Mini 1603 - Air Combat Mafia - Game Over

[farside22]

Yeah, that sucks anatole, you're right

Is that sarcasm?

let's quit the bitching and vote vezok

Agreed.

[MafiaSSK]

I think it looks pretty fishy how you are doing a complete 180 on your read now that other people agree Csar is scum.

First off, on principle, when people agree with my read and actually vote said read I more often than not flip my vote which is even evident multiple times in this very game (because I generally experience paranoia of believing I'm being manipulated). Second off, when an incorrect associational tell is contigent on multiple people's votes of said player, and their jumps onto the wagon are in poor form (especially MafiaSSK's), I become more paranoid that my read is incorrect and jump off of said player

My vote was in poor form?

[Csareo]

Sorry, I don't have anything meaningful to say today, and have been pretty busy.
Appears to be a steady case on vezok, but opposition coming from the other side.

To be honest, I think the case on me may be scum motivated (weakest one I've ever seen at D2), as a way to protect vezok.

[Csareo]

I may get around to writing the full case tomorrow. Seems like there will be a stalemate until then.
In the meantime, can we please get more more activity into this game?

[T S O]

If we have a vig, shoot SSK, for the love of god.

[farside22]

I still don't see myko point on what makes Matt scum for not voting.
I feel scum would be more the happy to vote and hammer a claim pr. Scum would know the player was town, why hesitate?

[mykonian]

because you could get the same lynch tomorrow. A no lynch is a victory as well.

But as far as I can see, you are already set on not believing it because you keep approaching it from that angle no matter what. There's something else that you don't talk about that makes you not want to vote matt, which is a little annoying.

Apart from anatole and you theres nobody who really wants to speak out about matt, which I guess is to be expected.


To get myself from one tunnel in the other, I do not like TSO's current burst of activity, the singlemindedness of it. I don't think vezok and tso could be on one scumteam. The way things are now, matt could explain his actions as insincere as he wants (which he does), and it simply isn't going to take off. Vezok isn't talking and he's the default as it stands. Can't really be sad about it, but it is worrying me a little. It's going really easily.

[farside22]

because you could get the same lynch tomorrow. A no lynch is a victory as well.

But as far as I can see, you are already set on not believing it because you keep approaching it from that angle no matter what. There's something else that you don't talk about that makes you not want to vote matt, which is a little annoying.

Apart from anatole and you theres nobody who really wants to speak out about matt, which I guess is to be expected.


To get myself from one tunnel in the other, I do not like TSO's current burst of activity, the singlemindedness of it. I don't think vezok and tso could be on one scumteam. The way things are now, matt could explain his actions as insincere as he wants (which he does), and it simply isn't going to take off. Vezok isn't talking and he's the default as it stands. Can't really be sad about it, but it is worrying me a little. It's going really easily.

You talking about the NAR stuff?
I would say it is pretty typical track then bus drive is known. I just don't know if Matt has modded or has that knowledge. I expect you, me, reck, vezo or any person that modded to have an idea about resolution order.
The only thing I think bothers me the most is Matt being pretty casual on the attack. I would expect a more you mad bro attitude. But that's be a personality thing.

Vezo is scum. Come to this side or tell me why he isn't.

[mykonian]

No, I'm talking about where you keep asking the same question but don't bother to respond to the given answers. I get it, you don't want to vote matt. Stop bothering me about it, because you are already set on not being convinced and I can do better things than talk to a brick wall.

[Anatole Kuragin]

Myko, you don't see any merit to the Csar case?

[farside22]

No, I'm talking about where you keep asking the same question but don't bother to respond to the given answers. I get it, you don't want to vote matt. Stop bothering me about it, because you are already set on not being convinced and I can do better things than talk to a brick wall.

Like what?

[farside22]

Myko, you don't see any merit to the Csar case?

Why isn't vezo scum?
Why does his hop on vote not get more notice from you?

[Anatole Kuragin]

Because I don't think he is scummy?

