Mini 1608--Mafia on the Air(Fin)

[Nashville Dreams]

Ugh. Everytime I see AK I think our hydra Mara lol.

[Anatole Kuragin]

VOTE: AK

from what it looks like, ATM though, the two people who are most likely to get lynched is Trouble and AK, though I would much rather have trouble lynched over AK. soft PR seems legit, and if anything, we could just lynch him tomorrow. Trouble on the other hand, is just...

Your vote has no consistency with your explanation, but I guess since you're unwilling to explain your "town reads" the scumreads don't really need to make sense either.

[Anatole Kuragin]

I'm not even sure why you have me as a town read. You are usually paranoid of me before throwing me into the town read list. Unless I'm wrong and you found something you can read me with without having to go paranoid.

@Ak:

This is going to be fruitless to explain to you. Obv you won't see what I'm seeing because you have to argue that I'm wrong. A soft claim is one, but why was the OTT 'I need a night to live' needed? It wasn't.

Scum flailing.

~M

Did you read any of what I said? I need a night to do my action, obviously.

[Nashville Dreams]

Tbf I can see where Mara isn't explaining her town reads. She had such a difficult time explaining them to me in our hydra in a large game. I did the same with my scum reads. So her not being able to super explain isn't that scummy because well I have been there with her.

~M

[Nashville Dreams]

And apparently an item.

Is this not true either?

~m

[Cutty Shark]

Did you read any of what I said? I need a night to do my action, obviously.

Wouldn't you need two nights? A night to get whatever you need, and then a night to do whatever with it that you need to do?

-b

[Anatole Kuragin]

I have no idea how item mechanics work other than I can use them. I don't know when or how they are given away or who has them so i can't really speak to how long it will take.

[Anatole Kuragin]

If I have an item in this night phase I can perform my action and prove I am town.

[Cutty Shark]

Yes but how would it suddenly get there between D1 and N1?

-b

[Anatole Kuragin]

And apparently an item.

Is this not true either?

~m

What do you mean "either"? What else are you claiming I'm lying about here?

[Anatole Kuragin]

Yes but how would it suddenly get there between D1 and N1?

-b

Like I said, I have no idea. Maybe it can't.

[Anatole Kuragin]

I don't know if items are just given away or if the mod gives them or what and I'm going to assume the less the mafia knows about that mechanic the better.

[Nashville Dreams]

And apparently an item.

Is this not true either?

~m

What do you mean "either"? What else are you claiming I'm lying about here?

It's just what you are claiming doesn't make sense.

Does item action things immediate or is there a time delay?

The more you talk about your role the less I'm believing it, but I am going to talk to other head. Likely wont get a response until later.

~M

[Nashville Dreams]

I don't know if items are just given away or if the mod gives them or what and I'm going to assume the less the mafia knows about that mechanic the better.

Best part is you are the one who brought it up..

You fueled the discussion about items with your soft claim.

~M

[Anatole Kuragin]

And apparently an item.

Is this not true either?

~m

What do you mean "either"? What else are you claiming I'm lying about here?

It's just what you are claiming doesn't make sense.

Does item action things immediate or is there a time delay?

The more you talk about your role the less I'm believing it, but I am going to talk to other head. Likely wont get a response until later.

~M

I have a regular night action like any typical power role, except it can only be performed if I am holding an item. As I have said multiple times I know nothing else about items, what they are, who has them, where they come from, the etymology of the word, what natirasha was watching on television when she came up with the idea, or any other aspect of the mechanic.

What part of that doesn't make sense?

[Anatole Kuragin]

I don't know if items are just given away or if the mod gives them or what and I'm going to assume the less the mafia knows about that mechanic the better.

Best part is you are the one who brought it up..

You fueled the discussion about items with your soft claim.

~M

Yeah I was trying to a) avoid lynching me, a power role and b) provide some clarity to this game that's mired in bullshit, cop outs, and weird mechanics.

[Anatole Kuragin]

Why is soft claiming scummy? If I was a doctor would you want me to say "guys I am a doctor" or would you want me to "soft claim" and let the scum try and figure out the rest on their time?

[Nashville Dreams]

Okay.

Taking to other head right now. She thinks that you aren't as scummy as I think you are and that I'm barking up the wrong tree so to speak. Guess ill drop it for now.

~M

[gossamer wings]

I've just lifted weights for an hour, so this post is going to be a hell of a lot nicer than it would have been. You're welcome.

