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↑ FourTrouble wrote:Cutty, what're your thoughts on Honey?
Not really buying the language qualifier stuff [e.g. 'I guess'] - I've seen town do this and have done this as town; I remember people calling me scum for stuff like this in HunterXHunter on D1.
Honey Bee is a low activity poster. This game is not an outlier in that regard.
So my answer would be: not someone I feel comfortable lynching today
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Quoting someone's posts and saying you agree with them doesn't prove they are town.- Lissa
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↑ Anatole Kuragin wrote:Quoting someone's posts and saying you agree with them doesn't prove they are town.
I didn't just say I agreed with them. I said I felt that they were good posts and came from a town perspective.- Baboon Pride
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Anatole: how are you ready to lynch me already? You have never directed at me any effort to find out my alignment and now when two people dislike me you suddenly want to jump on? And you ignored my questions and accusations against you completely..
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294 was a joke, yes. It's still early yet to make reads (even light ones), in my opinion. If you are going to FOS me for that, I will gladly direct you to places where I've publicly stated that DP1 in mafia is useless and that only gut reads matter. My gut hasn't spoken much yet. I think that the conversation on whether or not FT stole reasoning from whoever that person was is irrelevant. FT is full of himself, he dismisses the analysis of others because they are not-FT. The two people that strike me as odd are Nashville and the guy who quoted the "hydra gimmick" thing, but there's nothing significant there yet. Lissa's looking good so far. I want to hear more from F-16, his hydra seems to kinda suck.
↑ Honey bee wrote:@ 5-off:
Why is day phase one useless? I get the sense that your posting is bidding your time which now makes sense, but I guess it's strange to me that a person who relies on gut would discount the first day (as people who usually do so rely on vc nk analysis, pr roles too). For reference, my gut is usually active very early before I even really think about the game.
Also, when is the time to start having reads?
My questions towards him are aimed at at figuring out his playstyle, because I am trying to determine if my read on him was actually true or just an extension of how he views the game. Scum like taking less stances and have more interest in throwing speculation and questions on the side lines. 5-off's play resembles that to me, since I couldn't find anything he interpreted from his questions. But since he claims that it's more of his playstyle to not have a strong day 1, I asked for justification so I could know he's not bsing his theory and that it actually has logic and thought to me. And his response is understandable.
↑ 5-Off wrote: He's my problem with DP1s. People then analyze those early reads and tidbits of "analysis" which is terrible for two reasons. First of all, you are taking reads that already had a low chance of being correct and then basing your reads on those reads, multiplying chances of being wrong, and you are creating reasoning that may not be true in order to have more "thorough analysis." I like to think that the mafia wouldn't make errors on DP1 if they were good as any errors would inherently be unforced, and that leads towns that try their damnedest on DP1 to catch scum to shooting themselves in the foot.
The general sense I am getting is that 5-offs is careful in his analysis day 1 because towns tend to blow things out of proportion and it's better to keep your reads more open so that you are not clouded by confirmation bias. So I can understand a low key style and not wanting to spark fire and let scum hide day 1. If he had said something about his gut “needing flips” or he prefers solving by roles, I would continue having a scum read on him (because it would make no sense). But now I'm more comfortable with him, and he's given
Also that's how I speak normally, I just like words like that (I use please a lot actually).
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The reason why it's wrong is because (again) their interests betray their vote. Ak has admitted that he's not the best at day one, but instead of going about figuring out his read on baboon or doubting himself, he keeps it parked on baboon and never gives it a second thought. In other words his thinking and what he's saying doesn't match up.
As for a full reads list, other than Ak and Csareo I don't have any other scum reads. The only person I am comfortable completely ignoring for today's lynch is Four trouble: his aggression and behavior feel natural to me. Otherwise I am not a big fan of town reads, so I have anyone else as null.
Also fixed this because it was bothering me.- Anatole Kuragin
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↑ Anatole Kuragin wrote:I could get behind that lynch. Honey Bee is giving me pretty similar vibes to Lissa.- Anatole Kuragin
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↑ Honey bee wrote:ot a lot of time for mafia too I guess? Please look at my questions to you when you get back. I haven't forgotten you.
