Mini 1608--Mafia on the Air(Fin)

[5-Off]

Hey four, want to 1v1 me right now? Cus your starting to get me in that mood.

Right now im in a good mood so my posts are not too serious but maybe you can get me motivated to tunnel you...

but anyway:

VOTE: nashville

all i have seen recently was neutral hunting and no scum hunting

pedit: wanna chat you 2 im right here.

So I'll settle for one day to belive in you
Tell me, tell me, tell me lies
Tell me lies
Tell me sweet little lies
(Tell me lies, tell me, tell me lies)

fucking hell, really ika. REALLY.

I am Tammy hunting. I'm trying to figure out her damn alignment. Either let me or get out of my damn way.

Why are you so insistent on tunneling? So that you don't have to analyze anyone or anything else? Or..?

[5-Off]

Ok hi.
The neighborhood thing I am currently agreeing with FT that this isn't the most reliable information. Not saying that there isn't scum in the neighborhood (a size of 4 there's a good chance for it), but considering how the neighbor list is unknown and there very well may be more than just one scum in the neighborhood, I'm not going to pay too much attention to it because I'm not a part of it.

As for scum reads, I am looking at the fonz 5 off and ND.
-Fonz– I totally agree with ft that not voting lissa was bad. Hesitance to vote always is a scum tell to me and the no reasoning on why rubs me in the wrong way. Plus there's really no point to paying attention to post restrictions anyways so I am perturbed why he focused on players who mentioned it.
Fonz needs to answer FT's q when he get's back.
VOTE: the Fonz
-5 off- Read their iso, a bunch of side questions that I've seen no conclusion to, no pushing for anything. 294 is suppose to be a joke right? It feels out of place with the way the rest of your posts feel. What are your reads as of now?
-Nashville dreaming- This one I can't really explain as much, as it's mostly gut feels with the tammy interactions. I know you want to keep secret, but may you please tell me if one of you have played with me before? This would help my read on you, thanks.

Everyone else is looking decent or null so far. I can't agree with the other cases flying around currently.
Flubbers intro is a bit weird agree, but he promised reads so I'm going to hold off for now.

294 was a joke, yes. It's still early yet to make reads (even light ones), in my opinion. If you are going to FOS me for that, I will gladly direct you to places where I've publicly stated that DP1 in mafia is useless and that only gut reads matter. My gut hasn't spoken much yet. I think that the conversation on whether or not FT stole reasoning from whoever that person was is irrelevant. FT is full of himself, he dismisses the analysis of others because they are not-FT. The two people that strike me as odd are Nashville and the guy who quoted the "hydra gimmick" thing, but there's nothing significant there yet. Lissa's looking good so far. I want to hear more from F-16, his hydra seems to kinda suck.

[5-Off]

I'm content to leave Fonz alone for a day because of a thing

Lynches outside the neighborhood isn't happening. Try again

Why? Now that I know it's a large hood, you have a guarantee of 1 scum in 4 people. That's hardly 'must lynch in this group' country

I don't get where you're going with FourTrouble either

-bork

My two cents: The neighborhood shouldn't determine what group of players we lynch in because, as said earlier, we don't know who is in the neighborhood and scum could be lurking.

[gossamer wings]

You suck!

[5-Off]

almost guaranteed to have scum in the 1 of 4, or, in my perspective, 1 of 3 FT being the most likely of the three. Aside the fact, both Lissa and 5-off have been newb-town, mostly from the neighborhood and Lissa's in thread content has been, as well. As far as "gambit" goes, it's unlikely to come from newb-scum.

pedit: yeah, mostly. What about FT do you not get, and what has he even done that's town?

I have 3-4ish years of mafia experience, so while I appreciate the town vibe, you are getting it for the wrong reasons. In fact, I don't usually get read as town when I'm town, so that's odd, but let's ignore that for now. We already established that scum could be lurking in the neighborhood pm and we wouldn't know it. Granted that, why are you so eager to lynch in that group?

[5-Off]

Hood people - how active were MaraCeph and FT in the hood before, say around 11 PM CDT (GMT-5) last night?

-b

If I'm converting timezones correctly, Ceph had 4 posts and FT had 2, maybe 3 if I'm an hour off. Nothing major from FT, and some light analysis from Ceph.

[5-Off]

wow this case on FourTrouble is total shit

QFT.

[5-Off]

Did you take the info from off-5 at face value knowing that he has a tendency for gambiting?

I wasn't sure if he was telling the truth. Why?

Falcon said that he wasn't sure why you were taking him at face value after having just played a game with him where he gambitted and fake-claimed extensively.

My concern is that you took it as face value because you believed he was telling the truth. A couple years ago in Abarat II, MagnaofIllusion fake claimed informed townie and claimed that one of three people were scum. He had just picked three players he particularly didn't like playing with, but one of those slots was actually mafia, and while other people were incredulous because the claim seemed like a lie and too convenient, the scum in that group took it seriously. To him, he was telling the truth because he was, in fact, mafia.

