[OLD] Open Setup Ideas and Discussion

[TierShift]

Hmm. If mafia is lynched day 1 and the cops all randomly target someone, it seems almost unwinnable for maf.
However, if town is lynched, the cop shots cannot even confirm a single person.

If you go for the other variant, the game is broken after a maf lynch by targetting the person below you.
After a town lynch the game will probably be a tad better with the alternate version.

[BBmolla]

How do we fix that then? Give Mafia 1-shot mass roleblock if partner is lynched d1?

[ika]

the problem i see with this is that its an easy "target person below you" game

while mafia coudl try to mess it up by visiting someone else, it would quickly be outed by the incorrect results imo.

[TierShift]

How do we fix that then? Give Mafia 1-shot mass roleblock if partner is lynched d1?

That's a very inelegant solution.

I think the setup is just flawed. If scum is lynched, it's town autowin and if town is lynched it's more or less mountainous, which is easily won by scum.

Perhaps let the scum have 3-scum alive visits, which boils down to two visits if scum lynched and one visit if town lynched.

[BBmolla]

the problem i see with this is that its an easy "target person below you" game

while mafia coudl try to mess it up by visiting someone else, it would quickly be outed by the incorrect results imo.

If this was done, mafia target the people targetting them. This will make all results identical and make the plan useless.

Could just make it so if mafia are lynched day 1, they lose, ez solution ez life

[Siveure DtTrikyp]

STart it cop headstart?

[TierShift]

That's good, actually.

And if scum lynched, no more investigations.

[BBmolla]

That aint terrible.

[ika]

STart it cop headstart?

i would allow mafia to also visit to try to screw stuff up (unless thats implied) otherwise i think it just goes target below and POE

[TierShift]

Of course maf can visit, otherwise it's over D1.

[Jingle]

10 VT
1 Mafia Loud Arsonist Primer
1 Mafia Arsonist Igniter
1 Mafia Backup

The backup assumes the role of whichever mafia dies first. The mafia may choose each night either to Prime a player for ignition, or to ignite all primed players, killing them as long as the role who does that action is still alive. A player that is primed for ignition receives a PM at day start telling them they were primed.

[ika]

if its announced they are primed arent they just basicly inst cleared from being maf?

[Jingle]

Yes. They're basically dead players that can keep talking. Hence the no town power. Although, I suppose mafia could counter-claim a prime claim. I don't know why they would though.

[TierShift]

Do maf have a NK on top of that?

[shos]

10v3 mountainous, when someone dies they just lose their vote. I mean, they can still talk, but lynch is at number of VOTES alive/2+1.

Is this balanced?

[TierShift]

Wouldn't wanna play in it, but if that is what jingle is going for, I guess it is.

PL's would serve no function anymore.

[shos]

I meant as an entirely different game.

[JasonWazza]

Fake claim being primed with one of those that are primed (in other words don't prime on a night, this is probably the igniter), proceed to prime everyone, then pop goes everyone when enough are ready because the igniter is a fake innocent.

[Bicephalous Bob]

that's just the equivalent of a no-kill gambit in that setup

I like it

town should probably win if the scum have no way of igniting to prevent horribly drawn-out games, though

10v3 mountainous, when someone dies they just lose their vote. I mean, they can still talk, but lynch is at number of VOTES alive/2+1.

Is this balanced?

that's just mountainous with a treestump nightkill, right?

then no

[Jingle]

Do maf have a NK on top of that?

No nightkill, but lynches would be as normal. It mostly fucks with night kill choices.

Fake claim being primed with one of those that are primed (in other words don't prime on a night, this is probably the igniter), proceed to prime everyone, then pop goes everyone when enough are ready because the igniter is a fake innocent.

^This. This is why I think the setup might be interesting.

[shos]

10v3 mountainous, when someone dies they just lose their vote. I mean, they can still talk, but lynch is at number of VOTES alive/2+1.

Is this balanced?

that's just mountainous with a treestump nightkill, right?

then no

why not?

[TierShift]

10v3 is scumsided. I don't know the actual EV's but I doubt having more town players alive will alter correct lynch rate, in practice.

[Jingle]

^Agreed. I was counting on the one night of missing a kill and the fact that it becomes nightless (or virtually so) when two scum get lynched to make up for that.

Edit: It doesn't work at all as a micro and the possibility of an awful nightless large game makes me not even want to explore that avenue.

[Bicephalous Bob]

it doesn't just become nightless, the primed people can't be detonated anymore

assuming two scum get lynched anywhere during the game, the game can go on for 10 (I think but I can't be bothered to think) days

which is why

town should probably win if the scum have no way of igniting to prevent horribly drawn-out games, though

[Jingle]

Yeah, that's probably fair. I'm just seeing the alternate case of having no primed town and only an arsonist at like 4 people left, if the scumteam had ignited early, where scum could still feasibly win. I think as a player I would want the option to fight it out.