League of Legends (Old)

[Oman]

Support: every other champion in the game except blitzcrank because blitzcrank is terrible

You don't bronze much do you

[Siveure DtTrikyp]

Sure.

If you want to get out of bronze, the best idea is to only play the stuff that works if your enemy sucks.

[Maestro]

Jumping on the list train, from perceived best to worst in role:

TOP: Lulu, Nasus, Hecarim, Aatrox
MID: Kayle, Orianna, Fizz / Yasuo (those last two are hit and miss)
JUNG: Fiddlesticks, Hecarim, Master Yi, Vi
ADC: Jinx, Lucian, Twitch
SUPP: Thresh, Lulu, Karma, Braum, Leona, Morgana, Nami, Zilean

[KaleiÐoscøpe]

If you suck at a certain role, just borrow a champ from another lane though if it's bronze. Never play top? Pick your adc corki. Never play mid? Play your support zyra. That shit will still work in bronze

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

disclaimer: my opinions

I really like this suggestion, and I've been trying to do something like this - though I'll admit I don't always know which champion from my list is right for a situation. Any chance you could take a look at my current list and help me out with figuring out the cases for when to pick what?

my list from best role to worst role

MID (main role): Malzahar, Orianna, Heimerdinger, Syndra, Ziggs, Akali, Rammus (vs. AD melee only)

Okay so since we're both mid mains and I'm somewhat busy, I can do a your mids vs mids for you to generally show you what you should be picking.

HOWEVER

(I can't emphasize this enough) your pick should not only be based on your lane opponent. It also depends on things like your team's front line, their team's front line, how much ap vs ad you have, how much ap vs ad they have, how many people with gap closers do you have, how many do they have, how strong is your team's late game, how strong is your team's early game, their team's early and late game, your team's cc vs their team's cc, etc etc.

For example, personally I would never pick talon into a team with a maokai, because he generally hard counters assassins extremely hard.

This also assumes that you play every one of those champions equally good. But you know yourself best, so adjust accordingly.

First, general trends:
- Syndra is the best lane bully you have in terms of harass and poking.
- Malzhar is best lane bully to deny farm and shove lane, strong late game tank buster. Note that he also does fairly well vs ad champions (by far the best from your list).
- Akali most mobile, easiest to get to backline, best roamer post-6. She's also not someone you generally want to pick VERSUS a particular lane opponent, but rather VERSUS an enemy team as a whole.
- Ziggs best champ to stall to late game (for example lets say your have a ryze top kog bot and they have a very strong mid game, dont try to fight them - tell your team to farm up and you just clear waves).
- Orianna is somewhat of a jack of all trades. But she doesn't really excel at anything necessarily. However she provides some really nice cc and engages if you have something like a zac on your team.
- Heimerdinger is a HIGHLY niche pick, and generally can be replaced with one of your other champions anyway even in the rare situations.
- You really don't need to be playing mid rammus - like ever. Again, Malzhar does fairly well vs AD meeles.

Now for actual mid vs mid. (First it's best champ to pick, second is second best, etc. Again, theoretically assuming you play them all around same level)

Spoiler:

Ahri - Malzhar, Syndra, Orianna
Akali - Malzhar, Syndra
Anivia - Ziggs, Malzhar, Orianna, Syndra
Brand - Syndra, Ziggs
Cassiopeia - Ziggs, Orianna, Syndra
Diana - Malzhar
Fizz - Malzhar, Akali, Heim
Galio - Orianna, Malzhar
Heimerdinger - Syndra, Malzhar, Orianna, Ziggs
Karthus - Malzhar, Syndra, Orianna
Kassadin - Malzhar, Syndra
Katarina - Malzhar, Orianna
Kayle - Orianna, Syndra, Malzhar
LeBlanc - Malzhar, Syndra
Lissandra - Orianna, Syndra
Lux - Syndra
Malzahar - Ziggs (

though really hard to do well against with any of your champion pool

)
Orianna - Malzhar, Syndra, Akali
Ryze - Malzhar
Swain - Syndra, Malzhar
Syndra - Malzhar
Talon - Malzhar
Twisted Fate - Orianna, Syndra
Veigar - Syndra, Malzhar, Akali
Vel'Koz - Malzhar, Orianna
Viktor - Syndra, Malzhar, Orianna
Xerath - Orianna, Ziggs
Yasuo- Malzhar
Zed - Malzhar
Ziggs - Orianna, Syndra, Akali, Malzhar
Zilean - Orianna, Malzhar

