Mini 1607 - Night in the Asylum (GAME OVER)

[Who]

Why would VCA have been useful had town been lynched?

The mafia would want to lynch the cult or the town. They don't know who's cult and who's town until cult is lynched. Therefore, their votes on a cult wagon should be the same as their votes on a town wagon until the cult gets lynched.

If town was lynched then there could've been cult in there voting town.

However, cult was lynched, and both scum and town want that gone, so it isn't really useful for day 1 cult lynch.

But the cult would want the mafia gone, wouldn't they?

Thus VCA is invalid until one faction is eliminated.

[Flames682]

Why would VCA have been useful had town been lynched?

The mafia would want to lynch the cult or the town. They don't know who's cult and who's town until cult is lynched. Therefore, their votes on a cult wagon should be the same as their votes on a town wagon until the cult gets lynched.

If town was lynched then there could've been cult in there voting town.

However, cult was lynched, and both scum and town want that gone, so it isn't really useful for day 1 cult lynch.

But the cult would want the mafia gone, wouldn't they?

Thus VCA is invalid until one faction is eliminated.

True, but we're talking if TOWN was lynched, not mafia. Doesn't really matter though, today the VCA is useless. Tomorrow it will be helpful now that cult is gone.

[Who]

Why would VCA have been useful had town been lynched?

The mafia would want to lynch the cult or the town. They don't know who's cult and who's town until cult is lynched. Therefore, their votes on a cult wagon should be the same as their votes on a town wagon until the cult gets lynched.

If town was lynched then there could've been cult in there voting town.

However, cult was lynched, and both scum and town want that gone, so it isn't really useful for day 1 cult lynch.

But the cult would want the mafia gone, wouldn't they?

Thus VCA is invalid until one faction is eliminated.

True, but we're talking if TOWN was lynched, not mafia. Doesn't really matter though, today the VCA is useless. Tomorrow it will be helpful now that cult is gone.

But the intent would be the same regardless of the result. Unless you're proposing that the cult knows who the mafia are.

VOTE: Gameplay
Hedges his vote by saying "If Ika's town then this is still good", as if he knew that Ika was not mafia. Furthermore, given the multiball aspect VCA doesn't work given how scum want to lynch scum just like town do.

[Mr_Ree]

Multiball?

[ZZZX]

>Posts one vote of pure RVS

>after 24 hours the day ends and cult leader is ded

Im so gud

ok now anyway its true but it wasnt a lose to get rid of the cult d1. I dont trust cults enough to let it live

[Flames682]

ok now anyway its true but it wasnt a lose to get rid of the cult d1. I dont trust cults enough to let it live

I don't understand the first sentence of this quote.

[gameplay506]

Which idiot did this to me????

[insanity018]

I disagree that VCA is completely useless here. Ika's lynch is similar to lynching town in that mafia know that he was not of their faction and would probably have been happy to fuel a quicklynch on him.

Then again, his proposed role clam really did suck.

Current thoughts

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@vezok- the first question is fine, but why would you care if mafia can be culted? both cult and mafia-if theres mafia in the game- are both scum. why would it matter to draw distinctions between mafia and a third party?

vote Vezok

Liking

Klazam

for this. (The sentiment + Vezokscum interactions)

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Ika's mass claim idea happened in post 54.

Afterwards,

Baezu

posted:

what is making him sheep zzzz in the absence of posts? why no RVS vote? meh

This post sucks

VOTE: klazam

No, this is removing responsibilty from yourself:

Um ye ZZZX I will sheep you just place a vote

The RVS is a stupid compromise for the inability to read people like you would in face-to-face Mafia and should be as short as possible wherever possible so we can actually play the game. Like we're doing now.

So knight, do you still believe we're in RVS?

Completely ignoring that ika situation which had just happened in order to make fairly non-substantial comments. Leaning scum.

VOTE: Baezu

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I am definitely wary of the way Flames (81 ) and Lynx ( 89 ) jumped onto the ika wagon. Nullish for now as I am often paranoid of people who blatantly sheep but will be watching what else they do in the future.

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I am conflicted on

Gameplay

.

On one hand, I kinda liked posts such as (below) as gameplay did seem to be genuinely trying to suss out ika's alignment.

I also want a day 1 mass rolecall

I think lee should start

You are either town retarded or scum retarded. Both ways you are retarded. Now why do you think outing every single role in the game on day one would benefit town more compared to scum?
If it's some genius plan that scum will cc you are wrong. They can just claim VT and be over with it.

At the same time, it was odd how gameplay defended ika as a VI but then followed up with posts like this 97 which felt like he was trying to passively encourage a hammer regardless.

And also:

For now Lynx is town

@Gameplay

, why is Lynx town?
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[gameplay506]

Lynx is town cus I say so. No really I am gonna get to some work in this game later.

I am just gonna say that the vezok fuker vanilarized me.

[gameplay506]

Oh and I like this vote for now:

VOTE: Knight

[gameplay506]

I am just gonna say that if vezok was on the wagon, then the probability of his buddy being on the wagon is really high.

[gameplay506]

Acute cardiac failure resulting from the shock of multiple stab wounds

This is an SK's job. Now we know that there is an SK.

