Micro 376: Chosen Mafia - Game Over = Perfect Town Win

[Wickedestjr]

Votecount 2.9:

BlueBloodedToffee - [3] - Josh_B, ZZZX, Guilty Gunsmith
Lying Cat - [1] - awestfie
ZZZX - [1] - Heartless
Josh_B - [1] - BlueBloodedToffee

Not voting - [1] - Lying Cat

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.

Deadline: (expired on 2014-09-10 17:11:03)

[Wickedestjr]

Searching for a replacement for awestfie. She will be replaced unless she posts before I have found a replacement.

[Lying Cat]

Lying Cat

: Let's talk about your Josh read. Given that Flubbernugget was one of Josh's most vocal detractors for a good portion of the day, why is it you seem to think they're teammates?

-TTH

Vocal detractor, yes. Vote, wagon, case? No. Also note that Flubber really only wanted josh lynched

when he was already in danger of being lynched.

And his vote didn't come down on Josh until it was a single vote wagon, AFTER the threshold for compromises. Vanity wagons are a scumtell, but sometimes they're associatives too.

GG's point about TSO is also good. Sure, he might have just died for being obvtown. But he had no solid reads, wasn't pushing any wagons, and assuming GG is town he was the only person drinking my Kool-aid. Surely there was a more threatening target. I mean, Heartless would have been a better shot. And ETL, TSO did not want to lynch you. He said my case was good but that he wouldn't support it on day 1.

Finally, take a look at the BBT/ Flubber exchange at the end of the day. Flubber comes off as frustrated and desperate, but especially given BBT's last post I feel like Flubber was attempting to set him up as today's lynch. There's no way a sane scum would post "I feel incredibly frustrated" after hammering his buddy. I know there's WIFOM and all that, but this is a case of the negatives clearly and heavily outweighing the positives.

I am out of time for now, but I'll be back later to read the last page.

[Josh_B]

Besides what I've already said, BBT also said that there wasn't a bus on D1, yet in order for him to vote me, he has to believe that there was a bus.

Maybe I should have been clearer. I don't think scum bussed on the FN lynch.

WIFOM. But what makes you think that? Bussing is always a possibility that should be considered.

I don't really know what to do. Like, my reads were so far off yesterday (not liking the FN wagon when it was on scum, scum-reading Heartless when they obv town now) that quite frankly I'm a little embarrassed and I don't know where to go. I

really

don't want to re-read this whole game because there was soooo much shit posted on D1. So it kinda puts me back to the drawing board.

This is great! I can appreciate this. Only... you are scum reading the exact same people as you were DP1, so I'm not buying it.

As I stated earlier, I don't think scum bussed so that left me with awestfie, Josh and Z. I'm still town-reading awestfie (albeit not as strong as my D1 town-read due to her D2 disappearance, but still town) so it's between Z and Josh for me.

Then he would have reevaluated the game according to the information from the flip. Exactly like every other good townie does.

I haven't re-evaluated? I'm pretty sure I'm voting you based on the FN wagon and lynch.

The FN lynch that you never liked, and the FN lynch that you dissolved when it was only me, GG and Heartless on. Good job on dissolving that wagon. I was going to wait for end game to tell you that. But now is probably appropriate to mention it. Others are either dismissing it or not looking at it.

I'd like to see some sort of involvement from awest. on this.

I'm also wiling to bet my life on this. especially if BBT flips chosen.

What does this mean?[/quote]

Part 1. What does awest have to say?

Part 2. If BBT flips town, Lynch JoshB. If BBT flips chosen, quicklynch JoshB. I would even vote myself.

[Josh_B]

Vocal detractor, yes. Vote, wagon, case? No. Also note that Flubber really only wanted josh lynched

when he was already in danger of being lynched.

And his vote didn't come down on Josh until it was a single vote wagon, AFTER the threshold for compromises. Vanity wagons are a scumtell, but sometimes they're associatives too.

I mostly agree with this. There was a lot of talk about people wanting to vote me, but like I said a wagon never really took off. Plus I got a lot of flak over the first semi wagon that was started on me from Flubber which would have never come from a scum buddy.

GG's point about TSO is also good. Sure, he might have just died for being obvtown. But he had no solid reads, wasn't pushing any wagons, and assuming GG is town he was the only person drinking my Kool-aid. Surely there was a more threatening target. I mean, Heartless would have been a better shot. And ETL, TSO did not want to lynch you. He said my case was good but that he wouldn't support it on day 1.

Heartless would have been a way better shot. No one is even suspicious of them. But if I was scum in this game, I would have shot awest. Everyone else in this game seems to think she's town despite last dp's protests. GG would have been a good target too, they seem to be the town leaders, and the Flubbernugget lynch pretty much confirms them as town.

Finally, take a look at the BBT/ Flubber exchange at the end of the day. Flubber comes off as frustrated and desperate, but especially given BBT's last post I feel like Flubber was attempting to set him up as today's lynch. There's no way a sane scum would post "I feel incredibly frustrated" after hammering his buddy. I know there's WIFOM and all that, but this is a case of the negatives clearly and heavily outweighing the positives.

Why wouldn't you be frustrated if you hammered your buddy? My opinion was that flubber didn't even need hammered. He had the most votes so he would have been lynched by plurality. No frustration necessary. The best possible conclusion that I can come up with is that BBT didn't think he was hitting scum. The more reasonable conclusion is that he was bussing his already dead partner when there no way to create a counter wagon- even by plurality.

[Heartless]

conjunction

junction

what's your dysfunction?

