Micro 376: Chosen Mafia - Game Over = Perfect Town Win

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I'm pretty annoyed with myself right now.

This posts reads like "Shit, I should seem like I'm remorseful for not having voted this obvscum." but I might be reading that through rose-colored glasses.

Also, am I looking at this right? I breezed through the pages for vote counts and, upon realizing he wasn't going to get T S O lynched, began vote-hopping a lot? Again, glasses, rose-colored, but I don't think its a coincidence that he didn't hammer his partner until he absolutely had to.

Nah, that post reads as 'Wow, how was my read so wrong, that's pretty annoying'. I was also expecting to be quick-lynched today, surprised I've stayed alive this long.

Also, yeah, take those rose-coloured glasses off.

[Hostile Intent]

Read? No, your readS were wrong. You voted almost everybody.

Do you think I'm scum?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Would I be voting you otherwise?

[Wickedestjr]

Spoiler: Votecount 2.12

Votecount 2.12:

BlueBloodedToffee - [2] - Josh_B, Hostile Intent
Josh_B - [2] - BlueBloodedToffee, ZZZX
ZZZX - [1] - Heartless
Lying Cat - [1] - Guilty Gunsmith

Not voting - [1] - Lying Cat

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.

Deadline: (expired on 2014-09-10 17:11:03)

Votecount 2.13:

BlueBloodedToffee - [2] - Josh_B, Hostile Intent
Josh_B - [1] - ZZZX
ZZZX - [1] - Heartless
Lying Cat - [1] - Guilty Gunsmith
Hostile Intent - [1] - BlueBloodedToffee

Not voting - [1] - Lying Cat

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.

Deadline: (expired on 2014-09-10 17:11:03)

[Guilty Gunsmith]

mmmmmmmmmmmmmk

VOTE: BBT

If town, lynch Josh B.

If

he's

town, lynch swifty/hostile slot.

Flubber/BBT or Flubber/Josh B? No idea who they'd veto. Probably someone they've played with before. All of them being pretty much newbies should make that research fairly easy. I'll do that on my lunch break later today.

AP

, please. Let's do this today and if I'm wrong, you can have total control of the vote tomorrow. Buuuuuuut I don't think I'm wrong. With 3 mislynches to spare we're in a good position, so I don't know why we're playing out the deadline/plurality like VCA isn't a thing (I'm looking at you LC, being all shady and not voting. I don't give a shit if you think it's unnecessary, because you're wrong, and it is necessary, and if you're town, then you owe us your transparency, which INCLUDES not hiding your intentions behind your refusal to vote. I don't even give a shit WHO you vote.)

ETL

[Heartless]

I don't think Flubber was bussing. I think he was distancing. The thing is, Flubber wasn't actively trying to get josh lynched. Yesterday you guys called him out for not ever actually explaining his josh read. He just kept... saying that he'd be willing to lynch josh, without ever actually trying to convince anyone to do that. Even when the josh wagon was at it's highest point, flubber just ignored it.

Contrast flubber's behavior wrt the not-notscience slot. And then josh came into today going after low-hanging BBT and scum reading me for... not scumreading that slot?

It looks like textbook distancing to me. He kept his vote off josh because he didn't actually want him lynched; distancing serves the hat trick purposes of countering associatives in case of a flip, opening the door for potential bussing, and giving the partner a plausible reason for being alive late game.

I would agree with this if the "chosen townie" mechanic were not at play.

Idk re: Z. He's usually much more engaged as town,

but I think he'd be pushing for chosen-lynches as scum

. I find josh much more interesting.

How do you know that's not what he's doing right now?

-TTH

[Heartless]

I am pretty damn sure the last scum is in Josh/BBT

but Josh's passive play here is nothing like the town games we had (f.e When we played Marvel Mafia Large)

Yet like one of the scum games we played together

so I find passiveness a scum tell for josh.

What does any of this mean? What "passiveness" are you talking about? Can you give some examples?

-TTH

[Hostile Intent]

Would I be voting you otherwise?

That's the thing I think is really fuckin' weird.

Compared to you guys, sure, my styles a bit flippant and eccentric, but... you said you were town-reading my slot previously. I can't even begin to fathom your mindset here. You don't like that I don't like your not-a-case case of PoE on Josh, so you vote me? Like, what's your vote but a waste right now? You're not generating a case. Fuck, you didn't even give a reason for your vote.

So, yeah. I had to ask if you think I'm scum because I don't, at all, understand your play here.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Would I be voting you otherwise?

That's the thing I think is really fuckin' weird.

Compared to you guys, sure, my styles a bit flippant and eccentric, but... you said you were town-reading my slot previously. I can't even begin to fathom your mindset here. You don't like that I don't like your not-a-case case of PoE on Josh, so you vote me? Like, what's your vote but a waste right now? You're not generating a case. Fuck, you didn't even give a reason for your vote.

So, yeah. I had to ask if you think I'm scum because I don't, at all, understand your play here.

I wasn't even just town-reading your slot either, I was hard-town reading it.

