Mini 1603 - Air Combat Mafia - Game Over

[T S O]

Go on then, explain how No Kill could possibly happen.

[xRECKONERx]

Like, people can't be this dumb, they have to be purposefully obtuse. His claim only works out to like one likely or possible role.

[Anatole Kuragin]

Why can't you use logic instead of just acting like an obnoxious insulting shit every time I almost want to agree with you TSO?

I have used logic. It hasn't worked.

You shouldn't be judging my claim on your opinion of my niceness, by the way.

I'm not, but I also want you to die for acting so obnoxious all game. As you can see I am not indulging that desire by voting you right now.

[T S O]

@TSO

: There is SOME validity in the notion that you should claim because scum have probably already worked it out anyway (it's not like you're being subtle). I'll leave that choice up to you, but it may help us parse things easier if you claim now. There's the chance scum kill Matt and not you tonight.

Nah, on the off chance Csareo/someone else who's bad at theory is the remaining scumteam.

Dude, Matt. I understand that you guys think this shit is all very clear and obvious or are at least claiming to.

I am not deliberately being obtuse or lying when I say I really don't get the claim. I don't care for now. I want to wait until SSK shows up before I vote anybody and I think everyone should do the same.

What possible action could SSK claim?

[Csareo]

You might not be scum. You could just be ignorant.
What's for sure, is that TSO soft claimed a PR, and refuses to elaborate on what it is.
Yet he wants us to blindly kill mafiassk, on D3, based solely on lurking.

Is that a reason to claim, or does the fact he's going to be NK'd if he's town make more sense to you?

[xRECKONERx]

I am not deliberately being obtuse or lying when I say I really don't get the claim. I don't care for now. I want to wait until SSK shows up before I vote anybody and I think everyone should do the same.

I'm pretty sure you should think about the following:
1) He targeted SSK (heavily implied).
2) He believes Matt's claim. That means Matt tracking SSK to nowhere matches with TSO's night action.
3) There was no kill. This is also relevant because SSK went nowhere.

GEEEEE UH WHAT COULD TARGET SSK, STOP A KILL, AND ALSO WORK WITH MATT TRACKING SSK GOING NOWHERE

[MattP]

Like, people can't be this dumb, they have to be purposefully obtuse. His claim only works out to like one likely or possible role.

Technically two standard roles, but they both do the same think that would cause a no kill

[Anatole Kuragin]

Like, people can't be this dumb, they have to be purposefully obtuse. His claim only works out to like one likely or possible role.

Exactly, so why wouldn't he claim it?

[Csareo]

A no kill can happen by----------- a goon not choosing to kill anyone.

[T S O]

me being "obnoxious all game" has to do with a huge amount of bad play from some people, mainly myko, whose ridiculous tunnel on me has covered him doing fucking nothing else.

[T S O]

A no kill can happen by----------- a goon not choosing to kill anyone.

ARE YOU READING WHAT I AM POSTING

MY POST A PAGE AGO DETAILED HOW THIS MAKES NO SENSE, 0 SENSE, NONE ZILCH NADA

WHAT ARE YOU DOING

[MattP]

A no kill can happen by----------- a goon not choosing to kill anyone.

Holy shit, and I just explained rationally why that would not corroborate with TSO being scum

[MattP]

Just say what you are TSO

[xRECKONERx]

a goon not choosing to kill anyone.

Sure, this could possibly be a gambit, but then it would LITERALLY have to be Matt, SSK, and TSO planning out this stupid gambit together and there's your scumteam.

Either way, SSK is scum.

[T S O]

If I am scum:

By fakeclaiming, my team didn't kill last night, which makes us a kill down, and we get a mislynch we'd probably get anyway today, and we lose me tomorrow.
By not fakeclaiming, my team gets an extra kill and a far higher chance of me staying alive.

How does this not make sense?

If I am scum:

By fakeclaiming, my team didn't kill last night, which makes us a kill down, and we get a mislynch we'd probably get anyway today, and we lose me tomorrow.
By not fakeclaiming, my team gets an extra kill and a far higher chance of me staying alive.

How does this not make sense?

If I am scum:

By fakeclaiming, my team didn't kill last night, which makes us a kill down, and we get a mislynch we'd probably get anyway today, and we lose me tomorrow.
By not fakeclaiming, my team gets an extra kill and a far higher chance of me staying alive.

How does this not make sense?

If I am scum:

By fakeclaiming, my team didn't kill last night, which makes us a kill down, and we get a mislynch we'd probably get anyway today, and we lose me tomorrow.
By not fakeclaiming, my team gets an extra kill and a far higher chance of me staying alive.

How does this not make sense?

If I am scum:

By fakeclaiming, my team didn't kill last night, which makes us a kill down, and we get a mislynch we'd probably get anyway today, and we lose me tomorrow.
By not fakeclaiming, my team gets an extra kill and a far higher chance of me staying alive.

How does this not make sense?

[Csareo]

It has nothing to do with TSO being scummy or not.
What matters is that he made a very suspicious claim, that can reveal magnitudes of information.
Are you, or are you not, a role cop?

[T S O]

Just say what you are TSO

But why reward this idiotic dumbfuckery?

[MattP]

TSO is EITHER a roleblocker OR a jailkeeper

He doesn't need to claim beyond that

[MattP]

I didn't track MafiaSSK going anywhere because he was roleblocked by TSO

[xRECKONERx]

CSAREO. STOP and LISTEN FOR A SECOND.

If this is all a fakeclaim then TSO/SSK/MATT HAVE TO BE SCUM TOGETHER.

[xRECKONERx]

TSO is EITHER a roleblocker OR a jailkeeper

He doesn't need to claim beyond that

Okay well there we go.

[Csareo]

I don't know why a kill didn't happen. Frankly, it doesn't matter, as you claiming is vital even if I were to be town reading you.
My guess, is that mafia thought an ssk lynch was more acheivable if all players were left alive.
Not killing a player isn't very special, and is done a lot to confuse town.

Leaving players alive is sometimes better than killing them. I myself, was never a fan of night killing. Several times outright refusing to do it.

[MattP]

This makes TSO believe I was town because if I were scum with MafiaSSK I would have NEVER faked a follow on MafiaSSK when I was couldn't be sure whether he was RBd and went nowhere, or whether his target was protected.

[T S O]

and clearly after sowing the seeds of discord very well we've all piled in on this massive gambit which link us all together because ??? profit!

[Csareo]

A roleblocker wouldn't confscum.
If he is a roleblocker, that's a mafia role.
http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Roleblocker