[ActionDan]

lists are fun.

MID: Leblanc / Lux / Swain / Nami / Velkoz
TOP: Swain / Lux / Leblanc / Ashe / Veigar / Velkoz
ADC: Sivir / Ashe / Caitlyn / Leblanc
SUPPORT: Nami / Velkoz / Lux / Lulu / Leblanc / Veigar / Ashe
JUNGLE: Nunu

[theelkspeaks]

disclaimer: my opinions

I really like this suggestion, and I've been trying to do something like this - though I'll admit I don't always know which champion from my list is right for a situation. Any chance you could take a look at my current list and help me out with figuring out the cases for when to pick what?

my list from best role to worst role

MID (main role): Malzahar, Orianna, Heimerdinger, Syndra, Ziggs, Akali, Rammus (vs. AD melee only)

Okay so since we're both mid mains and I'm somewhat busy, I can do a your mids vs mids for you to generally show you what you should be picking.

HOWEVER

(I can't emphasize this enough) your pick should not only be based on your lane opponent. It also depends on things like your team's front line, their team's front line, how much ap vs ad you have, how much ap vs ad they have, how many people with gap closers do you have, how many do they have, how strong is your team's late game, how strong is your team's early game, their team's early and late game, your team's cc vs their team's cc, etc etc.

For example, personally I would never pick talon into a team with a maokai, because he generally hard counters assassins extremely hard.

This also assumes that you play every one of those champions equally good. But you know yourself best, so adjust accordingly.

First, general trends:
- Syndra is the best lane bully you have in terms of harass and poking.
- Malzhar is best lane bully to deny farm and shove lane, strong late game tank buster. Note that he also does fairly well vs ad champions (by far the best from your list).
- Akali most mobile, easiest to get to backline, best roamer post-6. She's also not someone you generally want to pick VERSUS a particular lane opponent, but rather VERSUS an enemy team as a whole.
- Ziggs best champ to stall to late game (for example lets say your have a ryze top kog bot and they have a very strong mid game, dont try to fight them - tell your team to farm up and you just clear waves).
- Orianna is somewhat of a jack of all trades. But she doesn't really excel at anything necessarily. However she provides some really nice cc and engages if you have something like a zac on your team.
- Heimerdinger is a HIGHLY niche pick, and generally can be replaced with one of your other champions anyway even in the rare situations.
- You really don't need to be playing mid rammus - like ever. Again, Malzhar does fairly well vs AD meeles.

Now for actual mid vs mid. (First it's best champ to pick, second is second best, etc. Again, theoretically assuming you play them all around same level)

Spoiler:

Ahri - Malzhar, Syndra, Orianna
Akali - Malzhar, Syndra
Anivia - Ziggs, Malzhar, Orianna, Syndra
Brand - Syndra, Ziggs
Cassiopeia - Ziggs, Orianna, Syndra
Diana - Malzhar
Fizz - Malzhar, Akali, Heim
Galio - Orianna, Malzhar
Heimerdinger - Syndra, Malzhar, Orianna, Ziggs
Karthus - Malzhar, Syndra, Orianna
Kassadin - Malzhar, Syndra
Katarina - Malzhar, Orianna
Kayle - Orianna, Syndra, Malzhar
LeBlanc - Malzhar, Syndra
Lissandra - Orianna, Syndra
Lux - Syndra
Malzahar - Ziggs (

