Micro 379: Forest Fire Arsonist (Game Over)

[The Bulge]

Okay so I think I should probably replace out because I definitely can't muster up the energy for this game, and if I am alive after death, that's going to cause me to have to have even more harm to town after my death.

Hmmmmmmm

VOTE: Maruchan

[Micc]

Votecount 2.01

Maruchan (2)

: InflatablePie, The Bulge

Malakittens (1)

: Bins

The Bulge (1)

: Malakittens

Not Voting (5)

: Maruchan, Malakittens, Dr Pants, notscience, tree

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to Lynch or No Lynch.

Deadline:

The deadline for Day 2 will be at 5:00 PM CST, which is in (expired on 2014-09-09 17:00:00).

[Bins]

HURT: The Bulge

seriously why is it a town hammer omg

[Bins]

DAMN THAT TAG IS COOL

sry if it's not legal

[The Bulge]

HEAL: The Bulge

HURT: Bins

[The Bulge]

It's not scum for the reason Pie posted. It's too bad to be scum. Scum wouldn't pull such an obvious hammer like that.

Yea yea WIFOM etc etc

[Malakittens]

VOTE: NOTTY

[Bins]

that's the thing

it wasn't an 'obvious' hammer. she was being TOLD to hammer. gah.

[Bins]

wat

[The Bulge]

VOTE: NOTTY

Based purely on Day 2 posts, my number two right now. Same reasons as Maru. If you can figure out my reasons for Maru based on what I quoted then you can find reasons for ns too.

Actually I'm curious. Anyone not understand my vote?

[Bins]

the 'if' in his post should be a 'since' idk mang

[Bins]

but i thought ns was townfriiiends with mala

[The Bulge]

the 'if' in his post should be a 'since' idk mang

Nope. But it is that sentence.

[Bins]

the post is one sentence

[Bins]

STOP BEING CHEEKY

[The Bulge]

Ok "that part of the sentence" yeesh

[Bins]

STOP BEING CHEEKY

[Bins]

HURT: BULGE

[InflatablePie]

I forgot about the re-read thing but I read through p7 and wrote up my thoughts. I'll post them in a bit.

mala why the flying fuck are you voting ns

[InflatablePie]

Spoiler: Page 1-7 textwall

p1:

Game starts off with Bins voting Mala and NS voting Bins for "FUCK I WAS GONNA DO THAT". Like I said earlier, I find scum like to enter RVS by being overly cheeky more often than not. Bulge responds by voting NS with "BREAK THE CHAIN, YOU DIE". Not that there actually was a chain.

This is where I was thinking "one of NS/Bulge is scum", but not both. I explained this somewhere. NS and Bulge are still being cheeky in 9/10, and furthers the idea of them

not

being scum together.

Pants votes tree and less than a minute later, tree votes himself. I'm thinking, even if tree was planning on voting himself initially, scum would pause slightly longer to selfvote given someone already did so. One townpoint to tree!

Still not liking Pants' early comment, but I already got way too deep into that.

Recap: [ns/bulge] poss-scum, tree town, Pants ???

p2:

Still don't like Pants' comments. In 30 he asks the "real question" of why I didn't RVS vote, which while I

can

understand, it's odd that that seems to be the main reason for him suspecting me initially. Rather, my initial question on p1 may have gotten his attention, he continues his pursuit by asking about my lack of RVS vote and seems to move onto that as the new main reason. In 34, he votes me, using "[him] calling [me] out improperly for it" as the basis for the vote. But then he says "And apparently you're looking for the same thing as me (people who hide in RVS), which is why you didn't vote in RVS and instead opted to talk numbers." I explained why I didn't vote in RVS, yet rather than attempt to attack that reasoning, he used some of my own logic to call my lack of RVS vote scum. Thing is, the way he words his logic here is a fallacy. He's assuming I'm scum and using the logic of "that's why you didn't vote in RVS" to 'confirm' that I'm scum. It's circular.

Let's move on.

Still feeling odd about Bulge's 39; comes across as just skating by. "Yep, looks town versus town *nod*" and asking a random question.

Let's move back: Pants continues his crusade in 48. His RVS vote point seems odd, since he didn't mention the lack of RVS vote until later (and again, I was very transparent about why I didn't RVS vote), and pushes the setup discussion point which I still believe makes no sense to push.

Despite it being a self-point and kinda WIFOM, I like Bulge's 49. The self-awareness part is what gets me, I feel like town points out things related to self-awareness moreso than scum. I could be wrong, but I'm willing to give Bulge a townpoint.

Recap: Feeling worse about Pants, feeling slightly better about Bulge.

p3:

Bins has an odd post in 50, referring to 39 I'm assuming. Makes sense once I read it over a few times... sort of. I'd like Bins to elaborate at some point. And I'm wondering what she saw that made her think Pants doesn't look scummy (58)?

