, even if it is something that they could do.

Unvote

For now while I think about this a bit.

[SleepyKrew]

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