though really hard to do well against with any of your champion pool

)
Orianna - Malzhar, Syndra, Akali
Ryze - Malzhar
Swain - Syndra, Malzhar
Syndra - Malzhar
Talon - Malzhar
Twisted Fate - Orianna, Syndra
Veigar - Syndra, Malzhar, Akali
Vel'Koz - Malzhar, Orianna
Viktor - Syndra, Malzhar, Orianna
Xerath - Orianna, Ziggs
Yasuo- Malzhar
Zed - Malzhar
Ziggs - Orianna, Syndra, Akali, Malzhar
Zilean - Orianna, Malzhar

Wow, thanks so much for that - that's some good things to keep in mind! I've found Malzahar tends to get popped a little too easily against Talon and Zed - any tips on those matchups specifically?

[animorpherv1]

Wow, thanks so much for that - that's some good things to keep in mind! I've found Malzahar tends to get popped a little too easily against Talon and Zed - any tips on those matchups specifically?

Play safe. Like really, really safe. Do not let them have a chance to engage on you while you afk shove. Ping MIAs like mad when they're not in lane unless you KNOW they just went back.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Vs Zed if you rush seekers then go liandry's->rylais you really shouldn't have any problem vs him. you might be building malzhar too squishy. reason he does well vs ads and general bursty heroes is his build path allows him to build tanky.

The talon matchup is admittedly very very harder. Talon will give almost every midlaner a lot of trouble, but malzhar is actually one of his closest counters. If you can land some good Qs and either have Es bounce to him or just E him you can deal with him fairly easily because he should always be chucking potions and scared to engage you. Thing is, don't be afraid to go aggro level 1/2 on Talon to establish lane dominance. Talon generally doesn't all in you till level 3.

Edit: Oh right to add to wait Ani said, if they ever DO leave lane, Malzhar actually can take towers pretty quickly compared to other APs. And in fact, Malzhar rarely gives breathing room for opponents to even roam.
Edit 2: Oh lol I spell Malzahar without the other a ;_; Maybe it's because that's the way I pronounce it :p

[Venmar]

I'm on such a fucking tilt right now. I lost 4 games in a row and got demoted, because I had trolls or autistic children in all of them. Sometimes I just want to punch through my monitor and never play this fucking shitty game ever again

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Or y'know, don't call people autistic because that's an actual disease that affects people and is not something to make fun of?

And try to be less toxic because toxicity only makes you lose more games?

Also, if you're not enjoying this game, then you really shouldn't be playing it. Take a break, go get coffee, make a sandwich, play frisbee.

Also, I don't usually look at the league forums, but this was pretty well said (3rd post): http://forums.euw.leagueoflegends.com/b ... p?t=601581

[Venmar]

I'm not a toxic player in general, I actually don't even speak in chat unless people provoke me. It's just sometimes, it's too much, and I have to take a break or take it out on my teammates, which I never like doing or have actually done.

Tilt comes and goes, i'll get over it.

[quadz08]

Also, if you're not enjoying this game, then you really shouldn't be playing it. Take a break, go get coffee, make a sandwich, play frisbee.

that's the best point ever, yep

[theelkspeaks]

Vs Zed if you rush seekers then go liandry's->rylais you really shouldn't have any problem vs him. you might be building malzhar too squishy. reason he does well vs ads and general bursty heroes is his build path allows him to build tanky.

The talon matchup is admittedly very very harder. Talon will give almost every midlaner a lot of trouble, but malzhar is actually one of his closest counters. If you can land some good Qs and either have Es bounce to him or just E him you can deal with him fairly easily because he should always be chucking potions and scared to engage you. Thing is, don't be afraid to go aggro level 1/2 on Talon to establish lane dominance. Talon generally doesn't all in you till level 3.