I... don't understand my own logic from 72 so that's a good sign.


p4:

Pants doesn't comment on anything I've posted recently, instead suspects notscience with 83, despite "I don't like this" being code for "scummy". And "Considering how much actual stuff you could throw at pie" feels weird to me coupled with no new points of his own. I've done that as town though, when I make a case that gets refuted and I just don't address the point from then on. So I don't know.

Putting ns at L-1 is ballsy though. Votes up until now are

Bulge/Mala/tree

. If Pants is town, this is actually a good vote because scum wouldn't want to hammer so early in this setup (regardless of ns alignment although moreso if ns-town), plus it puts him under the spotlight which town cares much less about than scum.

If Pants is scum, assuming ns-town again, he either knows his buddy won't hammer or that his buddy is already on the wagon. If Pants gets lynched and flips scum, I want this wagon looked at. Most likely scum is probably the same order IMO, Bulge > Mala > tree.

I really don't like Pants' stuff before this AT ALL, but for some reason this play just screams town. I'm willing to drop the other stuff for now.

Tree does vote Pants immediately after this, which seems kind of kneejerk. He does say "ns is obvtown" after 92 where he was still calling ns scum in 63. Pants brings this up at least. tree actually dodges his question completely though.

"You speak as if I should be a rock, incapable of and resistant to change."
"tell me what NS has done to make you flip your position on him"
"Quick question: do you know how to play mafia?"
"yes. which is why when a player at L-2 says he'll self hammer, and dares people to vote for him, I will. its clearly an attempt to get town read by being reckless"
"Well, that's not why."

So... ns' self-hammer threat didn't make him reconsider his read?

I did look back though, and I think I saw something that makes ns town. However, that doesn't mean that tree saw the same thing. Less sure on him now.

Recap: Pants' NS L-1 vote is more likely town, tree question-dodging and easy vote on Pants has earned some suspicion. Bulge still poss-scum, Bins is an odd-read, NS is poss-town.

p5:

The tree page.

114 - readslist to note in case tree flips scum. Random note.

I dislike people saying "my RVS vote is staying" (Bins, 121). Grr.


p6:

Tree made a good pun in 130.

I thought for a bit, and Mala's townread on ns (145), even if I find Mala scum, holds true. If she's town, he's town; if she's scum she knows he's town. Unless she's really bad at reading ns, meh, or they're both scum, duh. But I've found him townier on a reread so I'm not worried. This thought struck me earlier and I figured it was a good time to mention it.

Her vote in 146 is iffy. I can find

some

town things coming from tree, but some of it might be me filling in the blanks that tree has left for us.

She waffles on Pants in 148, I'm assuming scum would formulate one read over the course of a post, not go from "this feels slightly townish" to "any town feelings I had on you have been completely destroyed" to "okay, you can be town for now."

recap: [ns, Pants, Mala] town; tree null; maru null; Bins odd; Bulge null-scum

[InflatablePie]

if I was to just stop my reread right here, I'd say we could easily clear [ns, Mala, Pants] from the lynch pool for today, leaving [Maru/Bins/Tree/Bulge].

going with my gut I'd rather lynch Maru/Bins from there, and preferably Maru over Bins.

I'll get back to that starting in the morning, gonna finally work on my FE:Awakening Hard playthrough.

[Bins]

another PROBLEM!

bulge says valid points
but honestly pants' points look way more valid than pies
even tho i'd rank pants scummier looking than pie

why? dont ask me im tired

Think of this as: Pants was winning the argument, but Pie was more town.

[Bins]

We aren't lynching Bulge or me. Thank you.

[InflatablePie]

well, my gut is saying tree is town, because as I said, I'm assuming we're on the same page logic-wise. it's possible we could not be and tree's just being vague-scum but I cant shake my bias. so on paper he's null-scum, by gut he's town/null-town.

so put your vote on Maru. ns is prob-town due to Mala-read and other things, Mala is town because ~reckless-hammer~, Pants is town because he put ns at L-1 incredibly early (despite pushing for me as a scumread shortly prior).

also, he literally said:
"even when you're lynched, you don't leave the game." [you're a tree stump]
"maru, do you think hes town then?"
"no, I think he'd not be so pissed off about his lynch if he were town." [you're scum]

although:

In b4 he repeatedly calls me scum for hammering.

This is a slip right here. She knew I was town.

I get what BBT means here. I don't understand why, as town, you would say 'inb4 he calls me scum for hammering'. I really don't.

But I also don't get why the fuck you would hammer as scum like that either because that's fucking stupid.

[Bins]

If Mala's vote on NS is legit, then what? Like idk about NS.

I think you're town, I think tree is town (hopefully), and I think Bulge is town.


AND MAN MAYBE MALA'S A SMART PLAYER
and if that hammers getting her immediately townread by everyone I'm going to be upset
cause tbh I would have hammered there if I was scum
because I would get townread for it

sitemeta so wifomy~

but seriously if you're townreading her for the hammer you need to give me more