So if you know that 5-off is a fake claimer and gambitter, when he said the mod informed him that there was scum in the neighborhood, taking it as face value could be an indicator of your alignment as I would think you would be more likely to believe he was lying if you didn't know that he was technically telling the truth.

Without being in the neighborhood and seeing how6 the reactions came in, I can't judge how that played out for myself, but it was Falcon's concern regarding it.

~~~~~

In other news: I should actually read the game tonight unless I fall asleep :/

What wasn't mentioned is that in that game, FT was the one person who realized I was BSing with my fake claim. Having played with FT, I think he evaluates anything I say to determine if it could be a gambit before reacting. I could deduce that he's the cop and then gambit claim cop and he'd give me enough rope to get the reactions I need from other players. I don't think a game played a few years ago with players that have no connection to the ones playing this game is relevant.

[5-Off]

Given the lack of support for lynching I have no creativity, gonna see where this goes:

Vote: 5-Off

I guess I started white-knighting you too late, aye?

[5-Off]

Okay, that reasoning makes sense, so long as we agree that I screw with peoples heads regardless of my affiliation. xD

I want this explained.

vote 5-off

I fake-claim, lie, gambit, and manipulate people as all affiliations. As scum my goal is to get into the heads of all other players. As town my goal is to get into the head of the mafia, and as I result I couldn't care less about the rest of the town or how they perceive me. I don't play

with

the town, but rather

against

the mafia.

[Trustworthy]

Did you take the info from off-5 at face value knowing that he has a tendency for gambiting?

I wasn't sure if he was telling the truth. Why?

Falcon said that he wasn't sure why you were taking him at face value after having just played a game with him where he gambitted and fake-claimed extensively.

My concern is that you took it as face value because you believed he was telling the truth. A couple years ago in Abarat II, MagnaofIllusion fake claimed informed townie and claimed that one of three people were scum. He had just picked three players he particularly didn't like playing with, but one of those slots was actually mafia, and while other people were incredulous because the claim seemed like a lie and too convenient, the scum in that group took it seriously. To him, he was telling the truth because he was, in fact, mafia.

So if you know that 5-off is a fake claimer and gambitter, when he said the mod informed him that there was scum in the neighborhood, taking it as face value could be an indicator of your alignment as I would think you would be more likely to believe he was lying if you didn't know that he was technically telling the truth.

Without being in the neighborhood and seeing how6 the reactions came in, I can't judge how that played out for myself, but it was Falcon's concern regarding it.

~~~~~

In other news: I should actually read the game tonight unless I fall asleep :/

What wasn't mentioned is that in that game, FT was the one person who realized I was BSing with my fake claim. Having played with FT, I think he evaluates anything I say to determine if it could be a gambit before reacting. I could deduce that he's the cop and then gambit claim cop and he'd give me enough rope to get the reactions I need from other players. I don't think a game played a few years ago with players that have no connection to the ones playing this game is relevant.

It absolutely is relevant. It goes to mindset. It's not a lesson about particular players, it's a lesson about guilty mindsets. Scum tend to believe things like that because they're scum and when it could be about them they don't often betray the same amount of distrust as a town does in that situation.

[gossamer wings]

Did you take the info from off-5 at face value knowing that he has a tendency for gambiting?

I wasn't sure if he was telling the truth. Why?

Falcon said that he wasn't sure why you were taking him at face value after having just played a game with him where he gambitted and fake-claimed extensively.

My concern is that you took it as face value because you believed he was telling the truth. A couple years ago in Abarat II, MagnaofIllusion fake claimed informed townie and claimed that one of three people were scum. He had just picked three players he particularly didn't like playing with, but one of those slots was actually mafia, and while other people were incredulous because the claim seemed like a lie and too convenient, the scum in that group took it seriously. To him, he was telling the truth because he was, in fact, mafia.

So if you know that 5-off is a fake claimer and gambitter, when he said the mod informed him that there was scum in the neighborhood, taking it as face value could be an indicator of your alignment as I would think you would be more likely to believe he was lying if you didn't know that he was technically telling the truth.