[Heartless]

LYING CAT

lyyyyyyinnnnnnnnngggggg cat lying cat lying cat

why can can i knot feel good about you?

tth can't feel goo abuot you either

should i vote you?

[Heartless]

TTH!

i'm watching this really piece of shit movie and i drank too much crapp

i'm so bored and lonely

PLEASE CALL ME BACK

[Guilty Gunsmith]

I was a little drunk last night and reflecting on this game. And by a little drunk I mean pretty damn drunk. Anywho, LC kept popping up in the back of my head. I am actually having a hard time seeing anything mega town from them in hindsight. Dunno. I swear I'll actually put in effort here when Im not feeling exhausted as hell.

[ZZZX]

Part 2. If BBT flips town, Lynch JoshB. If BBT flips chosen, quicklynch JoshB. I would even vote myself.

Vote Josh

This post is so shitty and shows you as scum. I hate posts that flip my scumdar

[Antihero]

I mean, Heartless would have been a better shot.

i guess what i absolutely hate is this^

"lolz guiz, i'll talk about how suboptimal the nightkill was so you know i totes didn't do it hominahominahomina *wink wink*"

tth has qualms, but it's probably because she thinks sthar is a diabolical batman villain genius, so that's pretty hilarious

[BlueBloodedToffee]

This is great! I can appreciate this. Only... you are scum reading the exact same people as you were DP1, so I'm not buying it.

Are you sure? Are you sure I was scum-reading Z yesterday?

The FN lynch that you never liked, and the FN lynch that you dissolved when it was only me, GG and Heartless on. Good job on dissolving that wagon. I was going to wait for end game to tell you that. But now is probably appropriate to mention it. Others are either dismissing it or not looking at it.

Is there a point to this?

[Josh_B]

The FN lynch that you never liked, and the FN lynch that you dissolved when it was only me, GG and Heartless on. Good job on dissolving that wagon. I was going to wait for end game to tell you that. But now is probably appropriate to mention it. Others are either dismissing it or not looking at it.

Is there a point to this?[/quote]

It makes me think that you are scum.

[ZZZX]

The FN lynch that you never liked, and the FN lynch that you dissolved when it was only me, GG and Heartless on. Good job on dissolving that wagon. I was going to wait for end game to tell you that. But now is probably appropriate to mention it. Others are either dismissing it or not looking at it.

Is there a point to this?

It makes me think that you are scum.[/quote]
umm....

[Josh_B]

The point is that BBT diffused a wagon on scum. There was a wagon on scum, and for whatever reason, it was BBT who diffused the wagon. And he attempted to do it not once, but twice. It wasn't until fubbernugget was finally like "I'm a PR" that BBT voted him. With 4 on the lynch so close to deadline, there was no reason to try to whiteknight from the flubber lynch he would have been lynched by plurality. Whiteknighiting behavior is what I see from BBT on the flubber lynch.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

The point is that BBT diffused a wagon on scum. There was a wagon on scum, and for whatever reason, it was BBT who diffused the wagon. And he attempted to do it not once, but twice. It wasn't until fubbernugget was finally like "I'm a PR" that BBT voted him. With 4 on the lynch so close to deadline, there was no reason to try to whiteknight from the flubber lynch he would have been lynched by plurality. Whiteknighiting behavior is what I see from BBT on the flubber lynch.

I see. So there is no way I could possibly be a townie who didn't like the wagon and wanted to stop it? No, you're right, I'm confirmed scum.

I would also like to say at this point that I had no idea that 4 votes would have lynched. If that's the case, why was ETL going crazy about time left? I thought it was 5 (over half) for a lynch.

[Josh_B]

Where did Lying cat go?

BBT do we have to argue all the time? I don't know what ETL was going on about. Maybe you should ask the right person.

[Wickedestjr]

Hostile Intent replaces awestfie. Please welcome him/her!

[Josh_B]

Hooray. Hostile intent. How are you?

[Hostile Intent]

Great! I'm not reading 44 pages; let's just get that the fuck out of the way right now.

[Josh_B]

Great! I'm not reading 44 pages; let's just get that the fuck out of the way right now.

Ok. Then I'll fill you in. On what I think.
I scum read your slot all of DP1 because your predecessor wanted to lynch whoever was the most likely to be vetoed by the town and made a big deal about Lying Cat(Sthar8 and Jingle) sucking at being a hydra.

Now I'm scum reading BBT. He seems to be very pointed that he wants to lynch me. The interactions between him and flubber indicate that he is possible buddy. Also Flubber wanted to lynch me so I'm biased against anyone that wants to lynch the same people flubber did.

Do you want to get on this wagon?

I'm pretty sure both GG and heartless are town. Heartless more so than others. ZZZX is pretty townie too.

I feel like I am kind of waiting on a post from Sthar about a case against me, but that hasn't happened yet and I'm not sure that it's going to.
Unless you are scum, since you aren't going to read the DP, you can either sheep me, heartless or GG.

[Hostile Intent]

How do you feel about one of your townreads voting another one of your townreads?

[Josh_B]

ing another one of your townre

I lol when I get asked this question. I'd tell you exactly how I feel, but I think you already know the answer.

I don't like second guessing myself.

[Hostile Intent]

Fair shake.

So you want me to hammer BBT without having read a single thing? Then you lynch me D3, no?

Its tempting, really.

[Josh_B]

Then I'll point you to specific pages, but then you'll still have to read all 44 pages, because half of it will be out of context.

He's not actually at L-1 right now. ZZZX is voting me because I said I'd 1v1 for a BBT lynch. And apparently he thinks that's scummy.