Mini 1603 - Air Combat Mafia - Game Over

[MattP]

If this is just you being anal and NEEDING to know his role because you're curious, or want to play it SUPER safe, you're being counterproductive.

[Anatole Kuragin]

there is likely a third scum and we have no idea who of you, farside, and reck were just mindlessly going along with TSO if he is lying and who is his scumbuddy. it would be a crap shoot in LYLO

[T S O]

All just waiting for the gun
We are tied to the truth
The tie that binds me to you
I'm acting on my words
With all that I have heard
With honesty in mind
You will find
That I'm not the liar
See the truth in my eyes
No, I'm not the liar
See the truth in my eyes

[Anatole Kuragin]

TSO can not have a bigger target on him than he does now. He is by FAR the most powerful claimed role and will be killed for that reason if he is telling the truth

[xRECKONERx]

Anatole, you seemed sure there were three scum earlier.
Why?

15 players - if there are 4 scum we're fucked so I'm being optimistic I guess. 2 would be underpowered unless there's an SK which is not consistent with the night actions.

UNVOTE: SSK

If it's as obvious as you are acting, Reck, what would he lose from a claim?

It's

pretty fucking obvious

what he's claiming based on his belief of Matt's claim, the lack of a kill, and his insistence on voting SSK.

What does the lack of a kill have anything to do with his claim or matt's tracker claim?

Reck?

I'm pretty sure you should think about the following:
1) He targeted SSK (heavily implied).
2) He believes Matt's claim. That means Matt tracking SSK to nowhere matches with TSO's night action.
3) There was no kill. This is also relevant because

SSK went nowhere

.

Piece it together, I'm not doing the work for you.

Although, at this point, I think scum probably HAVE figured it out, they're just playing dumb.

@TSO:

There is SOME validity in the notion that you should claim because scum have probably already worked it out anyway (it's not like you're being subtle). I'll leave that choice up to you, but it may help us parse things easier if you claim now. There's the chance scum kill Matt and not you tonight.

[xRECKONERx]

TSO can not have a bigger target on him than he does now. He is by FAR the most powerful claimed role and will be killed for that reason if he is telling the truth

Pretty false imo

[MattP]

there is likely a third scum and we have no idea who of you, farside, and reck were just mindlessly going along with TSO if he is lying and who is his scumbuddy. it would be a crap shoot in LYLO

It literally doesn't make sense for TSO to be scum and fakeclaim this and not send in a NK, considering there not being a NK tonight gave us an extra lynch

[MattP]

As in, the ONLY way TSO is scum is if he intentionally didn't send in a NK. That would be moronic because that wouldve given us an extra lynch anyway and then after we mislynched SSK we would just lynch him tomorrow.

AKA, TSO is OBVIOUSLY town

[Csareo]

Because TSO fucked up and you're covering his ass now.
I literally, can not fathom another explanation for this ignorance.

[Anatole Kuragin]

I will be happy to full claim idiot regardless of how this game goes, ftr.

I still want to hear from SSK before I do anything and I don't see what it could hurt

[T S O]

If I am scum:

By fakeclaiming, my team didn't kill last night, which makes us a kill down, and we get a mislynch we'd probably get anyway today, and we lose me tomorrow.
By not fakeclaiming, my team gets an extra kill and a far higher chance of me staying alive.

How does this not make sense?

[T S O]

DO YOU REALLY THINK MATT IS HARDCOVERING FOR ME WITH THIS RETARDED GAMBIT

WHEN IF WE WERE A SCUMTEAM WE HAVE TAKEN A FUCKING SHIT ON YOU ALL GAME AND WOULD EASILY DO SO TODAY AND IN LYLO ANYWAY

[Csareo]

That conclusion was reached with a broken premise.
And don't talk like you are scum, as it makes me wonder if YOU ARE scum.

[Anatole Kuragin]

Why can't you use logic instead of just acting like an obnoxious insulting shit every time I almost want to agree with you TSO?

[Csareo]

TSO, I think you are scum who made an amatuer move, and mattp is covering your ass. That is all there is to say.
Obviously you and mattp will keep denying it. Hopefully town will see through the scumminess, but that is yet to be discovered.

[Anatole Kuragin]

The scariest part of all this is Csareo is making sense. I think this could be a scumtell.

[Csareo]

And let's all calm down. Yeah, it's okay to swear, but if you're genuinely getting angry over a game, then your a bad sportsman.
Which is the thing. I think your "rages" are astoundingly fake.

[Csareo]

*you're

[MattP]

The scariest part of all this is Csareo is making sense. I think this could be a scumtell.

No he's not, because his logic does not corroborate with exactly what I just said about the no kill / both of us outing ourselves

[T S O]

Why can't you use logic instead of just acting like an obnoxious insulting shit every time I almost want to agree with you TSO?

I have used logic. It hasn't worked.

You shouldn't be judging my claim on your opinion of my niceness, by the way.

[MattP]

Anatole, take out a piece of paper and make a logic flowchart on it and you'll see that it does not make sense at all for TSO and I to be scum

[Csareo]

A no kill can be explained by millions of possibilities.
I'm not going to blindly speculate that yours is the only one.
NTM your defense relies on it being the only one.

[T S O]

TSO, I think you are scum who made an amatuer move, and mattp is covering your ass. That is all there is to say.
Obviously you and mattp will keep denying it. Hopefully town will see through the scumminess, but that is yet to be discovered.

I'm scum who made an amateur move?

My last scumgame was #1601, where I was hard townread by literally everyone, bar no-one.

You fucking saw that game, you know my scumgame is decent - why are you trying to imply I made an "amateur mistake" when I so obviously didn't?

[xRECKONERx]

@TSO

: There is SOME validity in the notion that you should claim because scum have probably already worked it out anyway (it's not like you're being subtle). I'll leave that choice up to you, but it may help us parse things easier if you claim now. There's the chance scum kill Matt and not you tonight.

[Anatole Kuragin]

Dude, Matt. I understand that you guys think this shit is all very clear and obvious or are at least claiming to.

I am not deliberately being obtuse or lying when I say I really don't get the claim. I don't care for now. I want to wait until SSK shows up before I vote anybody and I think everyone should do the same.