Without being in the neighborhood and seeing how6 the reactions came in, I can't judge how that played out for myself, but it was Falcon's concern regarding it.

~~~~~

In other news: I should actually read the game tonight unless I fall asleep :/

What wasn't mentioned is that in that game, FT was the one person who realized I was BSing with my fake claim. Having played with FT, I think he evaluates anything I say to determine if it could be a gambit before reacting. I could deduce that he's the cop and then gambit claim cop and he'd give me enough rope to get the reactions I need from other players. I don't think a game played a few years ago with players that have no connection to the ones playing this game is relevant.

It absolutely is relevant. It goes to mindset. It's not a lesson about particular players, it's a lesson about guilty mindsets. Scum tend to believe things like that because they're scum and when it could be about them they don't often betray the same amount of distrust as a town does in that situation.

Or me.

[gossamer wings]

Okay, that reasoning makes sense, so long as we agree that I screw with peoples heads regardless of my affiliation. xD

I want this explained.

vote 5-off

I fake-claim, lie, gambit, and manipulate people as all affiliations. As scum my goal is to get into the heads of all other players. As town my goal is to get into the head of the mafia, and as I result I couldn't care less about the rest of the town or how they perceive me. I don't play

with

the town, but rather

against

the mafia.

So you're a terrible mafia player. good to know.

[5-Off]

All caught up. I still don't know how to clear my quotes. If I quote something it will show up, but then when I post and quote something else, everything else I've already quoted also shows up and I have to manually delete it!

[gossamer wings]

VOTE: 5-off

Policy.

[5-Off]

Did you take the info from off-5 at face value knowing that he has a tendency for gambiting?

I wasn't sure if he was telling the truth. Why?

Falcon said that he wasn't sure why you were taking him at face value after having just played a game with him where he gambitted and fake-claimed extensively.

My concern is that you took it as face value because you believed he was telling the truth. A couple years ago in Abarat II, MagnaofIllusion fake claimed informed townie and claimed that one of three people were scum. He had just picked three players he particularly didn't like playing with, but one of those slots was actually mafia, and while other people were incredulous because the claim seemed like a lie and too convenient, the scum in that group took it seriously. To him, he was telling the truth because he was, in fact, mafia.

So if you know that 5-off is a fake claimer and gambitter, when he said the mod informed him that there was scum in the neighborhood, taking it as face value could be an indicator of your alignment as I would think you would be more likely to believe he was lying if you didn't know that he was technically telling the truth.

Without being in the neighborhood and seeing how6 the reactions came in, I can't judge how that played out for myself, but it was Falcon's concern regarding it.

~~~~~

In other news: I should actually read the game tonight unless I fall asleep :/

What wasn't mentioned is that in that game, FT was the one person who realized I was BSing with my fake claim. Having played with FT, I think he evaluates anything I say to determine if it could be a gambit before reacting. I could deduce that he's the cop and then gambit claim cop and he'd give me enough rope to get the reactions I need from other players. I don't think a game played a few years ago with players that have no connection to the ones playing this game is relevant.

It absolutely is relevant. It goes to mindset. It's not a lesson about particular players, it's a lesson about guilty mindsets. Scum tend to believe things like that because they're scum and when it could be about them they don't often betray the same amount of distrust as a town does in that situation.

As I've said, FT's default read on anything I say is "gambit".

[gossamer wings]

That doesn't seem to be his reaction to your "gambit". Or was it? He seems to have taken it at face value which was the whole point to the entire question and conversation.

[5-Off]

That doesn't seem to be his reaction to your "gambit". Or was it? He seems to have taken it at face value which was the whole point to the entire question and conversation.

Reading comprehension, am I right? As I said, when he thinks I'm gambiting he gives me rope. He caught my gambit immediately in the last game we played together but he went along with it.

[Mr_Ree]

Sorry guys, death in the family. I'm going to focus on this when I can but I'm not really feeling the whole mafia thing atm.

If you guys know me, I'm normally better than this but I still need a day or two. Semi V/LA until Sunday-ish unless I need something to bury myself into before then.

[5-Off]

Sorry guys, death in the family. I'm going to focus on this when I can but I'm not really feeling the whole mafia thing atm.

If you guys know me, I'm normally better than this but I still need a day or two. Semi V/LA until Sunday-ish unless I need something to bury myself into before then.

Hey man, I'm sorry to hear that. Take all the time you need.

[Trustworthy]

That doesn't seem to be his reaction to your "gambit". Or was it? He seems to have taken it at face value which was the whole point to the entire question and conversation.

Reading comprehension, am I right? As I said, when he thinks I'm gambiting he gives me rope. He caught my gambit immediately in the last game we played together but he went along with it.

yeah, I'll let falcon deal with you.

[gossamer wings]

That doesn't seem to be his reaction to your "gambit". Or was it? He seems to have taken it at face value which was the whole point to the entire question and conversation.

Reading comprehension, am I right? As I said, when he thinks I'm gambiting he gives me rope. He caught my gambit immediately in the last game we played together but he went along with it.

yeah, I'll let falcon deal with you.

Yeah

[gossamer wings]

Sorry guys, death in the family. I'm going to focus on this when I can but I'm not really feeling the whole mafia thing atm.

If you guys know me, I'm normally better than this but I still need a day or two. Semi V/LA until Sunday-ish unless I need something to bury myself into before then.

*hug*

[5-Off]

That doesn't seem to be his reaction to your "gambit". Or was it? He seems to have taken it at face value which was the whole point to the entire question and conversation.

Reading comprehension, am I right? As I said, when he thinks I'm gambiting he gives me rope. He caught my gambit immediately in the last game we played together but he went along with it.

yeah, I'll let falcon deal with you.

Are you Tammy?

[Trustworthy]

Yes.