Mini 1608--Mafia on the Air(Fin)

[FourTrouble]

Showing up once in a while and making a helpful-sounding wall full of analysis that isn't original or insightful.

~ F-16

This, too. Town sometimes do this but by-and-large this is what you see scum do.

[Nashville Dreams]

AK didn't you just finish telling me that our posts make you feel like we are null, but you are saying that you like my posts..?

~M

[Anatole Kuragin]

AK didn't you just finish telling me that our posts make you feel like we are null, but you are saying that you like my posts..?

~M

I told Cutty that I don't have a solid read on you, and I told you that I like your posts.

[gossamer wings]

@FT, yeah, I agree with all your points on Honeybee. I was thinking the same thing about the questions to 5-Off because whatever answer he gives, it doesn't say anything about his alignment here. It is more like she was trying to catch 5-Off in a contradiction about his mafia principles. The word choice is a bit awkward. Don't know if it is because she is a newb or if it is alignment indicative.

~ F-16

[FourTrouble]

Honey Bee is giving me pretty similar vibes to Lissa.

Totally disagree on this. Lissa is very likely town. 919 should clear Lissa for good. I thought that explanation for her position on me was not only genuine but showed that she's reading the game from a town mindset.

[Anatole Kuragin]

Honey Bee is giving me pretty similar vibes to Lissa.

Totally disagree on this. Lissa is very likely town. 919 should clear Lissa for good. I thought that explanation for her position on me was not only genuine but showed that she's reading the game from a town mindset.

Yeah, I'm aware you guys disagree. I'm talking gut reads and Lissa reminds me a lot of Honey Bee.

[5-Off]

FT is likely town. For the record, does FT even play when he's not town on mafiascum? On DDO he flakes as mafia/third party pretty much every game.

Do you have a link to one of those games?

Impossible because what he's saying isn't true. But even if it were, how is that relevant?

FT is likely town. For the record, does FT even play when he's not town on mafiascum? On DDO he flakes as mafia/third party pretty much every game.

Do you have a link to one of those games?

Sure thing.

World's Fair Mafia - He was third party. DP1 (For the reaction of other DDO users, reactions that imply that this is nothing new): http://www.debate.org/forums/games/topic/39613/ and Endgame: http://www.debate.org/forums/games/topic/39705/

Here's a thread where he refused to respond once it was proven that he only plays as town: http://www.debate.org/forums/games/topic/46215/

In the recent Transformers Mafia game he raged at the mod when he got third party and wanted his role changed to third party BP so that he could effectively play as a townie. He was a hydra in that game and the moment his other head started posting, FT never posted again. I can link the DPs if you want, but we don't have an ISO function so it may take a bit more time to look through that one in particular.

[5-Off]

Commentary on 5-Off:

F-16 is pinging heavily on my town radar.

Once he showed up his reasoning was akin to what I remember on DDO, but it's been a long time and his scum game may have gotten better since then. How good is F-16 at scum nowadays?

Tammy started pinging town as well but I dislike her recent interactions with Nashville, especially since I have a scumread on them.

I liked when she threw out her theory on Lissa/Fonz though, mostly because Fonz has been constantly in my head, but I haven't been able to figure out whether he's in my head for good reasons or bad. I'll ISO him tomorrow.

I bolded the part I don't like. The question about F-16's play is terrible. He's taking a popular position but opening the possibility that F-16/Tammy are scum. I also am having trouble buying the thing about liking Tammy because of her "theory on Lissa/Fonz," which makes little sense.

Am I taking a popular stance, or am I simply not being naive? I liked Tammy's theory because it does make sense. Do I think that it is highly likely? Probably not, but I don't see scum motivation for throwing it out there unless she's partners with you or Baboon, but I don't want to make associative reads yet.

]For the record, does FT even play when he's not town on mafiascum?

I don't like this question, either. Again, he's saying I'm town but opening the possibility that I'm scum.

Again, is that what I was saying or is that what you want to hear? If you flake out of all non-town games on DDO, and you flake out of all non-town games on Mafiascum, and you are actively participating in this game, then what is the logical conclusion? You do the math. That question wasn't for me, it was for everyone else.

Baboon might be town, but I think he's more likely to be scum. I could be wrong though.

This repeats the same pattern above -- "X is likely town, but could be scum, and since I don't know how these players play, I could be wrong about everything." There is more emphasis on his uncertainty and what's

possible

rather than finding the scum.

Yeah, I'm starting to get your point. I should blindly lead lynches on players that I know nothing about, especially when I hate DP1's (something that you are well aware of). You would like a naive puppet, wouldn't you?

Cutty was pretty heavily town until he claimed his character, somehow knowing that he was on Caesaro's (I think I got that right) list without being prompted. How did he know that?

This isn't why Cutty claimed his character. There wasn't any indication Cutty knew he was on Csar's list.

Perhaps that's true. I was catching up at 2-3ish in the morning. Mistakes are made.

[Anatole Kuragin]

Before I get involved in any cross-site mudslinging - do you guys have a negative history from this other board that could potentially be impacting your impressions of one another in this game?

[5-Off]

Before I get involved in any cross-site mudslinging - do you guys have a negative history from this other board that could potentially be impacting your impressions of one another in this game?

I don't take in-game conflicts out-of-game. I'm friends with Adam and we specifically signed up for this game at the same time while shooting the shit in a google plus hangout. I recently had a huge conflict with a player known as TUF in Transformers mafia and not only did he invite me to his game, but I invited him to mine. I had a conflict recently with a player in Themeless Mafia and he's still Co-Modding my game and I'm still co-modding his. Read the links, they speak for themselves.

[Anatole Kuragin]

So are you still townreading FT or what?

[5-Off]

For now, yeah. He interprets people's statements to say what he wants to hear, so him being grossly wrong doesn't surprise me. Has that not been established already this DP?

[Nashville Dreams]

5-off

Avvie please.

Last time I'm asking.

~M

[5-Off]

5-off

Avvie please.

Last time I'm asking.

~M

Done.

[gossamer wings]

omg

I almost spit the water I'm not drinking onto my computer screen.

5-off is town!

[5-Off]

omg

I almost spit the water I'm not drinking onto my computer screen.

5-off is town!

Quick, change your avatar!

[Anatole Kuragin]

While I find that hilarious - I don't think we should piss Mala off further.

[FourTrouble]

5-Off is wrong -- I have never replaced out of a game for being scum -- but I don't doubt he believes what he's saying. To anyone who cares:

Re: World Fair -- I told the mod that something came up and I could not play unless the game started after March 21. The mod chose to replace me and start the game instead of waiting until March 21.

Re: Transformers -- I never flaked or stopped posting. I played to my win-condition by making as few enemies as possible and surviving. I won that game as a Survivor.

This is irrelevant to my alignment here but I don't want anyone thinking I only play as town. That's a terrible reason to town-read me. Other than that, 5-Off's point is irrelevant.

[5-Off]

All I'm going to say is that people can read the links for themselves and draw their own conclusions. I don't want to start a flame war (although flame wars with you are ever so satisfying, remember Castle in the Sky DP1?).

[FourTrouble]

F-16, what do you think of 5-Off?

[gossamer wings]

Totally agree with Tammy. I was unsure earlier but he made me laugh so he's town.

~ F-16

[FourTrouble]

That's not a town-tell for him.

[5-Off]

Not that I'm saying it's a town-tell, but are you implying that it is a scum-tell?

[FourTrouble]

No.

[5-Off]

Just checking.