Your entrance into this game was ridiculously scummy. I don't believe you had any idea of what was going on when you joined my wagon.

[Hostile Intent]

So that's enough to vote me, but not enough to produce any sort of reason OR ask anybody else what they think of my slot OR at all push your newly founded scum-read into a wagon in any way. Got it

You gonna lynch me all by yourself, are you?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

So that's enough to vote me, but not enough to produce any sort of reason OR ask anybody else what they think of my slot OR at all push your newly founded scum-read into a wagon in any way. Got it

You gonna lynch me all by yourself, are you?

You haven't been in the game long enough for me to say anything else.

[ZZZX]

I am pretty damn sure the last scum is in Josh/BBT

but Josh's passive play here is nothing like the town games we had (f.e When we played Marvel Mafia Large)

Yet like one of the scum games we played together

so I find passiveness a scum tell for josh.

What does any of this mean? What "passiveness" are you talking about? Can you give some examples?

-TTH

His method of attacking here is "you are scum" and... thats it.

I will quote a few posts of his but after i go to Marvel mafia and show you how his method of attacking as town was

[Josh_B]

Oh yea. I invented a lot of randomness in Marvel. But I already made my case about why I think BBT is scum. It wasn't a hard case to make.
ZZZX I think this long drawn out pause is making you second guess yourself. It' natural. But that over zealousness in marvel is what made you think I was scum in the first place (amiright). I'm trying to slow down.

Self discovery is the epitome of learning- Josh_B
It's something that I've said for a long time, I'm just trying to put that into practice. You saw first hand how I tried to slam my displaced read, and my read of you down everyone's thoughts, and you were both town. That really hurt my pride. i.e. I need to be less aggressive.

[Josh_B]

Heartless, or ZZZX can you please hammer BBT, I know plurality lynching and all, but can we speed the game along?
Lying Cat already said that they aren't going to be any help, or else I'd invite either of them to hammer too.

[Heartless]

It looks like textbook distancing to me. He kept his vote off josh because he didn't actually want him lynched; distancing serves the hat trick purposes of countering associatives in case of a flip, opening the door for potential bussing, and giving the partner a plausible reason for being alive late game.

But you are correct that what I'm seeing as distancing might be a really bad attempt to backseat drive a wagon. AP, Anti, ETL, HI, what are your thoughts on the matter?

yeah, i don't know if flubber exactly fits the newbscum "bus like a fucking psychopath" mold, especially given the mechanic (like TTH said).
his other real push was on swifty. i'm still townreading the swifty slot and interactions look similar.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I don't mind getting hammered.

If I don't get lynched today, I probably get lynched tomorrow anyway.

Town needs to focus elsewhere.

[Heartless]

I don't mind getting hammered.

dude...

i know it, me too

[Heartless]

Heartless, or ZZZX can you please hammer BBT, I know plurality lynching and all, but can we speed the game along?
Lying Cat already said that they aren't going to be any help, or else I'd invite either of them to hammer too.

Not so fast.

There's one thing making me question my read on you and that's the TSO nightkill.

While it's true that TSO was calling BBT scum at the end of the day yesterday, BBT had other notable critics including Antihero and Guilty Gunsmith, who explicitly said that BBT was likely scum if Flubbernugget flipped scum. It seems like either us or GG would be far more logical nightkill choices if BBT were scum, especially given that the linchpin of Anti and ETL's arguments for BBT being scum

was Flubbernugget's scumflip itself.

Other than Flubbernugget and TSO, I don't recall anyone else making serious efforts to push Josh as Day 1 was ending. I think Josh stood more to gain from the TSO kill.

[Josh_B]

I don't want to repeat myself heartless, but I think I've already debunked the ideas that you contemplating...

have you ever managed to get me lynched
the last time you tried it, you just died in the night.

No. But it's fun trying. I really need to go back and see who NK'd my slot in that game. I'm pretty sure that bulba was involved somehow.

I'm not mad at you for it. You never got me lynched either. Maybe you'll be scum sometime and try to get me lynched when I'm town. That will be fun too.

If I wanted TSO dead I would have tried to get him lynched because I enjoy it.

Heartless, go back to..

ok, so BBT is scum...

[Hostile Intent]

WIFOM.

[Josh_B]

You are talking about 1192 as wifom right?

[Hostile Intent]

NKA dives headfirst into that territory, but I was talking about your post. "I would've tried to get him lynched" is 100% bullshit WIFOM and you know that.

[Josh_B]

The truth is out there... but here we sit. Waiting for everyone to second guess themselves. ZZZX, I'm looking at you.

[Lying Cat]

If I wanted TSO dead I would have tried to get him lynched because I enjoy it.

not with me in the game.

NKA dives headfirst into that territory, but I was talking about your post. "I would've tried to get him lynched" is 100% bullshit WIFOM and you know that.

There is less wifom in nka than you think there is, but that's not important right now.

Are you all caught up, HI?


If 60% of my hard townreads ask me to hammer, I will. With protestations, but we're not really going anywhere today.

[Hostile Intent]

Caught up? No, I very much retracted any desire to read 40 pages. I have decent reads without it.