You can't ask "why isn't ___ scum" because the burden of proof is on the claim that he is - and you've provided jack in the way of any incriminating evidence.

[mykonian]

Myko, you don't see any merit to the Csar case?

I did fancy it, no.

No, I'm talking about where you keep asking the same question but don't bother to respond to the given answers. I get it, you don't want to vote matt. Stop bothering me about it, because you are already set on not being convinced and I can do better things than talk to a brick wall.

Like what?

hmm?

[farside22]

Because I don't think he is scummy?

You can't ask "why isn't ___ scum" because the burden of proof is on the claim that he is - and you've provided jack in the way of any incriminating evidence.

So those questions you have asked vezo and prodded him about is not suspicion?

Like this moment:

How about you vote farside and cut the crap.

why'd you tell me to cut the crap if you were just going to capitulate?

What happened after? He did not respond and you didn't chase it. Vezo wants to lynch me, then hops on one point and disapears.
Nice dodge on why you are town reading the spot that was so sure a player is scum he switched at the weakest moment.
Nothing scummy there.


Myko: you stated I was asking the same questions and not responding. I'm asking what questions did I repeat and not respond to the awnser?


Tso: you do owe me more then vezo scum read

[mykonian]

"why are you voting matt (while this play does not make sense as scum)"

[Anatole Kuragin]

farside - vezok kinda bugged me with that but my question was more out of annoyance than because I thought he was contradicting himself in some super scummy way. I don't see any reason to believe he is scum. Aside from that one vote switch, what is your case?

[farside22]

All that said, don't expect big cases from me. I'm a bit tired of the attacks on how I post

[farside22]

"why are you voting matt (while this play does not make sense as scum)"

Never asked you this. ^

farside - vezok kinda bugged me with that but my question was more out of annoyance than because I thought he was contradicting himself in some super scummy way. I don't see any reason to believe he is scum. Aside from that one vote switch, what is your case?

Why is he a town read?
I'm going to keep asking till you give me an answer.

He used made one case that was similar to yours. He made no case or reason on esp. His meta reason point is garbage and he switched votes after telling you to vote me.
Hint: his scum read on me is fake.

[Anatole Kuragin]

there are more townies in this game than scum, so my default assumption is null/town, not scum because that would be idiotic

[mykonian]

"why are you voting matt (while this play does not make sense as scum)"

Never asked you this.

Good for you. Want to talk about stuff? Seems like you are upset about something. Did anything happen?

[mykonian]

I feel opposite of myko in regards to about Matt's lack of vote. Why wouldn't scum vote a claimed pr? It would be easy to do given the late hour and no one would blame him.

I don't get why this is scummy to you.
Can you explain why a no lynch makes Matt scum with a town flip?
Don't give me the no info mumbo jumbo.

I still don't see myko point on what makes Matt scum for not voting.
I feel scum would be more the happy to vote and hammer a claim pr. Scum would know the player was town, why hesitate?

[T S O]

To get myself from one tunnel in the other, I do not like TSO's current burst of activity, the singlemindedness of it. I don't think vezok and tso could be on one scumteam. The way things are now, matt could explain his actions as insincere as he wants (which he does), and it simply isn't going to take off. Vezok isn't talking and he's the default as it stands. Can't really be sad about it, but it is worrying me a little. It's going really easily.

To paraphrase this post:

-Down with activity!
-Tunnelling is bad/scummy, which is why I hardtunnelled TSO d1
-Despite basically no-one actually scumreading vezok or even acknowledging the wagon, it's somehow the "default wagon".

[T S O]

Tso: you do owe me more then vezo scum read

I do?

[farside22]

How about you vote farside and cut the crap.

I'm down with that.

vote csareo

Anatole being certain about something means he is just anatole.

Anatole: I searched and did not see vezo respond to your comment towards his post.


@myko:
Besides sick, stressed at work and frustrated that vezo continues to get by with that vote and another player giving him excuses? Other then that I'm perfectly fine.
Sigh

Give me a day to form my views better.