Edit: Oh right to add to wait Ani said, if they ever DO leave lane, Malzhar actually can take towers pretty quickly compared to other APs. And in fact, Malzhar rarely gives breathing room for opponents to even roam.
Edit 2: Oh lol I spell Malzahar without the other a ;_; Maybe it's because that's the way I pronounce it :p

Rushing seekers is a good idea. Most of the time on Malz I play the Liandry's->Rylai's build, but going for the early Armor before that might help keep me alive. Thanks!

[animorpherv1]

Regarding talon, he get power spikes at level 4 and 6, and is incredibly weak before that. If you can punish him like crazy from levels 1 - 3, you're gold (especially if he doesn't go flask/pots).

[Klazam]

Supp: morgana/leona/braum/blitz
Mid: morgana/ziggs
Jungle: shyvana
Top: ryze
Adc: surrender @ 20

Yeah i have problem

[JasonWazza]

TOP: Teemo/Jayce/Alistar/Thresh
Mid: Teemo/Viktor/Xerath
ADC: Jinx/Trist (i plan to buy and learn vayne soon)
Support: Annie/Janna/Morgana/Thresh
Jungle: Vi/Amumu

Though i tend to be fairly flexible, this is my list for ranked.

EDIT: I'm aware everyone hates teemo, i give no fucks.

[Maestro]

EDIT: I'm aware everyone hates teemo, i give no fucks.

and yet... you wonder why you can't have nice things

[Siveure DtTrikyp]

I hate teemo because nobody I ever play with has the skill or team co-ordination to play him well, so it's a "hope the enemy team screws up somehow" champion.

[Oman]

If you suck at a certain role, just borrow a champ from another lane though if it's bronze. Never play top? Pick your adc corki. Never play mid? Play your support zyra. That shit will still work in bronze

I for one have been doing that and it gets me through mid every time. Considering the number of flex picks on the meta these days, I'd say it goes beyond bronze.


I don't know if anyone cares about my fucking METORIC RISE at the moment, but I think I won 5/6 games tonight and I'm Bronze II 91 LP. OMFG so close. I can feel it tingling my arms.

Silver...it's like...legitimacy. Not being a bronze scrub Have weight in arguments! You guys might listen to me! AHHHHH.


Oh within these games I played Heimer twice, once top and once mid, and I think I'm falling in love with him. Mid vs Fizz was the most fun lane I've had in a long time. Against anything melee or dive heavy, I really like him. Rush Hourglass. GG.

[JasonWazza]

EDIT: I'm aware everyone hates teemo, i give no fucks.

and yet... you wonder why you can't have nice things

I have nice things, like the cotton tail teemo skin

I hate teemo because nobody I ever play with has the skill or team co-ordination to play him well, so it's a "hope the enemy team screws up somehow" champion.

For me his a greatly underestimated champion that has a global taunt and massive kiting ability, that nearly always completely shuts down the enemy laner.

[animorpherv1]

(i plan to buy and learn vayne soon)

As one player to another - don't. You're

not

doublelift/rekkles. By the time you would be able to play vayne to a level above Bronze V, you'll be plat or higher.

[Oman]

If you suck at a certain role, just borrow a champ from another lane though if it's bronze. Never play top? Pick your adc corki. Never play mid? Play your support zyra. That shit will still work in bronze

Now that jinx and tristana are how they are, I don't know if Vanye is a necessary champion to have in the pool.

[Venmar]

Top: Shen, Singed, Maokai
Jungle: Hecarim, Nocturne, Lee Sin, Evelynn, Rengar, Khazix, J4
Mid: Ziggs, Xerath, Syndra, Talon
Support: Braum, Thresh, Leona, Zillean (Plan on getting Nami)
ADC: Corki, Varus, Graves, Lucian

[hiplop]

Top: Wukong/Quinn/Fiora/Pantheon/Mundo
Jungle: Wukong/Warwick/Fiora/Maokai
Mid: Annie/Yasuo/Brand
Adc: Caitlyn/Jinx
Support: Annie/Alistair/Morgana