My feelings after reading the thread is that the last few pages haven't made me like ak and csareo. Ak I have been perusing their iso and I haven't seen anywhere that they're actively pushing to find someone's alignment or directing their efforts anywhere else. Their vote is parked on baboon and the conviction that he finds about a few meta reads and one post is totally wrong to me. Ak do you have any other scum reads? And how do you feel about fonz's latest posts?
vote: Anatole kuragin
Scumreads - baboon, lissa, honey
fonz is legit- Anatole Kuragin
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If you guys give me one night I think I can prove my innocence. I will need fruit though- Anatole Kuragin
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I'm not going to claim what I can do because a) I'd rather mafia nightkill me than know what my role is and b) you guys wouldn't believe me anyways.
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I'm doing ISO's review atm because I think if I tried reading through 41 pages I might fall asleep.
I'm going to start with the small ISO and then go upwards from there. I'm also going to give a read and try to explain it as long as it's not meta or gut.
Mr_ree:
Verdit: Null
HoneyBee:
I'm actually shocked that she only has 5 posts. Her asking me if we have played together in another game felt town IMO. It's like she's trying to hunt and get a read on players.
Although Honey what as the purpose of quoting 974 ?
Verdict: Gut-town vibe.
Lissa:
After rereading the ISO. I actually like her 557 . The read on Tammy feels genuine. What games did you skim because it's really hard to miss tammy screaming at people saying that she's town. It's just something she does all the time.
Also I do think we have Bamboon-townMara. So I'm just going to sheep the read a little bit. Not a fully a town read, but not a scum read either.
Verdict: Leaning town.
Csearo:
Currently my hydra partner and I are disagreeing on this read. I don't really see why the way Csearo approached his role is scummy. In fact, I have seen this role quite a bit in games, but not where just 'four players' were known. It's true that he could be faking it, but I'm not sure why he would claim in order to try and fake it and be caught in a lie. That feels like too ballsy for scum. The way he was pressuring The Fronz felt town.
Verdict: Leaning town, but my partner doesn't agree >:
(Also I'm just becoming more sleepy as I just read through ISO's so I'm just gonna stop for now~)
Also townreads on Baboon, IHNC, GW, CS is a go~.
I have a feeling that one of those might be wrong though because the place of the pool doesn't feel right so I will keep an openmind when reading their ISO's tomorrow.
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Also I want to point out that AK's soft claims plus his AtE is pinging my radar especially on the last two pages. He seems like he's scum flailing after one vote which really bothers me.
I want to know am I delirious or does anyone else see what I'm seeing with AK...?
Also HB don't bother answering that other question. I figured out in context what it was about.
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This is the point in the game I guess where I raise the yellow flag of 'shit is not gelling internally for me' and I feel like I might be wrong on a lot of my reads but am not sure how/where to reevaluate.
Mara/Ceph - can you unpack why Csareo's thing is particularly scummy? It's had the opposite effect on me and I'm lukewarm on the slot now. Explain the Mala read to the best of your ability.
Mala -Throw out just the most off the cuff reads you can think of and let's talk about them / compare them to that wall I posted a bit ago.looks like you did
Tammy/F-16 - I feel like you're holding cards close to your chest here a bit late in D1. Where are you at?
Ika - where did you go?
HB - If you suspected it was Mala the whole time, why did the fact that it ended up indeed being her make your scumread go away?
I probably have some other shit I want from others; I'll reread a bit.
This game is still too heavily polarized by people taking hard sides on FT vs Baboon. Branch out. Please.
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↑ Nashville Dreams wrote:I'm actually shocked that she only has 5 posts. Her asking me if we have played together in another game felt town IMO. It's like she's trying to hunt and get a read on players.
I metaed her a bit earlier - it looks like she was town vs you scum on her first game on site, so that jibes with what she said about your own meta. That's good at least.
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↑ Anatole Kuragin wrote:If you guys give me one night I think I can prove my innocence. I will need fruit though
↑ Anatole Kuragin wrote:I'm not going to claim what I can do because a) I'd rather mafia nightkill me than know what my role is and b) you guys wouldn't believe me anyways.
But I will say I am a wizard
This is what's bother me a lot.
You are panicking. That's what it's feeling like and that is like flailing in my eyes.
I don't see why these two posts were needed after two votes on you. I really don't.
~M
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