Mala your tone is weird. I've gone back and read games and you still feel weird. I've contemplated that it's an aspect of the hydra as I think that can influence people at times. For instance in board games I had a hard time reading ffery because she sounded more arrogant at times than I associate with her. I kinda decided it wAs the product of hydraing with cabd and cabd said maras more arrogant when she hydras with him and that he just has that effect on people. >_>

Idk what you're referring to with song lyrics. I dont care if you post lyrics. I was also not on your back. I was perfectly fine calling you town and being amused that you were claiming to be so good at reading my tone while calling me not town. I didn't know who you were at that point and I didn't care to know. I would have found it odd if you are sorting me that way as mala I guess I don't know. I don't know what to tell you if you didn't catch that I was amused and not taking it too seriously. The focusing on just me was starting to feel weird though.

What became problematic was other head misrepping my frustration to four trouble and how I felt he was talking to me. I mean at first I even thought that was funny because it was so ludicrous to think I was buddying four trouble, but it turns out the accusation was even more insane. And then that whole heads string of posts and accusations get worse. I never claimed it was a tvt or svt fight and if you actually read my posts, I was calling baboon town with not that strong a case but falcon and I were trying to figure out four troubles alignment. How your other head came to the conclusions she did is baffling and just demonstrates that she is not reading my posts.

Hounding me to name a suspect between them when I'd been upfront with my thoughts was ridiculous. I still don't know what she hoped to achieve and she refuses to answer what the purpose wAs. I don't so much need an answr but I was interested in the response. And then when people not me challenge her buddying accusation, she goes into hiding and refuses to address it. I e asked more than once why she ignored people challenging that accusation and she refuses to answer. (What I find adorable is that after pulling this attitude with me she has the gall to address me as she has today.)

I only started having a problem with your head when you talked about that conversation I had with you about nacho but left it so vague because I know I hadn't scum slipped or did anything remotely how I've caught nacho. It felt like using partial information to validate a scum read on me when I couldn't address it or defend against it. As I ran through who I'd had conversations with about that none of them made sense to come from town and to be sorting me and interacting with me the way that other head had. And no I'm not good at telling heads apart in hydras.

I do think if you're going to be a secret hydra you be a secret hydra. If people figure it out fine, but crumbing it to certain people and then basically taunting someone for not getting it. Trolling is one thing but enough is enough, it's a distraction and is pretty much becoming a distraction. If you can't see that if you want to be a secret hydra you should stay a secret hydra then I do t know what to say. I mean I have secret alts that some people know because they e figured it out.

But if you're town you're other head should back off or not actually I don't have any intention of interacting there again. I'm not scum, I'd love for her to try to explain why I'm scum though because at the very least I'm trying to read you guys. Also if I weren't such a fucking sweetheart I'd respond to the threat of being impolite with bring it but don't be surprised when I can out bitch the best of them. But as I actually care about this game not turning into a shitfest I won't respond so if she wants to continue trying to bait me go ahead babycakes. Have fun! (That was probably passive aggressive)

My earlier point still stands, and I note that once again after being challenged by an accusation she goes into hiding.

And I will say to other head that you can't really bitch about someone's interaction with you when you start things off on the wrong foot. I've learned that lesson in recent games and it's why I've been trying to be less abrasive/condescending in my sorting.

Anyway I feel like I just repeated some of what I've already said but that's where I'm coming from.

[Cutty Shark]

From the point of view from someone who doesn't know your alignment, I would expect a hard claim at L-1 from pretty much anybody.

What you're doing is basically "Don't lynch me I'm a PR" which, while possibly true, has no verification path and therefore isn't nearly useful to us.

The only thing that IS useful is the ancillary thing you've claimed about the item because it's at least concrete.

-b

p-edit: to AK

[Anatole Kuragin]

From the point of view from someone who doesn't know your alignment, I would expect a hard claim at L-1 from pretty much anybody.

What you're doing is basically "Don't lynch me I'm a PR" which, while possibly true, has no verification path and therefore isn't nearly useful to us.

The only thing that IS useful is the ancillary thing you've claimed about the item because it's at least concrete.

-b

p-edit: to AK

I already said I would say more if it was town consensus. It's going to be to the detriment of the town, but to a lesser degree than me being lynched, imo.

[Anatole Kuragin]

Oh shit am I at L-1 right now?

[gossamer wings]

Also Anatole how date you call me the least charming *cry*

[Cutty Shark]

are you?

UNVOTE:

-b

[Anatole Kuragin]

L-2 now. I'll claim everything I know if gossamer thinks it's a good idea - they haven't commented at all on my claim I don't think.