[gameplay506]

Patient experienced vivid hallucinations and displayed evidence of complicated paranoid delusions. Patient often believes he's being kept in a prison camp as a war prisoner, and acts hostilely towards all staff members. Medication showed promise originally, but does not appear to be effective due to a combination of a strong tolerance and a violent refusal to take medication. After this doctor nearly had a finger amputated after receiving a bite from the patient while administering medication, it is recommended that the prisoner only be medicated when his hallucinations lead to behavior that is an immediate threat to asylum personnel. Sedatives are highly recommended before administration of medication.

And from this and the "town shizophrenic" tag I think shos was a town pgo.

[gameplay506]

Actually getting to work.
First the vc:

ika: ZZZX, Klazam, Knight of Cydonia, shos, Flames682, LynxKuroneko, vezokpiraka (7)

From this we know and I think that:
Klazam - conf. town.
Shos - conf. town
Lynx - town.
Vezok - scum.

This leaves ZZZX, Knight and Flames. I will vote only amongt them for now. Gonna iso them a little bit later.
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I like Baezu's post 117. And I basically baezu is semi-conf. town too.
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The argue whether mafia would have voted or wouldn't have is really dumb. I am obviously on the "mafia are on the wagon" side.
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Post 124 from Flames is fluffy and I don't get from it whether he thinks mafia were or weren't on the wagon.
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Um who I never actually voted ika. And I said that the wagon was going to be useful simply because it developed fast as hell and nobody even thougt/hesitated about it.
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Not liking ZZZX
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This makes me feel like insanity is kinda confused on the cult part:

Completely ignoring that ika situation which had just happened in order to make fairly non-substantial comments. Leaning scum.

Ika was cult alone. Thus ignoring the ika situation doesn't make him scum. And also he kinda soft claimed a few posts ago you can go, read his post and unvote him.
I don't hide that I encouraged the wagon. Such a fast and early developed wagon out of RVS is guaranteed to have scum on it.
Overall I like insanity's post.

[gameplay506]

Also whoever thinks I am scum should read my post 133. I received a PM today saying I was turned into a Vanilla Townie and that I didn't have any powers anymore. Which is sad but not bad. My role was already a negative utility.

[LynxKuroneko]

You're emphasizing that, aren't you? What role were you?

[Baezu]

Ok so we have town: ree, lynx, gameplay, klazam, shos, baezu
Scum: vezok
Cult: ika

That leaves zzzx, who, insanity, flames, and knight

Did I miss anyone?

Insanity looks town so I'm going to be voting between who,zzzx, flames and knight

The only thing id like to mention is that gameplay could be making up the vanillarizing thing if he is scum to make us believe that he's town. I don't think that's the case but it should be mentioned in case it becomes relevant later

[gameplay506]

I was town rolestopper. Basically I was really useful while the cult was alive but I become negative when he died because I cant block kills.

[LynxKuroneko]

Useful if you managed to catch the 1 of 12 (if there is indeed 1) cultist. You also could have potentially blocked a Vanillizing, but that's no longer the case. Ironic, isn't it?

[gameplay506]

Useful if you managed to catch the 1 of 12 (if there is indeed 1) cultist. You also could have potentially blocked a Vanillizing, but that's no longer the case. Ironic, isn't it?

Lynx you are trying to act cool but you are plain dumb sorry.

Basically I had the strategy of rolestopping the same person every night. That person would of been a strong townread if mine and by blocking him every night I would of know he is not from the cult. Thus it isn't that useless you see. And don't confuse roleblocking with roleSTOPPING.
Also you are free not to belive me. I don't think someone would cc. And I belive that me and at most 1 more player had the ability to stop culting.

[LynxKuroneko]

And he says I'm plain dumb...

[gameplay506]

Okk lynx

[Mr_Ree]

Where are all these conf towns coming from?

Going to look at the interactions between gameplay and vezo. Betting Game is town but I still want to make sure.

What's with the mention of multiball, Who? Are you referring to two scum groups or mafia + cult?

[Mr_Ree]

@Gameplay: What is your previous experience with Vezok? Why did you react (favorably?) to his vote on you?

[Flames682]

Afterwards,

Baezu

posted:

what is making him sheep zzzz in the absence of posts? why no RVS vote? meh

This post sucks

VOTE: klazam

No, this is removing responsibilty from yourself:

Um ye ZZZX I will sheep you just place a vote

The RVS is a stupid compromise for the inability to read people like you would in face-to-face Mafia and should be as short as possible wherever possible so we can actually play the game. Like we're doing now.

So knight, do you still believe we're in RVS?

Completely ignoring that ika situation which had just happened in order to make fairly non-substantial comments. Leaning scum.

VOTE: Baezu

Good point, there was obviously a fuss about ika and Baezu completely ignored it.

I am definitely wary of the way Flames (81 ) and Lynx ( 89 ) jumped onto the ika wagon. Nullish for now as I am often paranoid of people who blatantly sheep but will be watching what else they do in the future.

You could say it's a sheep, but not really. I voted him because I thought massclaim was a bad idea as well. Everyone else had already pointed that out so there was no need to explain why it was a bad idea like everyone else had.